QAnon cultists get banned.

[TrippleDip]

Me: My theory rests on a multitude of people believing that people should be treated equally under the law and socially.

Translation: White entitlement is great. Everybody should have it. Why don't they just go out and work for it?

So you mean basically that non whites should expect superior treatment? The one thing that will unify this country is bringing everyone together as citizens subject to the same laws applied universally.

And yes people have to work for success, and it takes many generations. America doesn't have a race problem, it has an inner city violence and culture/gang problem. The fact that somalis and nigerians outperform white people after arriving here with nothing, having been ravaged by war and torn from everything they ever knew including their language and culture should prove this.

 

[TrippleDip]

Im sure a lot of our childhood was wildly different. Even though people are all made of the same stuff, we are shaped by our environments. Internet changed everything IMO, it just wasn't something that I really came in contact with until about 2006 when we got it at the store I managed.

It still blows my mind that there is a more than 15 year gap. I mean I expected so between countries but not within, maybe 5 years. Shouldn't be surprised, I don't think you are using chip cards yet? Contactless? That was early 2000s here.

 

[Fogdog]

Me: My theory rests on a multitude of people believing that people should be treated equally under the law and socially.


So you mean basically that non whites should expect superior treatment? The one thing that will unify this country is bringing everyone together as citizens subject to the same laws applied universally.

And yes people have to work for success, and it takes many generations. America doesn't have a race problem, it has an inner city violence and culture/gang problem. The fact that somalis and nigerians outperform white people after arriving here with nothing, having been ravaged by war and torn from everything they ever knew including their language and culture should prove this.

Your kind always say that.

What I said was you were enjoying your white entitlement so much that you don't understand why anybody can't have it.

It is quite understandable that your kind would be offended by that. After all, you didn't need to work for it. It was given to you. But you want to claim you "did it all yourself".

What we need to do is not tear you down but ensure everybody has the same opportunities you had. Including the ability to safely move about this society and other advantages white guys take for granted.

 

[hanimmal]

I guess it wasn't the rioters to blame for the burnings, the beatings, the killings, the lost private property and property values and investments, the fear of citizens to simply go out and walk in their own neighbourhoods?

Rioters sure, but not the protesters. The homegrown terrorists are the ones causing a majority of the violent acts to paint the peaceful protests as 'riots'.

Let me guess, Trump? J/K, I don't really want to talk about that buffoon. Personally I think biden is a better choice than clinton but that's all I'll say in that regard.

Who knows what would have happened if they had the decade long troll leading up to Biden.

And yes, I take comfort in knowing I am responsible for my life, that I will be treated as an equal and not differently based upon my skin colour, that my life will not be unexpectedly upended so long as I am following a basic legal code that is based in democracy and reflects the needs and wants of the people (you could argue it doesn't serve the people but legalization kinda proves you wrong, progress is slow and incremental). There's also the belief that people should be able to be able to exercise their basic human rights of association and expression. I like that one.

White privilege is a nice option in America.

I would love to hear who else could possibly be responsible for the pain and losses of, for example, the millions of people living in seattle right now, who just experienced mass violence and terrorism against them by a state sanctioned mob.

I would start with Trump's unleashing of his goons.

I would also love to hear the values you take comfort in.

Being a all around good person that is not blind to the inhuman way we have treated our fellow citizens and humans are a large part of the values that I have that comfort me.

Another thing that comforts me is that the hate and dishonesty that is being pumped out by people who want Trump re-elected always have lost. They have a very powerful weapon right now with the internet and a political party in power giving cover to them, but hate can only get you so far.

It still blows my mind that there is a more than 15 year gap. I mean I expected so between countries but not within, maybe 5 years. Shouldn't be surprised, I don't think you are using chip cards yet? Contactless? That was early 2000s here.

Are you pretending like as new technology became available I didn't pick up on it, just because I came late to the suburban white kid game? If not I really am not sure what you are talking about.

 

[TrippleDip]

Your kind always say that.

What I said was you were enjoying your white entitlement so much that you don't understand why anybody can't have it.

It is quite understandable that your kind would be offended by that. After all, you didn't need to work for it. It was given to you. But you want to claim you "did it all yourself".

What we need to do is not tear you down but ensure everybody has the same opportunities you had. Including the ability to safely move about this society and other advantages white guys take for granted.

I am black btw, and that is one of the reasons I am so upspoken about it. It sucks that your colleagues will never know if you were hired for your aptitude or for diversity. Diversity stops being a good metric for improvement as soon as it becomes a goal. People see the violence that's going on and it looks very very bad on all black people. This is like 1992 over again. Talk to some actual black people and they will tell you the same.

Also in my life I have experience way more racist shit with black people and almost zero with whites who just want to do whatever it is they are doing, if you can work with them great but too many of my (younger) black friends want to showboat all the time instead of doing stuff for cred.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I guess it wasn't the rioters to blame for the burnings, the beatings, the killings, the lost private property and property values and investments, the fear of citizens to simply go out and walk in their own neighbourhoods? Let me guess, Trump? J/K, I don't really want to talk about that buffoon. Personally I think biden is a better choice than clinton but that's all I'll say in that regard.

And yes, I take comfort in knowing I am responsible for my life, that I will be treated as an equal and not differently based upon my skin colour, that my life will not be unexpectedly upended so long as I am following a basic legal code that is based in democracy and reflects the needs and wants of the people (you could argue it doesn't serve the people but legalization kinda proves you wrong, progress is slow and incremental). There's also the belief that people should be able to be able to exercise their basic human rights of association and expression without the fear of violence. I like that one.

I would love to hear who else could possibly be responsible for the pain and losses of, for example, the millions of people living in seattle right now, who just experienced mass violence and terrorism against them by a state sanctioned mob.

I would also love to hear the values you take comfort in.

I wasn't gonna comment cause folks were having so much fun, but yer fucking delusional!

 

[Fogdog]

Rioters sure, but not the protesters. The homegrown terrorists are the ones causing a majority of the violent acts to paint the peaceful protests as 'riots'.

Who knows what would have happened if they had the decade long troll leading up to Biden.


White privilege is a nice option in America.


I would start with Trump's unleashing of his goons.

Being a all around good person that is not blind to the inhuman way we have treated our fellow citizens and humans are a large part of the values that I have that comfort me.

Another thing that comforts me is that the hate and dishonesty that is being pumped out by people who want Trump re-elected always have lost. They have a very powerful weapon right now with the internet and a political party in power giving cover to them, but hate can only get you so far.



Are you pretending like as new technology became available I didn't pick up on it, just because I came late to the suburban white kid game? If not I really am not sure what you are talking about.

That video is infuriating to me.

As the navy vet said, those goons will not face consequences for their actions though they should.

 

[hanimmal]

I am black btw, and that is one of the reasons I am so upspoken about it. It sucks that your colleagues will never know if you were hired for your aptitude or for diversity. Diversity stops being a good metric for improvement as soon as it becomes a goal. People see the violence that's going on and it looks very very bad on all black people. This is like 1992 over again. Talk to some actual black people and they will tell you the same.

Also in my life I have experience way more racist shit with black people and almost zero with whites who just want to do whatever it is they are doing, if you can work with them great but too many of my (younger) black friends want to showboat all the time instead of doing stuff for cred.

Im brown, but unless people know my full name I have passed as white enough to see how white people talk when they think they are talking to white people. Also my white grandpa was a strait up racist and I got to hear a lot of how he felt often.

Then going from living in a city that I was considered white to a rural town where I was not with just my Brown father gave me a lot of perspective. Especially getting to know the migrant workers whose kids were treated like shit by the community and constantly picked on in school.

Diversity should be natural, I agree with you there, but unfortunately if the person hiring has old world white male assumptions diversity isn't going to happen without a carrot/stick generally.

 

[Fogdog]

I am black btw, and that is one of the reasons I am so upspoken about it. It sucks that your colleagues will never know if you were hired for your aptitude or for diversity. Diversity stops being a good metric for improvement as soon as it becomes a goal. People see the violence that's going on and it looks very very bad on all black people. This is like 1992 over again. Talk to some actual black people and they will tell you the same.

Also in my life I have experience way more racist shit with black people and almost zero with whites who just want to do whatever it is they are doing, if you can work with them great but too many of my (younger) black friends want to showboat all the time instead of doing stuff for cred.

Horse shit.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

This Qnon thread was a great idea hanimmal

Shakes the nuts out of the trees like a strong breeze.

 

[TrippleDip]

Especially getting to know the migrant workers whose kids were treated like shit by the community and constantly picked on in school.

I can get on board with this one 100%, this is where racism exists today (as far as I see it), and I see it as extremely hurtful but not a barrier to success (unless you want to be the president but nobody wants that responsibility). I mostly want black america to get it together, put their criminals in jail and stop creating new criminals by making martyrs out of them. There is no systemic racism in America today preventing an african american from succeeding except what he has learned from the inner city.

Just because someone says racist shit doesn't mean they are prejudiced against an individual of that race once they meet face to face. There are also two small nitpicks with elderly racists, one is that the past was different, people held different views which are increasingly uncommon these days, not an excuse for holding those views now. The second is that if a prejudice arises due to prior experience, it's not really racism it's reality. There's a reason why stereotypes exist - it's because they are frequently true.

 

[TrippleDip]

I wasn't gonna comment cause folks were having so much fun, but yer fucking delusional!

There should be <sarcasm> and <hyperbole> tags on the internet similar to quote marks they'd get used so often.

Realize that half of what I say is in jest (at the replyee) or is hyperbolic. I assume your posts are as well because you say some extreme shit sometimes. I imagine we are both closer to center/hold fairly common and moderate views than we expect.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

There should be <sarcasm> and <hyperbole> tags on the internet similar to quote marks they'd get used so often.

Realize that half of what I say is in jest (at the replyee) or is hyperbolic. I assume your posts are as well because you say some extreme shit sometimes. I imagine we are both closer to center/hold fairly common and moderate views than we expect.

Not even close

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

There should be <sarcasm> and <hyperbole> tags on the internet similar to quote marks they'd get used so often.

Realize that half of what I say is in jest (at the replyee) or is hyperbolic. I assume your posts are as well because you say some extreme shit sometimes. I imagine we are both closer to center/hold fairly common and moderate views than we expect.

You must support reparations to african and native Americans for violations of treaties, the constitution and law, failing in it's LEGAL duty to protect ALL citizens. You must be a liberal, cause the US constitution is a liberal document, especially the bill of rights, welcome to the real LAW & ORDER CROWD, but only where it really counts. Well, if ya wanna be a liberal, ya came to the right place, cause I'm a card carrying patriotic one, but I define patriotism a bit different than most on the right.

Trump supporters are either racist fools or traitors and Trump is both.

 

[TrippleDip]

You must support reparations to african and native Americans for violations of treaties, the constitution and law, failing in it's LEGAL duty to protect ALL citizens

Were these reparations spelled out in the treaty under a section called 'part x violation of agreement'? </sarcasm>

People were harmed in the past, hundreds of years ago, not today. Look at the progress made, I think that society is better than ever in terms of providing quality of life and the ability to choose. I think that protecting all citizens NOW equally under the law is the best way forward, not harming some citizens because some people did bad things even before the country existed.

If you support reparations for blacks then you must also for natives and also for the irish and the chinese, etc. Basically everybody, nobody is living on ground that didn't house someone else before them. Native tribes didn't have neat little borders, they should all pay reparations to each other right? How about the science that says the original inhabitants that became native came from siberia and south east asia? We should declare allegiance to the russians and the japs immediately!

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

There should be <sarcasm> and <hyperbole> tags on the internet similar to quote marks they'd get used so often.

Realize that half of what I say is in jest (at the replyee) or is hyperbolic. I assume your posts are as well because you say some extreme shit sometimes. I imagine we are both closer to center/hold fairly common and moderate views than we expect.

Yer another guy who should have read the manual, never mind, it is not wasted on better minds.

Some fake news for ya since yer out of yer bubble temporarily. That wall of moms looks pretty intimidating to me, but I have a brain and enough of a heart to be able to use it. The dads will be next, then the retired generals.
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In pictures: 'Wall of Moms' joins Portland's anti-racism protests

The US mums were moved to act after watching images of federal officers on the streets of their city.

www.bbc.com

In pictures: 'Wall of Moms' joins Portland's anti-racism protests


Anti-racism protests have been taking place in Portland, Oregon, for almost two months - but in recent days they have been joined by a growing number of "moms".

The "Wall of Moms" - as they have been dubbed - have been acting as a human shield between the protesters and the federal officers sent in to disperse them.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Were these reparations spelled out in the treaty under a section called 'part x violation of agreement'? </sarcasm>

People were harmed in the past, hundreds of years ago, not today. Look at the progress made, I think that society is better than ever in terms of providing quality of life and the ability to choose. I think that protecting all citizens NOW equally under the law is the best way forward, not harming some citizens because some people did bad things even before the country existed.

If you support reparations for blacks then you must also for natives and also for the irish and the chinese, etc. Basically everybody, nobody is living on ground that didn't house someone else before them. Native tribes didn't have neat little borders, they should all pay reparations to each other right? How about the science that says the original inhabitants that became native came from siberia and south east asia? We should declare allegiance to the russians and the japs immediately!

Ah so you want to debate, figure ya got the moral high ground here.
Well, ever since the amendment to the US constitution and manumation, they became US citizens and the first responsibility of such a constituted government is the protection of all citizens, even though it might be run by racists, ya signed on for liberty and the ride ain't over yet. Much territory from spain was absorbed into the US, these people did not immigrate they were there already and have historical, human, civil and linguistic rights too! America will become a bilingual country like Canada is with French! Wonderful for the culture, enriches things tremendously. Just like African Americans have done for American culture, almost all the great modern music has its roots there and from africa, people who are good at music are also good at math BTW.

 

[hanimmal]

I can get on board with this one 100%, this is where racism exists today (as far as I see it), and I see it as extremely hurtful but not a barrier to success (unless you want to be the president but nobody wants that responsibility).

I think the slight difference is I look at it as 'not being a barrier' is not the same as 'as easily attained by everyone'.

We need to get to where everyone is able to take advantage of all the hard work it took to get us to where we are at.

I mostly want black america to get it together, put their criminals in jail and stop creating new criminals by making martyrs out of them. There is no systemic racism in America today preventing an african american from succeeding except what he has learned from the inner city.

Right, but that is the issue that needs to get overcome. We kept the majority of the minorities in small pockets until far too recently for our cities to be able to achieve high enough economic status to get a home in traditionally white only areas. So these communities have been held out of a lot of the generational wealth that our country build up post ww2 until very recently.

The systemic racism is the fact that we have a 'inner-city' in the first place. All stick and no carrot is not good for the overall health of a society.

Just because someone says racist shit doesn't mean they are prejudiced against an individual of that race once they meet face to face.

I dont agree, but will concede I understand your point.

I would just say that the trolling has caused people to act like they are always not face to face when they communicate online. And it carries over into the real world as they radicalize themselves.

There are also two small nitpicks with elderly racists, one is that the past was different, people held different views which are increasingly uncommon these days, not an excuse for holding those views now. The second is that if a prejudice arises due to prior experience, it's not really racism it's reality. There's a reason why stereotypes exist - it's because they are freq

Were these reparations spelled out in the treaty under a section called 'part x violation of agreement'? </sarcasm>

People were harmed in the past, hundreds of years ago, not today. Look at the progress made, I think that society is better than ever in terms of providing quality of life and the ability to choose. I think that protecting all citizens NOW equally under the law is the best way forward, not harming some citizens because some people did bad things even before the country existed.

How much of that harm is still seen in our inner city school systems? The lead pipes/paint/asbestos/firework fallout/other toxic pollution left in them from the white people that fled the cities to become the new landowners.

And the 'harming citizens' is where you are leaving reality. Nobody is being harmed because money is being invested in communities that are in need. And things like red-lining (even if through lending opportunities) and job discrimination was easily going on into the 80's.

Thinking that somehow that would lead to generational wealth building needed to as a society overcome the government sanctioned imbalances in that short amount of time is not accurate.

uently true.

It is mostly a problem when you get a bunch of drunk/crackhead racist and that one special idiot in the group takes it too far.

The other nitpick is that laws have been made by Wealthy White Heterosexual Male only agenda for so long that have used stereotypes to paint anything not in their agenda as some sort of '-ism', that the system itself has not been allowed to fix the imbalances in our society.

If you support reparations for blacks then you must also for natives and also for the irish and the chinese, etc. Basically everybody, nobody is living on ground that didn't house someone else before them. Native tribes didn't have neat little borders, they should all pay reparations to each other right? How about the science that says the original inhabitants that became native came from siberia and south east asia? We should declare allegiance to the russians and the japs immediately!

Irish as far as I know never were unable to vote, and were able to blend into the 'American' population inside of a generation.

We slaughtered the natives to the point that we have treaties with the few that are left that we should honor. And they were also mistreated in ways that still profoundly impacts them to this day. It is just weird that people pretend it is not the case.

And the 'japs' thing is pretty shitty thing to say.

 

[TrippleDip]

Ah so you want to debate

I will say I am enjoying the conversation and perspective.

America will become a bilingual country like Canada is with French! Wonderful for the culture, enriches things tremendously. Just like African Americans have done for American culture

Nothing but agreement. Unfortunately we are headed to speaking spanish as a second or third language here - not unfortunate if it's more popular really, just a shame there are no french gangs to popularize the french language, but that's just my preference.

The "Wall of Moms"

Hamas hides behind the innocent as well. What's your point? They can be misguided also, such as by social pressures.

 

[UncleBuck]

I guess it wasn't the rioters to blame for the burnings, the beatings, the killings, the lost private property and property values and investments, the fear of citizens to simply go out and walk in their own neighbourhoods? Let me guess, Trump? J/K, I don't really want to talk about that buffoon. Personally I think biden is a better choice than clinton but that's all I'll say in that regard.

And yes, I take comfort in knowing I am responsible for my life, that I will be treated as an equal and not differently based upon my skin colour, that my life will not be unexpectedly upended so long as I am following a basic legal code that is based in democracy and reflects the needs and wants of the people (you could argue it doesn't serve the people but legalization kinda proves you wrong, progress is slow and incremental). There's also the belief that people should be able to be able to exercise their basic human rights of association and expression without the fear of violence. I like that one.

I would love to hear who else could possibly be responsible for the pain and losses of, for example, the millions of people living in seattle right now, who just experienced mass violence and terrorism against them by a state sanctioned mob.

I would also love to hear the values you take comfort in.

how many millions of people do you think live within an area of a couple blocks in seattle, retard?