Fascism came to town

DIY-HP-LED · May 24, 2023

Maybe if the democrats win enough, things like this will be treated as an opportunity and bait, instead of a problem. Onto the domestic terrorist watch list they go, and their guns are taken away along with the right to possess them. Look at it as a form of auto selection by those you want to target and let them come to you, before the cops visit their house and search it for weapons...

Making threats for political purposes is an act of domestic terrorism and should be treated as such, help them make themselves felons.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661305756149227520

Billy the Mountain · May 24, 2023

Here's her ridiculous complaint.
I'd bet big she's never set foot in a library before the new Florida law

cannabineer · May 24, 2023

Billy the Mountain said:
Here's her ridiculous complaint.
I'd bet big she's never set foot in a library before the new Florida law

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I’d like to know what indirectly hate messages it have.

DIY-HP-LED · May 24, 2023

cannabineer said:
I’d like to know what indirectly hate messages it have.

Ban the book based on this scribbled nonsense? No hearing for the other side? There is apparently no 1st amendment in America, or if there is it is pretty useless. We don't have such a thing in Canada or other liberal democracies, yet we don't do shit like this. Apparently the second comes before the first in America and the rights of authors and publishers count for nothing compared to those of a malicious bigot. Is that supposed to be a signature? How about banning all the textbooks in the school? Who would know who did it and since there is no appeal or process...

cannabineer · May 24, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
Ban the book based on this scribbled nonsense? No hearing for the other side? There is apparently no 1st amendment in America, or if there is it is pretty useless. We don't have such a thing in Canada or other liberal democracies, yet we don't do shit like this. Apparently the second comes before the first in America and the rights of authors and publishers count for nothing compared to those of a malicious bigot. Is that supposed to be a signature? How about banning all the textbooks in the school? Who would know who did it and since there is no appeal or process...

none of which touches the question.

DIY-HP-LED · May 24, 2023

cannabineer said:
none of which touches the question.

There is no answer to the question which is the point.

cannabineer · May 24, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
There is no answer to the question which is the point.

obviously incorrect. That parent had one or more specific passages in mind.

DIY-HP-LED · May 24, 2023

cannabineer said:
obviously incorrect. That parent had one or more specific passages in mind.

They never even read it or any of the other books they banned, apparently just 11 individuals are responsible for 90% of the banned books. Was it a parent or maybe some kid playing a joke, because I could not make out the name or signature of the complainant.

Is there ever any real point to conditioned bigotry and propagandized hate? Do they even have a "side" in the debate? Should the nazi side of the argument be considered when discussing the holocaust? Like maybe they had a point, or Hitler could have been right, or it never really happened? If one side advocates the mass murder of minorities, do they have a point, or should they just be put down without much debate involved or even required?

cannabineer · May 24, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
They never even read it or any of the other books they banned, apparently just 11 individuals are responsible for 90% of the banned books. Was it a parent or maybe some kid playing a joke, because I could not make out the name or signature of the complainant.

Is there ever any real point to conditioned bigotry and propagandized hate? Do they even have a "side" in the debate? Should the nazi side of the argument be considered when discussing the holocaust? Like maybe they had a point, or Hitler could have been right, or it never really happened? If one side advocates the mass murder of minorities, do they have a point, or should they just be put down without much debate involved or even required?

I wonder what specifically upset that parent.

Since the form holds no info, and this one vague protest led to a ban, a lawsuit should be easy to win.

DIY-HP-LED · May 24, 2023

cannabineer said:
I wonder what specifically upset that parent.

The color of the author, the same reason the young black poet at Bidens inaugural was banned. From the writing on the form, they looked barely literate and not readers or deep thinkers. Most books were about black history or by black authors and promoted anti racist ideas and inclusiveness of LBGTQ people.

What got books challenged or banned in 2020? Strong, anti-racist messages aimed at kids or teens.

As recently as 2010, the award-winning teen novel “Looking for Alaska” topped the American Library Association’s list of books most often challenged by parents and community membe…

www.chicagotribune.com

DIY-HP-LED · May 24, 2023

cannabineer said:
I wonder what specifically upset that parent.

Since the form holds no info, and this one vague protest led to a ban, a lawsuit should be easy to win.

It's all bullshit when most kids have cellphones with the internet, and you should see the kinds of sex videos on Google by typing xxx and your favorite perversion. They are worried about books when Satan is seducing their kids through their cellphones. Book banning and burning is a dumb idea, so maybe they could start bonfires of smartphones. You know, confiscate all the cellphones in the high school and burn them in a big pile in the school parking lot while the kids cheered in approval as their thousand-dollar devices went up in smoke and exploding batteries! JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL! :lol:

Roger A. Shrubber · May 24, 2023

cannabineer said:
obviously incorrect. That parent had one or more specific passages in mind.

It says "page 12-13" on the complaint...No idea what is on pages 12 and 13.

CANON_Grow · May 24, 2023

Sounds like the lady broke mentally during covid. Apparently she fled Cuba when she was 21, so I can understand how she could be super sensitive about restrictions and it could trigger an irrational fear.

"One of the pages Salinas complained about reads: “Somehow, we’ve weathered and witnessed / A nation that isn’t broken, but simply unfinished.”
"An avid supporter of Ron DeSantis, Salinas worked as a volunteer on his “Education Agenda Tour” in August 2022, according to social media posts reviewed by The Daily Beast. That summer, DeSantis traveled the state boosting conservative candidates in school board elections and lambasting schools “indoctrinating” children.
However, Salinas’ politics appear to have gone beyond the right-wing of the Republican party, veering into extremism and anti-Semitism.
In March of this year, Salinas shared a Facebook post entitled “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” which included a series of anti-Semitic tropes about an alleged Jewish conspiracy to control the world."

Florida Mom Behind Amanda Gorman Book Ban Has Proud Boy Links

Daily Salinas attended multiple rallies with members of the far-right group prior to her activism against school library books.

www.thedailybeast.com

It should be pointed out that it wasn't banned though, just moved over to the middle school section of the library.

"No literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed. It was determined at the school that 'The Hill We Climb' is better suited for middle school students and it was shelved in the middle school section of the media center. The book remains available in the media center."

Did a Florida School Ban Amanda Gorman's Poem, 'The Hill We Climb'?

According to reports, the school restricted some students' access to four books, including Gorman's, after a review based on one parent's complaint.

www.snopes.com

DIY-HP-LED · May 24, 2023

CANON_Grow said:
Sounds like the lady broke mentally during covid. Apparently she fled Cuba when she was 21, so I can understand how she could be super sensitive about restrictions and it could trigger an irrational fear.

"One of the pages Salinas complained about reads: “Somehow, we’ve weathered and witnessed / A nation that isn’t broken, but simply unfinished.”
"An avid supporter of Ron DeSantis, Salinas worked as a volunteer on his “Education Agenda Tour” in August 2022, according to social media posts reviewed by The Daily Beast. That summer, DeSantis traveled the state boosting conservative candidates in school board elections and lambasting schools “indoctrinating” children.
However, Salinas’ politics appear to have gone beyond the right-wing of the Republican party, veering into extremism and anti-Semitism.
In March of this year, Salinas shared a Facebook post entitled “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” which included a series of anti-Semitic tropes about an alleged Jewish conspiracy to control the world."

Florida Mom Behind Amanda Gorman Book Ban Has Proud Boy Links

Daily Salinas attended multiple rallies with members of the far-right group prior to her activism against school library books.

www.thedailybeast.com

It should be pointed out that it wasn't banned though, just moved over to the middle school section of the library.

"No literature (books or poem) has been banned or removed. It was determined at the school that 'The Hill We Climb' is better suited for middle school students and it was shelved in the middle school section of the media center. The book remains available in the media center."

Did a Florida School Ban Amanda Gorman's Poem, 'The Hill We Climb'?

According to reports, the school restricted some students' access to four books, including Gorman's, after a review based on one parent's complaint.

www.snopes.com

So, a mental case can control the reading material in schools and inflict her mental illness on an entire community. She shares a historically antisemitic work of hate and rationalization for genocide and gets to ban books or complain about and gets books moved around the school system violating everybody's first amendment rights. The book belonged where the librarian put it as far as I'm concerned, why complain about it at all?

Does she think The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, should be in school libraries? This book was not banned, it was moved, but plenty of other books are for bullshit reasons. Maybe they will ban Sesame Street in Florida since they preach inclusion too?

She should pay attention to what the kids have access to on their phones these days and organize a cellphone burning!

CANON_Grow · May 24, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
So, a mental case can control the reading material in schools and inflict her mental illness on an entire community. She shares a historically antisemitic work of hate and rationalization for genocide and gets to ban books or complain about and gets books moved around the school system violating everybody's first amendment rights. The book belonged where the librarian put it as far as I'm concerned, why complain about it at all?

Does she think The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, should be in school libraries? This book was not banned, it was moved, but plenty of other books are for bullshit reasons. Maybe they will ban Sesame Street in Florida since they preach inclusion too?

She should pay attention to what the kids have access to on their phones these days and organize a cellphone burning!

So ignoring the hyperbole, she didn't get any reading materials removed and to me it appears the school decided it was best to move the book to a different part of the library which is not really an extreme response (and certainly doesn't match the narrative the media tried to portray). I don't have an issue with people complaining about things in schools they find objectionable because I would/will do the same if religion starts creeping into how the public schools run up here. I don't believe the librarian should have final say, a large influence sure, but a consensus decision among competent people is usually better for everyone - prevents a librarian that becomes extreme from having too much sway, and shares the responsibility when tough/unpopular decisions need to be made.

I'm not absolving her actions, simply acknowledging this isn't like so many other cases when it's Karen that comes from nothing but privilege.

DIY-HP-LED · May 24, 2023

CANON_Grow said:
So ignoring the hyperbole, she didn't get any reading materials removed and to me it appears the school decided it was best to move the book to a different part of the library which is not really an extreme response (and certainly doesn't match the narrative the media tried to portray). I don't have an issue with people complaining about things in schools they find objectionable because I would/will do the same if religion starts creeping into how the public schools run up here. I don't believe the librarian should have final say, a large influence sure, but a consensus decision among competent people is usually better for everyone - prevents a librarian that becomes extreme from having too much sway, and shares the responsibility when tough/unpopular decisions need to be made.

I'm not absolving her actions, simply acknowledging this isn't like so many other cases when it's Karen that comes from nothing but privilege.

One person's complaint should not have such an impact and librarians arrange the books in libraries. It was the reason the complaint was filed that is the real question and the legitimacy of the process used and it's easy abuse by bigots.

DIY-HP-LED · May 26, 2023

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661884887257735168

DIY-HP-LED · May 26, 2023

CANON_Grow said:
So ignoring the hyperbole, she didn't get any reading materials removed and to me it appears the school decided it was best to move the book to a different part of the library which is not really an extreme response (and certainly doesn't match the narrative the media tried to portray). I don't have an issue with people complaining about things in schools they find objectionable because I would/will do the same if religion starts creeping into how the public schools run up here. I don't believe the librarian should have final say, a large influence sure, but a consensus decision among competent people is usually better for everyone - prevents a librarian that becomes extreme from having too much sway, and shares the responsibility when tough/unpopular decisions need to be made.

I'm not absolving her actions, simply acknowledging this isn't like so many other cases when it's Karen that comes from nothing but privilege.

“I’m not a reader. I’m not a book person,” says Florida woman who was caught promoting a Nazi propaganda book on her Facebook page. This is the same non-reading woman who just got Amanda Gorman's poetry restricted in a Florida public school.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661840068460290050

CANON_Grow · May 26, 2023

DIY-HP-LED said:
“I’m not a reader. I’m not a book person,” says Florida woman who was caught promoting a Nazi propaganda book on her Facebook page. This is the same non-reading woman who just got Amanda Gorman's poetry restricted in a Florida public school.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661840068460290050

I fully admit that prejudice is being used in my view of the situation and that I wouldn't apply the same leniency to someone that didn't uproot their life to escape communism, but she appears to be someone that doesn't fully understand the situation she finds herself in rather than an evil person. Yes it's frustrating when one person causes an issue, but still believe that using a committee to decide is better than the alternative of a single person. There is history with this school board and books, and the ACLU has filed a lawsuit against them on in the past so we'll see if anything changes.

cannabineer · May 26, 2023

CANON_Grow said:
I fully admit that prejudice is being used in my view of the situation and that I wouldn't apply the same leniency to someone that didn't uproot their life to escape communism, but she appears to be someone that doesn't fully understand the situation she finds herself in rather than an evil person. Yes it's frustrating when one person causes an issue, but still believe that using a committee to decide is better than the alternative of a single person. There is history with this school board and books, and the ACLU has filed a lawsuit against them on in the past so we'll see if anything changes.

To rebut, she championed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a fabricated hit piece on Jews and Judaism.

That tract was one of the drivers of the Jewish suffering in the first half of the 20th century.

So there is imo an irreducible component of bigoted motive. That isn’t culture shock; it’s buying into the lie that killed millions in living memory.

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