Ron Paul for... Vice President?

[sync0s]

It's a fact that you're not very bright. You could say that the word "liberal" means something different today than it did 150 years ago but democrats are still the same and it's democrats that made liberal a dirty word.

Wow. Remarkable.

 

[UncleBuck]

In fact one could easily argue that modern democrats are *still* racist becasue they don't think "minorities" can make it on their owm merits.

acknowledging the sociological disadvantages facing minorities at every turn does not entail that we think minorities are unable to make it on their own, it is simply an acknowledgement of the sociological disadvantages that minorities face at every turn.

i am a tall white male, rather handsome, and with facial hair. each and every one of these factors has been shown to increase my odds of making it further in the world, fairly or not.

i acknowledge reality, i don't spin it for my advantage.

 

[UncleBuck]

The Fact that there is a lot of gay people is enough evidence to show that gay people are born that way...Who would choose to be gay? Perhaps a few but not many people would. There is also gay animals and gay people since the beginning of time. I remain thoroughly convinced that gay people are born that way. I have a gay sibling and I worked on porn websites for a long time and you would be surprised how many people are actually gay and you probably have no idea, it is easily 1 in every 10 people if not more. Why would so many people choose to be gay?

i have a few friends that are hardcore LGBTQ advocates. some make it a point of pride to say that they choose to be gay. why?

answer is because it should make no difference if you are born gay or choose to be gay. you are harming no one and simply askng for equal rights the same as everyone else in this world.

so yes, there are people who choose to be gay, and proudly so.

 

[SisterMaryElephant]

The Fact that there is a lot of gay people is enough evidence to show that gay people are born that way...Who would choose to be gay? Perhaps a few but not many people would. There is also gay animals and gay people since the beginning of time.

There are fewer "gays" than Conservatives or liberals. So if the amount of gay people means that it's geneitc then the amount of people with "political persuasions" would have to mean that it's genetic too. See how that works? The fact is, there really aren't that many gay people, 5% is not a big percentage.

 

[SisterMaryElephant]

Wow. Remarkable.

And true, unlike the stuff you post.

 

[deprave]

i acknowledge reality, i don't spin it for my advantage.

I know right? and he/she says I'm the intellectually dishonest one....this quote is simply amazing to say that Liberals haven't changed when they have clearly change dramatically. In fact its documented quite well exactly how they have changed, the old liberals are known as "Classic Liberals" and this actually transformed into libertarianism. Liberals today are a whole different thing then 200 years ago.

 

[UncleBuck]

I know right? and he/she says I'm the intellectually dishonest one....this quote is simply amazing to say that Liberals haven't changed when they have clearly change dramatically. In fact its documented quite well exactly how they have changed, the old liberals are known as "Classic Liberals" and this actually transformed into libertarianism. Liberals today are a whole different thing then 200 years ago.

most people have no idea what a classic liberal is.

i consider myself one, to some extent. yet i support and favor a robust social safety net as well. contradiction? sure. but it is what it is.

 

[sync0s]

i have a few friends that are hardcore LGBTQ advocates. some make it a point of pride to say that they choose to be gay. why?

answer is because it should make no difference if you are born gay or choose to be gay. you are harming no one and simply askng for equal rights the same as everyone else in this world.

so yes, there are people who choose to be gay, and proudly so.

I think the fact that homosexuality exists in other mammals, most notably our closest relative the bonobo monkeys, that it pretty much demonstrates that it isn't just a conscious choice that is involved.

Anyways, other than that, people are free to make their own personal choices no matter what they are. As long as it doesn't interfere in the rights of another, who is anybody else to judge?

 

[deprave]

And true, unlike the stuff you post.

No its not true....pickup an encyclopedia and read political philosophy section..you have no idea what your talking about about libertarians and now also apparently you know nothing about liberals. It seems you just made up your own political philosophy section...Socrates is a good start ...

 

[UncleBuck]

There are fewer "gays" than Conservatives or liberals. So if the amount of gay people means that it's geneitc then the amount of people with "political persuasions" would have to mean that it's genetic too. See how that works? The fact is, there really aren't that many gay people, 5% is not a big percentage.

you might want to check in with the people who conduct twin studies and the like.

it is clear that BOTH have a genetic component to them.

if you can refute their studies rather than provide anecdotal musings, i will have less doubts as to the veracity of your conclusions.

 

[UncleBuck]

I think the fact that homosexuality exists in other mammals, most notably our closest relative the bonobo monkeys, that it pretty much demonstrates that it isn't just a conscious choice that is involved.

i go further with it, and note that homosexuality occurs in just about every damn species in existence.

yet intolerance only occurs in one...

 

[SisterMaryElephant]

acknowledging the sociological disadvantages facing minorities at every turn does not entail that we think minorities are unable to make it on their own, it is simply an acknowledgement of the sociological disadvantages that minorities face at every turn.

i am a tall white male, rather handsome, and with facial hair. each and every one of these factors has been shown to increase my odds of making it further in the world, fairly or not.

i acknowledge reality, i don't spin it for my advantage.

Again, liberals claiming that "minorities" cant "make it" without special programs, rules. We Republicans say that everyone can make it, with the same rules.



"If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today." -- Thomas Sowell

“The assumption that spending more of the taxpayer's money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family- which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions- began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to "help."” -- Thomas Sowell

 

[UncleBuck]

and just to get this point in before i go to bed or start fapping....

homosexuality/heterosexuality is not an either/or proposition. it is a continuum.

i'd hate to leave bisexuals and genderqueers out of this educational conversation we seem to be having.

 

[deprave]

This is one of the reasons Dr Paul thinks that gay people are born that way, because of his medical background which clearly proved that they are indeed born that way sometime in the 80's or 90's, which includes some of the studies UncleBuck is writing of. Thus Dr Paul concludes that homosexuality is not a sin because we are all god's children in Christianity.

 

[UncleBuck]

Again, liberals claiming that "minorities" cant "make it" without special programs, rules. We Republicans say that everyone can make it, with the same rules.

i never claimed that minorities can't make it without special programs.

i do claim that in light of years of repression, slavery, jim crow laws, institutionalized discrimination, achievement gap, and the like that socioeconomic principles are a stacked deck against minorities. to deny such is to be willfully ignorant of the reality of the world we live in today.

besides, the cycle of poverty effects everyone. these "special programs" are not set up to help one minority or the other. in fact, the majority of those on fod stamps, welfare, and the like are white.

don't even get me started on CORPORATE welfare.

 

[SisterMaryElephant]

you might want to check in with the people who conduct twin studies and the like.

it is clear that BOTH have a genetic component to them.

if you can refute their studies rather than provide anecdotal musings, i will have less doubts as to the veracity of your conclusions.

I've always said that it's possible that some people are born gay but it's never been proven. Deprave denied that the political study COULD indicate a genetic predisposition based on how many gay people there are. I just pointed out that there are fewer gays people than people with a political disposition similar to their parents. It's not important whether or not people are born gay or to a certain political persuasion but it is debatable.

 

[UncleBuck]

This is one of the reasons Dr Paul thinks that gay people are born that way, because of his medical background which clearly proved that they are indeed born that way sometime in the 80's or 90's, which includes some of the studies UncleBuck is writing of. Thus Dr Paul concludes that homosexuality is not a sin because we are all god's children in Christianity.

i hate to shit on your salad, but ron paul has said some NASTY things before....

in his 1987 book, “Freedom Under Siege: The U.S. Constitution after 200-Plus Years.” That work — published under Paul’s name — attributed AIDS to the gay “lifestyle” and suggested that victims of sexual harassment should simply quit their jobs:

In one section of the book, Paul criticized people suffering from AIDS or other contagious diseases for demanding health insurance coverage. “The individual suffering from AIDS certainly is a victim – frequently a victim of his own lifestyle – but this same individual victimizes innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care,” Paul wrote. [...]
“Employee rights are said to be valid when employers pressure employees into sexual activity,” Paul wrote. “Why don’t they quit once the so-called harassment starts? Obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended, but how can the harassee escape some responsibility for the problem? Seeking protection under civil rights legislation is hardly acceptable.”​

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http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/12/30/395881/ron-paul-claimed-an-aids-patient-is-a-victim-of-his-own-lifestyle-in-1987-book/?mobile=nc

 

[UncleBuck]

I've always said that it's possible that some people are born gay but it's never been proven. Deprave denied that the political study COULD indicate a genetic predisposition based on how many gay people there are. I just pointed out that there are fewer gays people than people with a political disposition similar to their parents. It's not important whether or not people are born gay or to a certain political persuasion but it is debatable.

it's not debatable.

some people are born gay.

if you disagree, refute the various studies that show the certain genetic effect.

 

[deprave]

Dr Paul doesn't believe in special privileges and the government policing behavior because to often it is we who suffer in the loss of our liberties. Sexual harassment is a great example of this..If no violence has taken place he doesn't believe its the governments job to get involved or to be the judge of that.

Sexual harrasment is a tough one but the line has to be drawn..If a women is grabbed or assaulted then Ron Paul would think Police needed to be involved. If someone made a joke that was deemed offensive then he believes it is up to the individuals involved to work it out between themselves.

So this goes back to non aggression principle of non-violence.


Otherwise we get...Sexual Harassment Panda...

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[SisterMaryElephant]

i never claimed that minorities can't make it without special programs.

i do claim that in light of years of repression, slavery, jim crow laws, institutionalized discrimination, achievement gap, and the like that socioeconomic principles are a stacked deck against minorities. to deny such is to be willfully ignorant of the reality of the world we live in today.

besides, the cycle of poverty effects everyone. these "special programs" are not set up to help one minority or the other. in fact, the majority of those on fod stamps, welfare, and the like are white.

don't even get me started on CORPORATE welfare.

I don't think the American deck is stacked against minorities (it certainly was) but I couldn't guess regarding the whole "rest of the world." Liberal racism has certain made a number of minorities into "victicrats" but that really doesn't make the deck stacked against them, that's some people playing the victim card as an excuse. Perhaps liberals just *think* the "deck is stacked" because they think so little of minorties? Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder would agree with me...I believe.