Hillary Clinton

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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doublejj said:
Trumps gonna kill us all first...
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Trump is terrible, no doubt about that. Worse than W. in my opinion. The worst president in my lifetime hands down.

But that doesn't change the fact that corporate Democrats are no different than corporate Republicans when it comes to regulating the financial industry or enacting progressive economic policy
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
ok, so when you say "economics", which encompasses a shit-ton of everything, what you really mean is just one, single specific issue on which you are laser focused like some sort of cult member.

got it.
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So what's wrong with specific goals?

You got a better one?
 
UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
So what's wrong with specific goals?

You got a better one?
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how about not calling the whole of american economic issues "glass-steagall"?

how do you think a vote on minimum wage in the house would go? 233-186 again, with every democrat for and every republican against?

then after the vote padaraper can say "look, dems and repubs are exactly the same!"

you far left cult members are retards.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
how about not calling the whole of american economic issues "glass-steagall"?

how do you think a vote on minimum wage in the house would go? 233-186 again, with every democrat for and every republican against?

then after the vote padaraper can say "look, dems and repubs are exactly the same!"

you far left cult members are retards.
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And your name calling just makes you another spittle spewing polemic.

Look, we have to start somewhere. Civility is as good a place as any. You and I aren't even that far apart ideologically.

Calm down, already.
 
Drowning-Man

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ttystikk said:
And your name calling just makes you another spittle spewing polemic.

Look, we have to start somewhere. Civility is as good a place as any. You and I aren't even that far apart ideologically.

Calm down, already.
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Yer fucking awsome. Just cut out probing anusus and mutilating cattle and youd be perfect.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
ok, so when you say "economics", which encompasses a shit-ton of everything, what you really mean is just one, single specific issue on which you are laser focused like some sort of cult member.

got it.
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The economic issue encompases a whole host of regulations that the 2008 crash highlighted, as well as the historical precedent set by the Great Depression in 1929..

The Glass-Steagall Act, enacted in 1933 as a direct result of the Great Depression ensured the separation of investment and commercial banking in order to prevent something like that from happening again.. It worked as designed until its repeal in 1999 under the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act. Soon after, the 2007-08 collapse happened as a direct result of Clinton deregulating the financial industry.


So, can you explain why a Democratic president would sign the official repeal of the Glass-Steagall act into law?
 
Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
you far left cult members are retards.
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To clarify this

I hope you understand, you are what conservatives call "the far left" when it comes to social issues

I'm probably more like what conservatives refer to "the far left" as on economic issues, admittedly, and proudly, because I believe in uncertain, unimproving, downtrodden economies, the best way forward is giving those that spend the most the means to spend until capitalistic factors can again momentarily reverse the economic situation to benefit the most of us who put into the system.


So in other words, you represent the worst of conservative criticisms about the left, I represent the best of conservative praisals of the left. That means we can work together on the important issues at hand instead of the wedge issues that perpetually and actively divide us. I can recognize and acknowledge the importance of civil rights while maintaining the importance, as well as the influence of civil economics. Civil economics is just as important as civil rights, and indeed, civil economics, facilitates those rights.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
To clarify this

I hope you understand, you are what conservatives call "the far left" when it comes to social issues

I'm probably more like what conservatives refer to "the far left" as on economic issues, admittedly, and proudly, because I believe in uncertain, unimproving, downtrodden economies, the best way forward is giving those that spend the most the means to spend until capitalistic factors can again momentarily reverse the economic situation to benefit the most of us who put into the system.


So in other words, you represent the worst of conservative criticisms about the left, I represent the best of conservative praisals of the left. That means we can work together on the important issues at hand instead of the wedge issues that perpetually and actively divide us. I can recognize and acknowledge the importance of civil rights while maintaining the importance, as well as the influence of civil economics. Civil economics is just as important as civil rights, and indeed, civil economics, facilitates those rights.
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Nah, that's too much work.

He just wants to point at people and call them names, like that's going to make any difference.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
The economic issue encompases a whole host of regulations that the 2008 crash highlighted, as well as the historical precedent set by the Great Depression in 1929..

The Glass-Steagall Act, enacted in 1933 as a direct result of the Great Depression ensured the separation of investment and commercial banking in order to prevent something like that from happening again.. It worked as designed until its repeal in 1999 under the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act. Soon after, the 2007-08 collapse happened as a direct result of Clinton deregulating the financial industry.


So, can you explain why a Democratic president would sign the official repeal of the Glass-Steagall act into law?
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... Because the collapse won't happen until the NEXT guy is in office.
 
UncleBuck

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ttystikk said:
name calling
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damn right i'm gonna call names when you idiots spout off falsehood after falsehood.

hillary won the working class against trump easily. she won the working class at an even higher margin against bernie.

and economics > glass steagall.

also, democrats =/= republicans.

stop being idiots and retards and i will stop calling you idiots and retards.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
And your name calling just makes you another spittle spewing polemic.

Look, we have to start somewhere. Civility is as good a place as any. You and I aren't even that far apart ideologically.

Calm down, already.
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He made some good points. Why don't you address them?
Padawanbater2 said:
To clarify this

I hope you understand, you are what conservatives call "the far left" when it comes to social issues

I'm probably more like what conservatives refer to "the far left" as on economic issues, admittedly, and proudly, because I believe in uncertain, unimproving, downtrodden economies, the best way forward is giving those that spend the most the means to spend until capitalistic factors can again momentarily reverse the economic situation to benefit the most of us who put into the system.


So in other words, you represent the worst of conservative criticisms about the left, I represent the best of conservative praisals of the left. That means we can work together on the important issues at hand instead of the wedge issues that perpetually and actively divide us. I can recognize and acknowledge the importance of civil rights while maintaining the importance, as well as the influence of civil economics. Civil economics is just as important as civil rights, and indeed, civil economics, facilitates those rights.
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Buck pointed out that you and tty continue to spew right wing propaganda and embrace this idea that republicans and democrats are the same. It's completely understandable that Buck would call you two cult followers.

cult
kəlt/
noun
  1. a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
To be religious one must first accept as true something on faith alone. You venerate Sanders and hang on to his every word. You both have faith in the idea that the majority in this country support socially progressive programs such as universal healthcare. Facts recorded in voting results say otherwise. You also go on and on about "corrupt Democratic Party elite" but have yet to reply to requests that you name those elites and specify what they did that was corrupt. Since you can't, refute the facts and continue to believe what the facts disprove then all I can conclude is you believe in Sanders' word without facts. So, yeah, you are cult followers, sort of.

I think Buck is being nice.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
The economic issue encompases a whole host of regulations that the 2008 crash highlighted, as well as the historical precedent set by the Great Depression in 1929..

The Glass-Steagall Act, enacted in 1933 as a direct result of the Great Depression ensured the separation of investment and commercial banking in order to prevent something like that from happening again.. It worked as designed until its repeal in 1999 under the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act. Soon after, the 2007-08 collapse happened as a direct result of Clinton deregulating the financial industry.


So, can you explain why a Democratic president would sign the official repeal of the Glass-Steagall act into law?
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/19/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-glass-steagall-had-nothing-do-financi/
"There's not a single, solitary example that" signing the bill to end Glass-Steagall "had anything to do with the financial crash."


Our ruling

Clinton said, "There's not a single, solitary example that" signing the bill to end Glass-Steagall "had anything to do with the financial crash."

By focusing on the bill that officially repealed Glass-Steagall, Clinton's statement ignores the fact that the demise of Glass-Steagall took place over decades, amid a deregulatory push in which the Clinton administration played a role. By the time the law to repeal hit his desk, Glass-Steagall had been whittled down so much that it wasn’t very meaningful. It's a matter of debate how much of a role the overall demise of Glass-Steagall had in causing the financial crisis, but we couldn't find any economists who argue that the regulation was the sole linchpin keeping the financial system stable until its official repeal in 1999. Overall, we rate Clinton’s claim Mostly True.
 
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