UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
see? he speaks from a position of knowledge and experience, not what he's been programmed to believe.
he really showed all of you.
Is anyone Pro-War?
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he really showed all of you.
kelly4
Well-Known Member
Hey look, Know-It-All got bored and chimed in. Whats up Buck no other threads to savage tonight?
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world - that is the myth of the atomic age - as in being able to remake ourselves.
Mahatma Gandhi.
One mind at a time.
One mind at a time.
kelly4
Well-Known Member
See? Once again you speak from no position at all! LOL! You're such a loser. HAHAHA! I'm so glad I'm not you!! BWAHAHAHAH!!!! I can't quit laughing!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!I feel bad fo yo momma!!!BWAHAHAHAHA
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
When you try to be ignorant, you succeed.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
have you stuck it in the dog's ass yet?
iNVESTIGATE
Well-Known Member
War for defense and peace keeping. But i hate hierarchy so idk fuck it all. lol Because when you have few at the top of anything things are all bound to favour and have influences from their beliefs.. ? lol
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I am not convinced that he offered us a way out. Underneath it all he was a famous Luddite. Serenity at the price of progress is a bad deal imo, and progress, especially in the speed and distance of communication, has rendered some of his key tenets obsolete. Gandhi would have us stay stuck on this planet, which is a horrific long-term survival strategy. A village cannot build a spaceship. cn
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
He only opposed international trade because of Britain's "free-trade-agreements" which left his countrymen in utter famine. The green revolution that he began worked too.
kelly4
Well-Known Member
I haven't done shit to them, so GO TELL THEM! Go tell them how nice us Americans really are, and if they would please, in the name of Gandhi, stop hateing us! If they say they will, they're LYIN'! When they tell it straight to our face that they hate us, they're not lieing. Why should they? It's not like the rest of the world likes us.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
Have you ventured at all into any attempt to understand why the world hates us? Maybe if we stopped being such an empire they wouldn't so much. We ONLY accept a situation where we dominate, our foreign policy is purely belligerent and any good will is only toward people that we need to exploit.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That was all excellent ... in its time and place. His charge was India, which had a labor-surplus economy from the git-go. But he heavily favored nineteenth-century technology - the spinning wheel, the ox-drawn plow, hand tools for manufacture ... which made good sense for India in the early 20th century, but not in the EC since the eighteenth.
His doctrine of nonviolence was effective because a small, war-tired occupying force, Britain's expatriate soldiers and administrators, could ultimately be exhausted by the simple obstructionism to which nonviolent resistance boils down. That required the geopolitical setting of a small imperial power working across communication lines still dominated by surface shipping. Today's empires (if you give credence to an undeclared oligarchy ruling the developed world) do not have the disadvantage of such logistics.
I'm not saying his methods are useless today. However the narrowness of conditions needed for them to be effective doesn't get much play. Another difficulty I see is getting the voters or potential demonstrators in the developed countries to forsake their comforts and take the center on headfirst. Indian subjects (later citizens) had less to lose and much to gain, and they knew it. Even if the same is true today, the potential support base don't know it, and mobilizing them is a job for Don Quixote. Sancho - ! My armor! cn
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQHDEQ7AP6I&feature=related
You should help a brother when he falls,
And so too a sister when she calls,
Cause you never know it could be you
That could be you
When you see the poor you pass them by,
You only care about your own life,
But you never know that could be you,
It could be you, you
Listen, people living in the west will never understand,
About the real struggles faced as a poor man,
It could be you who is living in Afghanistan,
To see the soldiers come and kill your people on your land,
It could be you demonstrating on Yemen on the streets,
It could be you who has to fight for their basic needs,
It could be you fighting to defend what you believe,
It could be you the same way that it could be me,
But we are still oppressed even though we’re kinda lucky,
Little kids bursting over bucky just to get the money,
But if they only really understood what money does,
It puts hate in a place where there might be love,
I don’t even have to think when I write this stuff,
It’s easy to see how they overpower us,
Cause they win if we have to go to them for help,
And they’re smiling while they watch us kill our self
You should help a brother when he falls,
And so too a sister when she calls,
Cause you never know it could be you
That could be you
When you see the poor you pass them by,
You only care about your own life,
But you never know that could be you,
It could be you, you
We’re dis-attached from the world living in our bubble,
Oblivious to the struggle of those living in trouble,
You don’t really know the meaning of a daily struggle,
Till’ your home gets bulldozed into dust and rubble,
How would I feel if it was me that had his limbs blown,
M’lamo Mozambican school children on their way home,
At night time they go to bed but they never dream,
They’re kept awake hearing daddy fight and mummy scream,
We’re too concerned with our blackberry phone,
To think about the lives lost in Sierra Leone,
The (?) in Western Sudan, will rape your daughter then burn your whole land,
I write these bars for the struggle of my people,
From Congo, to Tibet, Palestine to Mogadishu,
Enveloped in a war so I wish that I could reach you,
Bring the power to the people and eradicate this issue,
Cause are leaders are corrupt and way too superficial
You should help a brother when he falls,
And so too a sister when she calls,
Cause you never know it could be you
That could be you
When you see the poor you pass them by,
You only care about your own life,
But you never know that could be you,
It could be you, you
Lemme take you to a place where everybody knows,
Some people call this place hell but to me it’s home,
U.K. is where I grew, it’s in my flesh and bones,
I was born and breed here so yeah I got a right to moan,
Its part of me fam, and it can not be removed,
I love this place but the history i disapprove,
I try and listen to every single one of you,
And I always try and put myself up inside your shoes,
So I can overstand exactly where you’re coming from,
Cause if I treat you with disrespect then that is wrong,
And if no one helps no one I guess that is long,
That’s why we made you aware, that’s why we wrote this song,
That’s why I give respect cause I want it in return,
We’re all stuck on this planet so we might as well learn,
And stick together, cause unity can’t be defeated,
Always treat others how you expect to be treated
You should help a brother when he falls,
And so too a sister when she calls,
Cause you never know it could be you
That could be you
When you see the poor you pass them by,
You only care about your own life,
But you never know that could be you,
It could be you, you
Listen, people living in the west will never understand,
About the real struggles faced as a poor man,
It could be you who is living in Afghanistan,
To see the soldiers come and kill your people on your land,
It could be you demonstrating on Yemen on the streets,
It could be you who has to fight for their basic needs,
It could be you fighting to defend what you believe,
It could be you the same way that it could be me,
But we are still oppressed even though we’re kinda lucky,
Little kids bursting over bucky just to get the money,
But if they only really understood what money does,
It puts hate in a place where there might be love,
I don’t even have to think when I write this stuff,
It’s easy to see how they overpower us,
Cause they win if we have to go to them for help,
And they’re smiling while they watch us kill our self
You should help a brother when he falls,
And so too a sister when she calls,
Cause you never know it could be you
That could be you
When you see the poor you pass them by,
You only care about your own life,
But you never know that could be you,
It could be you, you
We’re dis-attached from the world living in our bubble,
Oblivious to the struggle of those living in trouble,
You don’t really know the meaning of a daily struggle,
Till’ your home gets bulldozed into dust and rubble,
How would I feel if it was me that had his limbs blown,
M’lamo Mozambican school children on their way home,
At night time they go to bed but they never dream,
They’re kept awake hearing daddy fight and mummy scream,
We’re too concerned with our blackberry phone,
To think about the lives lost in Sierra Leone,
The (?) in Western Sudan, will rape your daughter then burn your whole land,
I write these bars for the struggle of my people,
From Congo, to Tibet, Palestine to Mogadishu,
Enveloped in a war so I wish that I could reach you,
Bring the power to the people and eradicate this issue,
Cause are leaders are corrupt and way too superficial
You should help a brother when he falls,
And so too a sister when she calls,
Cause you never know it could be you
That could be you
When you see the poor you pass them by,
You only care about your own life,
But you never know that could be you,
It could be you, you
Lemme take you to a place where everybody knows,
Some people call this place hell but to me it’s home,
U.K. is where I grew, it’s in my flesh and bones,
I was born and breed here so yeah I got a right to moan,
Its part of me fam, and it can not be removed,
I love this place but the history i disapprove,
I try and listen to every single one of you,
And I always try and put myself up inside your shoes,
So I can overstand exactly where you’re coming from,
Cause if I treat you with disrespect then that is wrong,
And if no one helps no one I guess that is long,
That’s why we made you aware, that’s why we wrote this song,
That’s why I give respect cause I want it in return,
We’re all stuck on this planet so we might as well learn,
And stick together, cause unity can’t be defeated,
Always treat others how you expect to be treated
kelly4
Well-Known Member
I know why the rest of the world doesn't like us, I'm only worried about the ones who want me dead. Remember those guys? They want you dead too. No amount of praying, dancing, meditating, or holding hands is gonna change it. You talk about closed minds, the people you are defending have the biggest closed........I'm done with this.
Don't be surprised when this turns out different than what you exect it to. If only Gandhi were here to help.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
I would defend you too.I know why the rest of the world doesn't like us, I'm only worried about the ones who want me dead? Remember those guys? They want you dead too. No amount of praying, dancing, meditating, or holding hands is gonna change it. You talk about closed minds, the people you are defending have the biggest closed........I'm done with this.
Don't be surprised when this turns out different than what you exect it to. If only Gandhi were here to help.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
fixed it for accuracy.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
one mind at a time.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
I'm not hoping to resurrect him and see him lead the world today.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I understand that. The principles are not the man. I still think that his principles are as much a product of his time and place, like perhaps Martin Luther's. The real question in my mind becomes - whither from here? Since you and I have very different perspectives and political values (even as I sense that our moral values are not very different at all), we would have very different answers for how to proceed and to progress. I'm cool with that, since deep down i am a pluralist. cn
kelly4
Well-Known Member
You really do drink the koombiyah kool-aid don't you?