Is anyone Pro-War?

cannabineer said:

Uh hello; which "magic bullet" theory? cn

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I believe that is in reference to JFK's assasination, no? If that is it, I am inclined to believe Johnson knew a lot more than he let on and the magic bullet theory is of course hogwash. But I believe that Johnson was interested in the continuation of war and was in on plans to start another war should Vietnam end sooner.

Moses Mobetta said:

I believe that is in reference to JFK's assasination, no? If that is it, I am inclined to believe Johnson knew a lot more than he let on and the magic bullet theory is of course hogwash. But I believe that Johnson was interested in the continuation of war and was in on plans to start another war should Vietnam end sooner.

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That'd be the one. From what facts I've been able to dig up it is the Bush/Nixon/CIA theory. Same gang who set up the Bay of Pigs to screw JFK.

MellowFarmer, you presume about me. I do not watch Fox or any other televised news, and I don't consider our government to be above either reproach or accounting. I would have enjoyed this more if your reply to my longer post had contained information alongside the dismissal. Jmo. cn

<edit> Moses, thank you for answering one of my questions.

cannabineer said:

<edit> Moses, thank you for answering one of my questions.

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Your welcome, I wasn't trying to but in. Never figured you for the mainstream media, I stay away from it myself. But I was enjoying your conversation.

cannabineer said:

MellowFarmer, you presume about me. I do not watch Fox or any other televised news, and I don't consider our government to be above either reproach or accounting. I would have enjoyed this more if your reply to my longer post had contained information alongside the dismissal. Jmo. cn

<edit> Moses, thank you for answering one of my questions.

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I apologize for being harsh. I get shy at times when my response contains subjects that may be considered cooky conspiracy theories. Did you watch the videos by chance? You may have noticed I plagerize quite a bit especially if it's funny but alas I often forget it isn't so funny out of context.

Bankers throughout history have started and manipulated wars to increase wealth and power. They loan money to both sides and ching ching. Grandaddy Bush was part of that crowd. The small group of obsenely wealthy families known as the 1% have always been in control. They accumulate more wealth and power with each generation. The Rothschilds for example. They are often referred to as the Owners. A big interest they have is Eugenics, and were involved deeply involved in helping Hitler in his big Eugenics experimentation as well as all his crazy medical research; ie meth, mind control... after the war they cashed in and moved the Nazi Dr's and research to America. Hitler yes is ultimately responsible but it's not that simple.

I think Nam and Korea have been well discussed. The CIA which Bush Sr riegned over for the majority of his carreer but is seldom mentioned or acknolwedged used Sadam. He isn't innocent either but it's not that simple. He is one of many evil dictators the CIA supported and protected that got ultimately screwed.

This is my hypothesis on Bush Sr obeying the UN... we got embarressed in Nam. We were not vindicated in Korea. All our other aggressions however successful were in secret so no cred. (Iran, Central and South America) What better way to boost the population's faith and support of it's military than to win a war 150,000 deaths to 79 in only months by bombing the shit outa em? That's my generation and during the 90s those joining the military did so relatively confident of 4 peaceful years. When we invaded Afganastan and then Iraq the general belief was another Desert Storm. I don't find it farfetched that Bush Sr pulled out as strategy to build up the military having succeded in overshadowing the shame of Nam.

Afganastan was mainly to put in that nice pipeline that the Taliban refused. Iraq to funnel treasury money to Cheney's cronies and divert attention from the fact most named 911 terrorists were Saudi Arabian.

This is still a very simplified and inadequate response I feel but I hope I hit enough main points. Peace.

Mellowfarmer, thanks for the response. I will admit I didn't watch the video. I devour books, but long audio andor video presentations make me antsy.

As for your points, even a year ago I would have thought "tosh and codswollop". But now I'm not so cocksure anymore. An excellent rule of thumb is that almost all conspiracies collapse under the weight of the powerful human urge to boast, y'know, "I have a seeeeecret" kind of malarkey. But if everyone on the inside is auto-extorted by having tremendous wealth that is contingent only on allowing the game to continue ... perhaps not so impossible. I can't say ... which means I can't gainsay anymore either. The movie "Inside Job" opened my eyes to the power of part-conspiracy, part-media obfuscation, and part-unadorned denial. cn

cannabineer said:

Mellowfarmer, thanks for the response. I will admit I didn't watch the video. I devour books, but long audio andor video presentations make me antsy.

As for your points, even a year ago I would have thought "tosh and codswollop". But now I'm not so cocksure anymore. An excellent rule of thumb is that almost all conspiracies collapse under the weight of the powerful human urge to boast, y'know, "I have a seeeeecret" kind of malarkey. But if everyone on the inside is auto-extorted by having tremendous wealth that is contingent only on allowing the game to continue ... perhaps not so impossible. I can't say ... which means I can't gainsay anymore either. The movie "Inside Job" opened my eyes to the power of part-conspiracy, part-media obfuscation, and part-unadorned denial. cn

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Exactly. It isn't so hard to imagine the code of silence when discussing the mob is it? There really is no difference. Rat and you lose both property and life.

[video=youtube_share;gsMKMMlleOE]http://youtu.be/gsMKMMlleOE[/video]

I cannot find any major flaws in this upon my own independent research. I am very paranoid, I research everything lol, I wouldn't be shocked to learn the Owners are really pawns of some other force to divert our attention at this point. It is also hard to believe anything the government tells you when they continue the spit in your face propaganda on our sacred and beautiful plant and lock up people you know have done no harm without batting an eye. I bet they sleep like babies.


Whoops, you are a reader... will leave for others and the videos I mentioned I actually posted on the other forum that you helped me post. I understand your anstyness, they are really just 10min clips of stand up comedy on the subject, ignorance is bliss and laughing helps with the pain of its loss I find

[video=youtube_share;u4CQ_1GWn4w]http://youtu.be/u4CQ_1GWn4w[/video]

7 minutes of fact filled laughter on the first Gulf Conflict

[video=youtube_share;sDkhzHQO7jY]http://youtu.be/sDkhzHQO7jY[/video]

cannabineer said:

Mellowfarmer, thanks for the response. I will admit I didn't watch the video. I devour books, but long audio andor video presentations make me antsy.

As for your points, even a year ago I would have thought "tosh and codswollop". But now I'm not so cocksure anymore. An excellent rule of thumb is that almost all conspiracies collapse under the weight of the powerful human urge to boast, y'know, "I have a seeeeecret" kind of malarkey. But if everyone on the inside is auto-extorted by having tremendous wealth that is contingent only on allowing the game to continue ... perhaps not so impossible. I can't say ... which means I can't gainsay anymore either. The movie "Inside Job" opened my eyes to the power of part-conspiracy, part-media obfuscation, and part-unadorned denial. cn

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I watched it today. The infiltration of academia is a scary thing.

Yes, it's scary to think how well educated as a nation we are in misinformation.