ChesusRice
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sounds geographic to me
Most of the crime in this diverse neighborhood I live in is by white meth heads
They even stole the cast iron grates off a business right down the street for scrap
Abortion is now illegal in the United States
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Most of the crime in this diverse neighborhood I live in is by white meth heads
They even stole the cast iron grates off a business right down the street for scrap
Samwell Seed Well
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so you think there is a correlation between abortion and gang members because the catholic church's reasoning for pushing no abortion was to save you from bullets shot by potential mexicans gang members. . . .wtf, isnt that the opposite of what DD said
has to be one of the most bigoted and misinformed askewed comments i have read in a bit, im sure the last was about tinfoil hats
tbh i think im reading your statement wrong . . .can you simplify your correlation
Grandpapy
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Yes the violent crime is here in the western US.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/us/in-salinas-fighting-gang-violence-on-a-shoestring.html?pagewanted=all
Samwell Seed Well
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dude if you grew up in the 80's you know violent crime today aint shit, to how it used to be, and what is the point of state that^^
well all i was trying to clarify was what you thought correlated in the church no abortion, gang members shoot me thing, cuase abortion is legal and your still etting shot at? so not sure what you ment by your post up top
Grandpapy
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Yea, I grew up in the 70's, San Antonio, Channel 5 "Blood and Guts" news, We had race riots in high school for fucks sake and they shut down the school for a week, everyone was in a gang of some sort, whites, blacks, mexicans, heads, rednecks, jocks but mostly there was HATE for anybody or anything.
More then half of my friends would get the livin shit beat out of them on a regular basis, you know the kind, if done today would be a 10 year sentence.
Why would the gang mentality remain in the Hispanic group but none of the others.?
Anyway, I'm not seeing as many gang task forces fighting whites, blacks, as they are Hispanic. This is my opinion.
Samwell Seed Well
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i think our border policies ahve a big thing to do with it, i just dont think abortion is such an easy escape goat, if i had to put any blame on anyhting it would be bigotious laws and education, i bet you look at education graduation rates and they will directly positively(are real correlation stat term) correlate to crime
then you can act like your are a consultant and know how to review stats and go and look at drug use and crime rates, and see if they positivley correlate with drop in spending on education . . and there you go
then you can form somewhat of an argument
Grandpapy
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No argument, just a point to consider.
Samwell Seed Well
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fair enough12345
Canna Sylvan
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Where are all these goats escaping?
Samwell Seed Well
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Dr Kynes
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no. i see fluctuations in reported crime which could be the result of any of a variety of things, changes to the way crime is reported, changes to the way the reports are handled, changes to the nature of the economy, criminal prosecutions and police funding, and a billion other thing. the crime rate continued to climb so what? people started aborting kids who were destined to be firemen or plumbers instead of rapists and murderers? maybe your department of Pre-Crime iis letting the wrong abortions happen.
Dr Kynes
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ahh so if we order mass sterilizations of beaner baby factories we will have less mexican crime... will we have to force mexico and guatemala into our abortion mills as well? hell why dont we just carpet bomb michoacan and chihuahua then erect a 300 meter wide crocodile filled freindship ditch with fun-time electrified concertina wire fencing and diversity machineguns. perhaps we could turn ICE into the Good Humour man with a machine pistiol and the right to give deep cavity searches to anyone who is insufficiently white and thus may be an abortion evader.
desert dude
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Come on, Kynes, I know you are not stupid. The freakonomics assertion did not say "abort today" and crime rates drop starting tomorrow. Furthermore, such an assertion is stupid on its face. Infants don't engage in crime, but young men do. The correlation in those charts leaps right out and it makes sense from a sociological perspective. Crime, violent crime especially, is committed mostly by "young" men, ~18 to about ~40, precisely the age group occupied by children born in the early seventies starting in the early nineties. Those charts show exactly the sort of correlation that would be expected between rising abortion rates and falling crime rates in exactly the time frame you would expect them.
From those charts violent crime started rising in the early seventies and peaked in the 1990s. The US was in a deep recession in the 1970s that did not start to abate until the 1980s. A bunch of young men unable to get jobs and with time on their hands turn to crime, some of it violent. As those young men aged out and mellowed out they turned away from crime, and their shoes were not filled by a large group of unwanted and impoverished young men who didn't materialize because they were aborted as fetuses.
If you want to argue that the correlation between abortion rates and violent crime rates in those charts is merely coincidence, then do so and propose some other causative factor.
Grandpapy
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Dr Kynes
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then we should keep all young men in prison during their "Peak Crime Years" an only release them when they are sufficiently "mellowed' to apply for social security.
so, the coincidental legalization of abortion caused a sudden drop in male criminal behavior for a very short time, and then abortion stopped working, because crime iimmediately started rising again even faster than before, then dipped again as, i presume, a new wave of abortion hit the supply side of male crime, and again crime began raising even faster than ever before as abortion again ceased doing it's essential job keeping the male population from overwhelming our ability to imprison those evil testoterone driven criminals.
abortion sure is spotty and inefficient as a means of crime prevention.
I know! lets just kill all women of child bearing age from now on. if they cant have babies they cant breed the new "Super Criminals" who have developed a genetic resistance to abortion.
Dr Kynes
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more expensive than billions lost to cross border crime every year?
it's ok, you dont have to make sense.
mandatory abortion is the way to go then, as long as it's cheaper than border security.
desert dude
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So, in other words, you have no fucking clue what is going on or why, and you are looking at charts of violent crime that only you can see.
Very entertaining.
Grandpapy
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LOL. I said you wouldn't consider it.
We were just raised in different environments. Our perception of reality are based on these experiences.
Unfortunately, I have seen many of my friends beat to an inch of their life by their fathers that never wanted to get married in the first place and now have nothing but resentment for their child. Hate and violence are learned.
To say non-abortion has no effect on hate and violence in this or any country would be untrue.
(note) most of my friends at that time were Hispanic with strong ties to the church, Divorce and Abortion were out of the question.
Dr Kynes
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your own charts displayed the fluctuations i described, reduction in crime rates then a massive increase, then another dip, then another race for the record. check them tables homey.