Abortion is now illegal in the United States

desert dude

desert dude

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Wow. UB, you really have a major crush on me. You read my mind and know just what I think, and you have your own little code book to translate "what I really mean". Why don't you just cut out the middleman and write posts in my name?

I am trying to play along with Canndo's fictional scenario here, though. Unfortunately for Canndo, I am not a hard-core pro-lifer. I do have some objections to abortion on demand and I don't completely reject the pro-life arguments, though.
 
UncleBuck

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ChesusRice said:
How did that work out in the confederate states before and after the civil war?
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the pre civil war south was never about states' rights, note their federal power grab (the largest in the history of the nation at the time) with the fugitive slave act.
 
UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
Wow. UB, you really have a major crush on me. You read my mind and know just what I think, and you have your own little code book to translate "what I really mean". Why don't you just cut out the middleman and write posts in my name?

I am trying to play along with Canndo's fictional scenario here, though. Unfortunately for Canndo, I am not a hard-core pro-lifer. I do have some objections to abortion on demand and I don't completely reject the pro-life arguments, though.
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yep, you are just a regular, self-professed fence sitter on anything controversial.

except that you're completely not.

i mean, you tried to profess yourself to be a fence sitter in the trayvon martin thread for soooo long. yet your mind was clearly made up the entire time.

it's laughable, man.
 
desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
his point is goddamned PC "statisticians"
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No, my point is: "Think about what Canndo posited earlier: 400,000 unwanted kids yearly pushed into society... 7.2 million after 18 years. Do you think adding 400,000 neglected, unloved 18 year olds into society every year might raise crime rates? To me, that does not seem at all far fetched."
 
UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
No, my point is: "Think about what Canndo posited earlier: 400,000 unwanted kids yearly pushed into society... 7.2 million after 18 years. Do you think adding 400,000 neglected, unloved 18 year olds into society every year might raise crime rates? To me, that does not seem at all far fetched."
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yes, ignore those goddamn PC "statisticians", focus on emotional appeal!

how could you ever go wrong?
 
NLXSK1

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  • et's say that there is no program to help the mother but a 100,000 per year need no further assistance. We now have a half a million unwanted babies each year. The rest, even if they are put up for adoption may have to stay in either foster homes or orphan homes. A percentage of them will be adopted each year from those homes but as the child grows older the percentage drops, so we can say that these services collect 400,000 new children each year. Now extend that out for 18 years, after which the first of them are adults and can make their way on their own. On the 18th year you have 7.2 million children under government care, perpetualy so for so long as women do not change their evil ways.​
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Yes, the murder of over 7 million children seems like the logical conclusion after reading this.

Oh wait...
 
desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
yep, you are just a regular, self-professed fence sitter on anything controversial.

except that you're completely not.

i mean, you tried to profess yourself to be a fence sitter in the trayvon martin thread for soooo long. yet your mind was clearly made up the entire time.

it's laughable, man.
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No, I was never a fence sitter in the Trayvon thread.

Here is a paraphrase of what I said all along: "All of the evidence I have seen supports Zimmerman's account of what happened. The prosecution has presented nothing to refute the physical evidence and nothing that counters the eye witness testimony which corroborates the physical evidence. However, I am willing to change my mind if the prosecution ever does present any real evidence that refutes the physical evidence and eye witness accounts."

That is not fence sitting, and that is still my position on the Trayvon/Zimmerman spectacle. The prosecution has presented nothing that I am aware of that refutes the physical evidence and eye witness accounts.
 
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desert dude said:
No, I was never a fence sitter in the Trayvon thread.

Here is a paraphrase of what I said all along: "All of the evidence I have seen supports Zimmerman's account of what happened. The prosecution has presented nothing to refute the physical evidence and nothing that counters the eye witness testimony which corroborates the physical evidence. However, I am willing to change my mind if the prosecution ever does present any real evidence that refutes the physical evidence and eye witness accounts."

That is not fence sitting, and that is still my position on the Trayvon/Zimmerman spectacle. The prosecution has presented nothing that I am aware of that refutes the physical evidence and eye witness accounts.
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lets put it another way
Do you think Zimmerman is wrong?
 
canndo

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NLXSK1 said:
Yes, the murder of over 7 million children seems like the logical conclusion after reading this.

Oh wait...
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Yet again "gee, we should kill all those little baaaabies". But if you put that into practice, if you address the reality of this self righteous little "we can't trust women" urging for us to see to abortion by claiming all fetuses are people you get about what I said, an untenable society, just like most of the results of conservative urgings.


What are you going to do about this new welfare class NL? you going to refuse to pay for it?
 
canndo

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ChesusRice said:
He has a point
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No one is disputing my numbers, in reality it is worse because adoption stats are far lower. I worked up figures based upon the cost of current foster care and it would be the largest social welfare system in America - by far. Certainly some charity would defray some cost but charity is not endless, in all likelihood those charity dollars would be diverted from other issues.


Yes indeed, an unloved, institutionalized 18 year old may well wind up being an unloved, institutionalized 23 year old. time to enlarge our prisons yet again. It may be that we will have to house a significant portion of these unaborted childrend for the rest of their lives.

As I said, the right rarely actually looks at the ramifications of their wishes. I would hold differently if I knew that they were willing to have more taxes taken from their income in order to support those children (and adults) but that isn't ever going to happen.


Imagine such a society.
 
NLXSK1

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canndo said:
Yet again "gee, we should kill all those little baaaabies". But if you put that into practice, if you address the reality of this self righteous little "we can't trust women" urging for us to see to abortion by claiming all fetuses are people you get about what I said, an untenable society, just like most of the results of conservative urgings.


What are you going to do about this new welfare class NL? you going to refuse to pay for it?
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I am not sure why you think it would be a *NEW* welfare class. We already pay billions for single unwed mothers...

I am pointing out that your option is genocide. If that is something you can live with, so be it.

If you want more of something, reward it.
 
desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
yes, ignore those goddamn PC "statisticians", focus on emotional appeal!

how could you ever go wrong?
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UB, you need to pull the stick out of your ass. I didn't come on this thread to argue with you. I came on to play along with Canndo and let him try to "trap" me into some moral inconsistency. Canndo made the point about a long march of unwanted kids. That point dove tailed nicely with the Freakonomics correlation between crime and birth rates. If you think it doesn't dovetail, then feel free to counter the point.

Or, you could just call me a racist.
 
UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
UB, you need to pull the stick out of your ass. I didn't come on this thread to argue with you. I came on to play along with Canndo and let him try to "trap" me into some moral inconsistency. Canndo made the point about a long march of unwanted kids. That point dove tailed nicely with the Freakonomics correlation between crime and birth rates. If you think it doesn't dovetail, then feel free to counter the point.

Or, you could just call me a racist.
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i tried that, you dismissed it as goddamn PC "statisticians".

so i'm sticking to calling you what you are.
 
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