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So arresting his lawyer, his lawyer's lawyer, his right hand man, his LEFT hand man, and a bunch of his cronies in between, yet NOT HIM, is all part of some grand plan to "git em"?

Like i said many a time. . ... Doubt it. We'll see. I just have near-zero faith in the system at this point.

I'm old enough to remember the Watergate break in before the 1972 election. Talk about weaponizing the deep state. Nixon had CIA operatives burglarize the DNC's office at the Watergate Hotel. They were caught with bugging devices.

McGovern and the Democrats tried to make it an issue in the 72 election but to no avail. It wasn't until two years later did Nixon face consequences and that wasn't as a result of any legal process. The GOP in the Senate abandoned Nixon so he resigned in August of 1974.

I want to believe that Trump will face justice eventually and that the process is taking about the same amount of time as Nixon's. I'm trying to be patient.

Trump isn't Nixon, though. Trump will burn down the government to protect himself. Nixon respected the institutions enough to avoid that. Trump and the current GOP were elected on a promise to vandalize our institutions so it's likely to be a rougher ride to finally get rid of Trump compared to Nixon.

Highway61 said:

I'm old enough to remember the Watergate break in before the 1972 election. Talk about weaponizing the deep state. Nixon had CIA operatives burglarize the DNC's office at the Watergate Hotel. They were caught with bugging devices.

McGovern and the Democrats tried to make it an issue in the 72 election but to no avail. It wasn't until two years later did Nixon face consequences and that wasn't as a result of any legal process. The GOP in the Senate abandoned Nixon so he resigned in August of 1974.

I want to believe that Trump will face justice eventually and that the process is taking about the same amount of time as Nixon's. I'm trying to be patient.

Trump isn't Nixon, though. Trump will burn down the government to protect himself. Nixon respected the institutions enough to avoid that. Trump and the current GOP were elected on a promise to vandalize our institutions so it's likely to be a rougher ride to finally get rid of Trump compared to Nixon.

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Well said. There used to be an "honor among thieves" even in politics, that is long dead. It's all for one, and that One is donald j trump for some sick reason. I mean. . .. he's not even really that rich anymore why don't Repubs try to recruit more actors, or Richard Branson or something. ..?

PopAndSonGrows said:

So arresting his lawyer, his lawyer's lawyer, his right hand man, his LEFT hand man, and a bunch of his cronies in between, yet NOT HIM, is all part of some grand plan to "git em"?

Like i said many a time. . ... Doubt it. We'll see. I just have near-zero faith in the system at this point.

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His left-hand man just paid close to $1bn to keep his guilty ass off the stand at the Smartmatic trial.

As far as his cronies are concerned, I expect his accomplices in Congress to be indicted as well. Not today, not tomorrow, probably not this year, but it’s as inevitable as an ice sheet.

What I’d like to see, but where my faith in the system does not reach, is to see some of the multibillionaire bankers whose plan this always has been dragged before a judge.

cannabineer said:

What I’d like to see, but where my faith in the system does not reach, is to see some of the multibillionaire bankers whose plan this always has been dragged before a judge.

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Fingers crossed.

cannabineer said:

False equivalence. Ordinary prosecutions follow a known pattern, but this is an unusual prosecution with extremely high stakes. You’d expect it to operate in an unusual manner.

We are seeing sign after sign of progress toward seeing him as defendant in a seditious conspiracy case inter alia. Your bold blithe claim discounts the accumulating indications that this time his usual bag of tricks, seen in full play this last year, will not suffice to keep him out of criminal court.

And when he does appear there, expect the prosecution to present a Taj Mahal of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

So cut it out with the obvious trolling. It’s way too early for you to be calling it.

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it's too early for anyone to be calling it...there is a slim possibility pop may be right, although i highly doubt it.
Smith releasing his reports and making his recommendations will either lead to trump, and many other republicans, being indicted, tried, and convicted, or it will lead to riots nationwide that will make Portland look a preschool tantrum over who took whose juice box.
It would also open the door wide for the republican party to attempt another coup, to install another dictator wannabe, one they have more direct control over, for another try at stealing the power they cannot get legitimately.
It would clarify the divide between have and have not, the disparity between wealth and poverty, in a way that hasn't happened in our lifetimes, a way that would infuriate a lot of people...
I don't see the DOJ being allowed to allow that to happen. Garland has to report to Biden, AG is basically a cabinet position, and i don't see Biden allowing trump to walk away scott free

Highway61 said:

I'm old enough to remember the Watergate break in before the 1972 election. Talk about weaponizing the deep state. Nixon had CIA operatives burglarize the DNC's office at the Watergate Hotel. They were caught with bugging devices.

McGovern and the Democrats tried to make it an issue in the 72 election but to no avail. It wasn't until two years later did Nixon face consequences and that wasn't as a result of any legal process. The GOP in the Senate abandoned Nixon so he resigned in August of 1974.

I want to believe that Trump will face justice eventually and that the process is taking about the same amount of time as Nixon's. I'm trying to be patient.

Trump isn't Nixon, though. Trump will burn down the government to protect himself. Nixon respected the institutions enough to avoid that. Trump and the current GOP were elected on a promise to vandalize our institutions so it's likely to be a rougher ride to finally get rid of Trump compared to Nixon.

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At one time, Republicans cared about our democracy and human rights.



The Church Committee (formally the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities) was a US Senate select committee in 1975 that investigated abuses by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Chaired by Idaho Senator Frank Church (D-ID), the committee was part of a series of investigations into intelligence abuses in 1975, dubbed the "Year of Intelligence", including its House counterpart, the Pike Committee, and the presidential Rockefeller Commission. The committee's efforts led to the establishment of the permanent US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

The most shocking revelations of the committee include Operation MKULTRA involving the drugging and torture of unwitting US citizens as part of human experimentation on mind control;[1][2] COINTELPRO involving the surveillance and infiltration of American political and civil-rights organizations;[3] Family Jewels, a CIA program to covertly assassinate foreign leaders.[4][5][6][7]

It also unearthed Project SHAMROCK in which the major telecommunications companies shared their traffic with the NSA (while officially confirming the existence of this signals intelligence agency to the public for the first time).


A good Republican Democrat from Idaho elected at a time when Idaho's Republicans were still able to read and think and vote for a Democrat.


edit: Text in bold indicate changes made after Roger pointed out that Church was a Democrat.

Fogdog said:

At one time, Republicans cared about our democracy and human rights.

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The Church Committee (formally the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities) was a US Senate select committee in 1975 that investigated abuses by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Chaired by Idaho Senator Frank Church (D-ID), the committee was part of a series of investigations into intelligence abuses in 1975, dubbed the "Year of Intelligence", including its House counterpart, the Pike Committee, and the presidential Rockefeller Commission. The committee's efforts led to the establishment of the permanent US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

The most shocking revelations of the committee include Operation MKULTRA involving the drugging and torture of unwitting US citizens as part of human experimentation on mind control;[1][2] COINTELPRO involving the surveillance and infiltration of American political and civil-rights organizations;[3] Family Jewels, a CIA program to covertly assassinate foreign leaders.[4][5][6][7]

It also unearthed Project SHAMROCK in which the major telecommunications companies shared their traffic with the NSA (while officially confirming the existence of this signals intelligence agency to the public for the first time).


A good Republican elected at a time when Idaho's Republicans were still able to read and think.

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....Church was a democrat wasn't he?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

it's too early for anyone to be calling it...there is a slim possibility pop may be right, although i highly doubt it.
Smith releasing his reports and making his recommendations will either lead to trump, and many other republicans, being indicted, tried, and convicted, or it will lead to riots nationwide that will make Portland look a preschool tantrum over who took whose juice box.
It would also open the door wide for the republican party to attempt another coup, to install another dictator wannabe, one they have more direct control over, for another try at stealing the power they cannot get legitimately.
It would clarify the divide between have and have not, the disparity between wealth and poverty, in a way that hasn't happened in our lifetimes, a way that would infuriate a lot of people...
I don't see the DOJ being allowed to allow that to happen. Garland has to report to Biden, AG is basically a cabinet position, and i don't see Biden allowing trump to walk away scott free

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@PopAndSonGrows just talking from his ass. His is just a know-nothing cynical opinion.

I don't KNOW the DOJ will indict Trump but their actions give good reasons to believe they will. For example, the appointment of Jack Smith and empowering him with 14 prosecutors to work with/for him. Another example is bringing Pence in for an interview with the Grand Jury. Only a know-nothing cynic would say the DOJ would just do that as window dressing.

There is something about Trump that reduces some people to the level of mindless idiots.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

....Church was a democrat wasn't he?

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Yes, he was. I lived in Idaho for almost ten years and Frank Church was given so much respect by Republicans at the time, I thought he was one of them.

But, yes, he was a Democrat. My mistake.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

Now you say this? Now? when it finally is getting close to judgement day?
You think the DOJ put Smith in charge of this to let it go?
I, who have little to nothing good to say about how long this is taking, realize that things take as long as they take. Trump is not untouchable, he's about to be touched very thoroughly...
Sad thing is, he's become irrelevant to me, the only reason i give a flying fuck if he is prosecuted or not is that it will deter future authoritarian narcissists from trying to take over the country with poorly planned idiotic coup attempts.
I'm hoping for a rico case that will take out half of the republicans in the house and many in the senate. That is the real prize in this disgusting box of crackerjacks...

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For the sake for argument....yeah I still think dudes gonna skate by. He might get a fine.

I'm still as unimpressed as I was last year and it hurts the democrat cause to have him running around thumbing his nose at them.

HGCC said:

For the sake for argument....yeah I still think dudes gonna skate by. He might get a fine.

I'm still as unimpressed as I was last year and it hurts the democrat cause to have him running around thumbing his nose at them.

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I hope not. I got 400 quatloos on The Prosecutor.

HGCC said:

For the sake for argument....yeah I still think dudes gonna skate by. He might get a fine.

I'm still as unimpressed as I was last year and it hurts the democrat cause to have him running around thumbing his nose at them.

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They will nail his ass when it counts the most, it is not just Trump who must be kept out of office, it's the GOP in general including DeSantis and the other fascist clowns who would lead or be led by the mob of racist assholes and idiots. Let him run around loose long enough and he will spoil any chances of a replacement arising among them and attack any who do. Maybe give him enough time to register as a bull moose candidate from his cell before pulling the rug from out under them. Donald would make an excellent bull moose and would be like a bull in the republican China shop! Write him in, if he isn't on the ballot in your state and don't vote for those RINO's who stabbed the great leader in the back and were disloyal to King Donald!

No man, thats like when they encouraged democrats to vote Liz Cheney.

Fuck that entire party and the horse the rode in on.


I still don't think a single rich person will go to jail over all this.

HGCC said:

No man, thats like when they encouraged democrats to vote Liz Cheney.

Fuck that entire party and the horse the rode in on.


I still don't think a single rich person will go to jail over all this.

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We won't have too long to wait for the MAL indictments and his trial date for NY is in the middle of the primaries. I am unaware of any special provisions in the constitution or law for Trump or anybody else who is rich. The rich often avoid prison by avoiding accountability, but Epstein didn't and neither did plenty of other rich people who are doing time.

We are over 2 years from J6 and the ordinary useful idiots are still being sentenced or are about to be, so the wheels of justice turn slowly with regular folks too who can't afford defense lawyers and endless filings and appeals of everything. The one thing that has a very fast track is the MAL classified documents cases and those can jail him upon arraignment and when convicted the cuffs go on in court and appeals are made from a cell. Once Jack indicts him for those crimes the timetable belongs to the federal DC judge who will then own Donald's ass until trial and conviction. The evidence is overwhelming, the case simple and Trump has no defense. The trial won't take long, and Trump has been before the courts over this case for many months already and won't need much time to prepare a defense either.

I don't want to see Donald locked up before 2024, it would give Mitch and Rove too much time to put lipstick on the pig, memory hole Donald and clear the field for his replacement as the nominee. I want the GOP split down the middle and Donald running as a bull moose or as the nominee from a prison cell. I want him to take the GOP with him when he goes down in flames.

Fogdog said:

Yes, he was. I lived in Idaho for almost ten years and Frank Church was given so much respect by Republicans at the time, I thought he was one of them.

But, yes, he was a Democrat. My mistake.

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Frank Church–River of No Return Wilderness
At 2.367 million acres (9,580 km2), it is the largest contiguous federally managed wilderness in the United States outside of Alaska.

doublejj said:

Frank Church–River of No Return Wilderness
At 2.367 million acres (9,580 km2), it is the largest contiguous federally managed wilderness in the United States outside of Alaska.

Frank Church–River of No Return Wilderness - Wikipedia

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It's been a while but while I lived there, Idahoans had mixed feelings over that.

Jan. 6 defendant who put foot on desk in Pelosi's office sentenced to 4.5 years in prison

Judge issued warrant for Ammon Bundy more than a month ago. Why hasn’t he been arrested?

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/boise/article275661841.html#storylink=cpy

America is not just down to minority rule, it is down to single racist or lunatic rule! One unelected person can deny the rights of many it would appear, see what bad laws made by bigots can do for you?


Amanda Gorman is ‘gutted’ by school district’s decision to restrict her poem after a parent complained it contained ‘hate messages’

The acclaimed poem written by Amanda Gorman for President Joe Biden’s inauguration was moved from the elementary section of a Miami-Dade County public school after a parent complaint and school review, the district confirmed Tuesday.

A parent of a student at Bob Graham Education Center – a kindergarten through eighth grade school in Miami Lakes – objected to Gorman’s poem “The Hill We Climb,” for which they erroneously listed Oprah Winfrey as the author/publisher, according to documents first obtained by the Florida Freedom to Read Project whose authenticity was confirmed by CNN.

It “is not educational and have (sic) indirectly hate messages,” the complaint said, adding that the poem would “cause confusion and indoctrinate students.”

The same parent made similar complaints about “Love to Langston,” a poetry-based biography of Black poet Langston Hughes; “The ABCs of Black History” and two books about Cuba, complaints obtained by the nonprofit group show.

A materials-review panel at the school declined to remove the books from the school entirely but did decide to move the Gorman poem and two other disputed items to the library’s middle school section, which is for grades six through eight, according to minutes of an April meeting of the committee that were obtained by the nonprofit.

The poem’s removal is the latest consequence of a Florida law that requires the approval of books in classrooms and grants any parent the power to complain about specific works. Under Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican set to run for president, Florida has used this and other “parental rights” laws to ban works on LGBTQ issues, social justice and even math textbooks.
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