Abortion is now illegal in the United States

UncleBuck

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The study was criticized by various authors, including a 2001 article by John Lott and John Whitley where they argued that Donohue and Levitt assume that states which completely legalized abortion had higher abortion rates than states where abortion was only legal under certain conditions (many states allowed abortion only under certain conditions prior to Roe) and that CDC statistics do not substantiate this claim. In addition, if abortion rates cause crime rates to fall, crime rates should start to fall among the youngest people first and then gradually be seen lowering the crime rate for older and older people. In fact, they argue, the murder rates first start to fall among the oldest criminals and then the next oldest criminals and so on until it last falls among the youngest individuals. Lott and Whitley argue that if Donohue and Levitt are right that 80 percent of the drop in murder rates during the 1990s is due solely to the legalization of abortion, their results should be seen in these graphs without anything being controlled for, and that in fact the opposite is true. In addition, Lott and Whitley pointed out that using arrest rate data to proxy crime rates is flawed because arrest for murder can take place many months or even years after the crime occurred. Lott and Whitley show that using the Supplemental Homicide Report, which links murder data for when the crime occurred with later arrest rate data, reverses Donohue and Levitt's regression results.[SUP][5][/SUP]
In 2005, Christopher Foote and Christopher Goetz claimed that a computer error in Levitt and Donahue's statistical analysis lead to an artificially inflated relationship between legalized abortion and crime reduction. Once other crime-associated factors were properly controlled for, the effect of abortion on arrests was reduced by about half. Foote and Goetz also criticize Levitt and Donahue's use of arrest totals rather than arrests per capita, which takes population size into account. Using Census Bureau population estimates, Foote and Goetz repeated the analysis using arrest rates in place of simple arrest totals, and found that the effect of abortion disappeared entirely.[SUP][6][/SUP]
 

ChesusRice

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Almost, we have had this "code talk" discussion before. Why do all of you progressives quiver like an antenna in a windstorm and reach for your very own secret decoder rings in every discussion?

I said exactly what I meant, no double-secret thesaurus necessary.
Ok then
Why is being a "community organizer" used by you as a term of derision?
 

desert dude

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Ok then
Why is being a "community organizer" used by you as a term of derision?
I don't recall using that term in a derisive way, however I will take your word for it.

I suppose it depends on the motivations of the "organizer", doesn't it? In the case of Dear Leader, it has become pretty apparent that he is a loathsome narcissist, hence his concerns were never for the community but only for one particular member of that community.

When Almost made his, "yeah 'poor people'..." snark, I had to stop for a moment to figure what he was implying. It didn't take long to figure out that he was painting me as a racist, a mudscuttle seldom makes any other assertion about philosophical opponents.
 

rollinbud

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[h=1]Senator Famous for Joking About Rape Campaigns for Obama, Biden[/h]http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-famous-joking-about-rape-campaigns-obama-biden_650609.html
 

ChesusRice

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I don't recall using that term in a derisive way, however I will take your word for it.

I suppose it depends on the motivations of the "organizer", doesn't it? In the case of Dear Leader, it has become pretty apparent that he is a loathsome narcissist, hence his concerns were never for the community but only for one particular member of that community.

When Almost made his, "yeah 'poor people'..." snark, I had to stop for a moment to figure what he was implying. It didn't take long to figure out that he was painting me as a racist, a mudscuttle seldom makes any other assertion about philosophical opponents.
Obama is obviouslyt a racist
how dare that uppity negro try to help poor disenfranchised urban folk
Next thing you know those people will actually believe they have rights
 

UncleBuck

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it's so totally clear what desert dude is saying, he thinks he's fooling everyone. hell, the moron thinks he's fooling himself.

too funny.

bet the guy is donating daily to zimmerman still.
 

desert dude

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The study was criticized by various authors, including a 2001 article by John Lott and John Whitley where they argued that Donohue and Levitt assume that states which completely legalized abortion had higher abortion rates than states where abortion was only legal under certain conditions (many states allowed abortion only under certain conditions prior to Roe) and that CDC statistics do not substantiate this claim. In addition, if abortion rates cause crime rates to fall, crime rates should start to fall among the youngest people first and then gradually be seen lowering the crime rate for older and older people. In fact, they argue, the murder rates first start to fall among the oldest criminals and then the next oldest criminals and so on until it last falls among the youngest individuals. Lott and Whitley argue that if Donohue and Levitt are right that 80 percent of the drop in murder rates during the 1990s is due solely to the legalization of abortion, their results should be seen in these graphs without anything being controlled for, and that in fact the opposite is true. In addition, Lott and Whitley pointed out that using arrest rate data to proxy crime rates is flawed because arrest for murder can take place many months or even years after the crime occurred. Lott and Whitley show that using the Supplemental Homicide Report, which links murder data for when the crime occurred with later arrest rate data, reverses Donohue and Levitt's regression results.[SUP][5][/SUP]
In 2005, Christopher Foote and Christopher Goetz claimed that a computer error in Levitt and Donahue's statistical analysis lead to an artificially inflated relationship between legalized abortion and crime reduction. Once other crime-associated factors were properly controlled for, the effect of abortion on arrests was reduced by about half. Foote and Goetz also criticize Levitt and Donahue's use of arrest totals rather than arrests per capita, which takes population size into account. Using Census Bureau population estimates, Foote and Goetz repeated the analysis using arrest rates in place of simple arrest totals, and found that the effect of abortion disappeared entirely.[SUP][6][/SUP]
Yeah, I am aware that others disagree with Levitt y Donaldson. Please note that I said there was a "correlation" between abortion rates and subsequent crime rates, I did not claim causation.

I will also note that every time somebody makes a bold claim, particularly one that is politically incorrect, "statisticians" crawl out of the woodwork to dismantle the claim.

Think about what Canndo posited earlier: 400,000 unwanted kids yearly pushed into society... 7.2 million after 18 years. Do you think adding 400,000 neglected, unloved 18 year olds into society every year might raise crime rates? To me, that does not seem at all far fetched.
 

UncleBuck

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Yeah, I am aware that others disagree with Levitt y Donaldson. Please note that I said there was a "correlation" between abortion rates and subsequent crime rates, I did not claim causation.

I will also note that every time somebody makes a bold claim, particularly one that is politically incorrect, "statisticians" crawl out of the woodwork to dismantle the claim.

Think about what Canndo posited earlier: 400,000 unwanted kids yearly pushed into society... 7.2 million after 18 years. Do you think adding 400,000 neglected, unloved 18 year olds into society every year might raise crime rates? To me, that does not seem at all far fetched.
why do you put quotes around "statisticians"?

is it because it helps you hold onto your supremacist views?
 

NLXSK1

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If the federal government got out of it entirely it would fall to the states to pass individual legislation.
 

ChesusRice

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Yeah, I am aware that others disagree with Levitt y Donaldson. Please note that I said there was a "correlation" between abortion rates and subsequent crime rates, I did not claim causation.

I will also note that every time somebody makes a bold claim, particularly one that is politically incorrect, "statisticians" crawl out of the woodwork to dismantle the claim.

Think about what Canndo posited earlier: 400,000 unwanted kids yearly pushed into society... 7.2 million after 18 years. Do you think adding 400,000 neglected, unloved 18 year olds into society every year might raise crime rates? To me, that does not seem at all far fetched.

He has a point
 
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