Who's going to run is 2024, and who's going to win?
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Herb & Suds
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It's going to be Mr.Toads Wild Ride on steroids. I don't even want to look at this until later- too many things will occur to change the trajectory and looks right now (to me) like a jigsaw puzzle with the pieces scattered.
The dudes a grifter. He sells CBD oil.
Tommy Chongs CBD Oil..guarantees you to see UFOs..cures ass itch.
Dear God in Heaven..this is a two party system. Don't you get this part yet?
PJ Diaz
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And which party exactly do you see a "Cheney/Kissinger ticket" belonging to, which was the basis of my comment?
Also, the two party system has changed and evolved over the course of our history, and I refuse to accept that my only choice is to pick the lesser of two evils.
cannabineer
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Kissinger is turning 100 this year.
Roger A. Shrubber
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it's not your only choice..you can do nothing...or you can pick the lesser of two evils.
of course, one of the two evils is a LOT lesser than the other. It really shouldn't be a hard choice to make.
A. ignore both sides and hope they go away while your head is in the sand.
B. support the party that is trying to take rights away from everyone who doesn't think, act, look, and talk like them.
C. support the party that occasionally does something unpalatable, while trying to make the country a better place for all of the people in it.
seems like a pretty easy decision to make.
Peej..they are not the lesser of two evils..you had a say in this Left or Right to get a nominee. So far you have
How could you not want this guy?
Those old fucks at The Villages can't die soon enough..they wrecked Florida.
Not only that if you're in a Rightie Caucus state you get to choose over and over until you get one over 50%..they do it in a gymnasium for ease of re-seating after your loser choice.
Yes and what exactly happened to the party after John Adams' death and Federalist?
The low tax, small government model is not popular unless you consider the Supremes' stripping of rights, popular gamesmanship of the Right.
Voters hate your ideas and force feeding them to us while we're handcuffed behind our backs makes us hate the element even more. <Schuylaar spits it back out>.
Noticed they're set to 'can't we be friends' in my neck of the woods.
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PJ Diaz
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I will take option D, and (assuming that there is no candidate which I consider viable produced by either of the major parties) will vote for a third party or Independent candidate. Sure, you might consider it a "useless vote", but I see it to be no more wasted than any other sort of historical political protest, which took a long time to accomplish. Was Rosa Parks' refusal to sit in the back of the bus in 1955 a useless act, simply because the Civil Rights Act wasn't passed until nearly a decade later? Change takes time, and bigger changes take longer. Changing the lesser of the two evils system won't change in the next election cycle or two, but it may make progress. If everyone accepts stagnation into the two-party system, there will never be some other options. So, if anything you should be thanking me for cracking the doors open, rather than villainizing me for my rejection to support the lesser of two evils.
Roger A. Shrubber
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You put yourself in some pretty heady company....
You not voting is in no way analogous to Rosa Parks refusing to be treated like property any longer.
And yes, it is a useless act, in fact, it's worse than useless. If there clearly is a better, or even a "less worse" choice, then not taking that choice is failing to do damage control that was well within your means to do, and abrogates your "right" to complain about a situation...
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Rosa Parks was a huge activist and organizer..that one act on the bus was one of many. Learn her history. She was able to shine a light on Segregation by way of opportunity and careful planning.
I feel if we had Sanders that actually might have been possible- Democratic Socialist Party..we've been pulled so far Right..GOP is not Ronnie's party any more. I'm not understanding where you fall. Libertarian? Is my guess.
I don't see anyone villianizing you..we have strong opinion and so do you. That's why we're here with the rest of these fine people, bots. It's our passion and we are The New Framers now..Silents and Boomers are dying..we got the takeover..late 50s early 60s we need to be involved our vote is a huge block of people and we're our own lobby.
I thank you for cracking doors..it gives me good exercise..if you don't use it, you lose it
PJ Diaz
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I don't fall squarely into any of your defined parties. While I certainly empathize with many Libertarian principles, I definitely do not identify as one. I believe in social services too much to consider myself in the Libertarian camp. While I also support many aspects of Socialism, I also think that there's a point where it goes too far, and veers into an authoritarian lane, which is where the Dems seem to be now. I think that some of the fiscal ideas of conservatives make sense, they tend to take it too far, and are generally hypocritical in terms of their budgetary process; of course there's also the big issue of general xenophobia and 'isms ingrained withing the GOP, which I can not tolerate. If I was to identify with any party it would likely be either the Peace & Freedom Party or Green Party, but they need an intelligent charismatic leader to move one of those parties forward in a viable way. Honestly I don't think that would be too hard, if the right person was to lead the party. I'm not sure who that would be, and of course both the Dims and Repugs would combine forces to schmear that person out of existence however possible.
PJ Diaz
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I didn't say "not voting", I said voting third party. You still seem to think that we are stuck with only two options.
Fogdog
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As a young man, my dad left Florida and told me he felt that two thousand miles was a comfortable distance.
PJ Diaz
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