QAnon cultists get banned.

TrippleDip said:

Replying to everyone that thinks the enforcement of the law will reduce his support.

I disagree, remember when they made the announcement that they redesigned the CHAZ barricades, there was a news article stating that now 5000 more residents could access their homes by car! That's insane. Regular taxpaying citizens like law and order and hate rioting which decreases their property values (investments) and threatens their business. The silent majority will be swayed to trumps side by the simple enforcement of the law nothing more. People can see that the democrats are more interested in creating an image and protecting individual groups of people (who they claim are so different from normal people they cannot manage to take care of themselves even with many many hands extended to help them, but I don't buy it because I'm not racist) than actually governing and doing what's right for the country and the people as a whole (taking a knee, etc.) Just my 2c.

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Your theory rests on the belief that there is a wellspring of heretofore unheard from silent majority who thirst for Trump's ineptitude. Even you must admit that an argument resting on an invisible and unmeasured and undetected "silent majority" sounds dodgy. Don't you?


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The theory rests on the belief that polls in 2016 seriously undercounted Trump's voters because they were shy or reluctant to reveal to others that they held unpopular opinions. Oh the pain!!! The abused white man was hiding his preference for Trump because he was browbeaten and afraid. Like, when was that ever true? That theory is debunked here:


if the theory is right, we would have expected to see Trump outperform his polls the most in places where he is least popular — and where the stigma against admitting support for Trump would presumably be greatest.

Turns out the opposite was true. Forecasts were best in areas where Trump was mostly unpopular. In other words, Trump's voters stuck out their chest and spoke the truth about their choice in 2016 in the most liberal areas. The errors in estimating Trump's results were in areas where Trump won with 60% margins. The fact of the matter is, there was a large number of undecided voters who broke for Trump at the last minute in a close election. It wasn't shy Trump supporters but people who simply couldn't decide between two awful candidates (awful to them). There isn't a large group of undecided voters this time around. Also, it isn't even close this time around. Also Biden isn't Clinton but Trump is most definitely more Trumpian than he was in 2016.

So, your argument rests on unsupported belief and not something that is likely to be true.

TrippleDip said:

Usenet - established in 1980, designed in the 70s TYVM. A huge part of many peoples youth. The first social network? Provided by the internet providers for free to everyone that had a computer worldwide. Unfiltered, untrackable, perfection.

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Thank your parents for 1. Living somewhere you had internet access in your home (and willingness to pay whatever the phone bill was for it back then), and 2. Having a high enough income to buy you guys a computer for you to use.

TrippleDip said:

It is hard to believe. Here even the elementary schools (K-6) got computer labs between 97 and 99, not sure exactly. But I will say that my recent views of the education system in rural NH and VT were jaw dropping. I guess that's what happens when people aren't forced to pay collectively. I think they could do real good with their schools if only they could keep the people with talent. Brain drain is a big problem for rural communities as it is for foreign cities.

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Yeah, elementary school, but all those years before those kids graduated, they were playing with computers that outside of some typing tutorials wasn't available until just after I left high school. Anyone 97 and earlier didn't have much exposure to computers and non-local phone calls in my house were a non starter the first phone bill after my first girlfriend was delivered.

No need to argue over when the internet or social media started because I used the word "few". Which is defined as "a small number of". There is no actual number assigned the the word.

UncleBuck said:

the term "social media" didn't even exist until 1995 you retard.

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I guess all those tens of thousands gathering to be social on the medium of the internet doesn't count because the word didn't exist. Protip, usually words are coined after the existence of a new thing, not before.

cowboylogic said:

No need to argue over when the internet or social media started because I used the word "few". Which is defined as "a small number of". There is no actual number assigned the the word.

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a few is three. three decades ago. that's when you said you predicted social media would doom us.

if you meant one decade you'd have said a decade. if you meant two decades you'd have said a couple.

i guess when playing the victim and rewriting history doesn't work, just try to change the meaning of the language. fucking smart. just jenius level stuff.

TrippleDip said:

I guess all those tens of thousands gathering to be social on the medium of the internet doesn't count because the word didn't exist. Protip, usually words are coined after the existence of a new thing, not before.

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sorry your attempts at rewriting history are going so poorly, tripledipshit.

let this be a lesson about not tying your horse to the wrong wagon.

UncleBuck said:

facebook, which was basically the start of social media, didn't exist until around the year 2000. twitter was 2008.

@cowboylogic predicted they would destroy us in 1990.

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And for the first few years you needed a school email for Facebook.

I would actually like to see those twins who he stole it from to make a comeback trashing him and how he has allowed Facebook to become a tool of foreign militaries.

hanimmal said:

I really hope you are right, but this is how I feel at this point.

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Lulz. I was alone that night. Wife was house-sitting for a friend in a remote area, no phone. I just sat there watching fascism take hold of the US. It was one of those moments that was so bad, I didn't even feel like drowning my sorrows with booze or weed. I just went to bed.

And woke up to a Trump presidency.

For the record, a black friend of mine is convinced that Trump will win this time too. "I can't believe this country is so racist" would have brought a laugh from him.

I posted this a few posts prior to this one but it's relevant.


A recent Monmouth poll showed that a majority of Pennsylvanians — 57 percent — believe there are “secret” voters in their communities who support Trump but won’t tell anyone about it. In this installment of the FiveThirtyEight Politics podcast, the crew explains why that is unlikely.

They say the difference was in the candidates, not the polls. Clinton is not Biden and a large number of undecided voters broke for Trump because, well, misogyny and the stiff, unpersonal nature of Clinton. Trump simply can't attack Biden the way he did Clinton. What else does he have?

Fogdog said:

They say the difference was in the candidates, not the polls. Clinton is not Biden and a large number of undecided voters broke for Trump because, well, misogyny and the stiff, unpersonal nature of Clinton. Trump simply can't attack Biden the way he did Clinton. What else does he have?

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hanimmal said:

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OK, so, in 2016, that gave Trump a nudge. If it's close, the same applies. Democrats have to win by a lot more than the margins they had in 2016. Right now, Trump is losing by a lot more than that.

Fogdog said:

OK, so, in 2016, that gave Trump a nudge. If it's close, the same applies. Democrats have to win by a lot more than the margins they had in 2016. Right now, Trump is losing by a lot more than that.

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The strongest argument that I think I have seen against Trump, is as much as he gaslights about what Biden is going to do, this is Trump's America.



I really hope that the polls are correct. The main thing that I worry is how the virus impacts the election along with all the voter suppression tactics the Republicans are pushing. I have hope, but not faith.

hanimmal said:

The strongest argument that I think I have seen against Trump, is as much as he gaslights about what Biden is going to do, this is Trump's America.

I really hope that the polls are correct. The main thing that I worry is how the virus impacts the election along with all the voter suppression tactics the Republicans are pushing. I have hope, but not faith.

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I just have my reasons. I check them as news arrives to see if they still hold. That crap in the picture above? It's not going to move the needle for Trump IMO. Won't lose support for Trump but it's very bad optics and a lot of conservatives dislike the idea of Trump's tactics too.

For the record, as the election day approached, I was really, really nervous about Trump winning in 2016. I am not right now. Just before the 2016 election, 538 came out with odds of Trump winning at 30%. People point at that as if it was a failure in the polls. 30% odds are pretty good. I was happy that Clinton had 70% odds and willing to go to an Election night party held by our local Democratic party chapter. I said so at the time. Still though, 30% odds for Trump were hardly decisive against him. I dished out early.

hanimmal said:

and non-local phone calls in my house were a non starter the first phone bill after my first girlfriend was delivered.

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Lmao, I think everyone in these generations have had that experience. My parents got a $1500 phone bill and had to fight the company to get it reduced to several hundred.

hanimmal said:

2. Having a high enough income to buy you guys a computer for you to use.

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Very few of my friends experienced that. When I was 12 or 13 I wanted a computer and my parents told me to get a job. Fortunately it was only a couple paper routes for a month to afford a motherboard, a brand spanking new pentium 3, a used 10g hdd, and a used 64 meg of ram. No way I could afford to buy a prebuilt computer, much less windows or any software, hence linux and usenet. Does anyone remember the chaos that was alt.binaries?

ALL my friends either went this route or waited until the 00s to connect.

hanimmal said:

they were playing with computers that outside of some typing tutorials wasn't available

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Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego, crosscountry usa, oregon trail, those are all 80s games. Not to mention jeopardy and wheel of fortune and indiana jones, all of which I had on 5 1/4 floppy and were educational, ie you could get them from the library. Also those 500 game cds were ubiquitous in the 90s.

Fogdog said:

theory rests on the belief that there is a wellspring of heretofore unheard from silent majority who thirst for Trump's ineptitude.

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My theory rests on a multitude of people that just want to improve their lives without having rioters burn down their family business or destroy their property values or simply make it unsafe to go outside.

My theory rests on a multitude of people believing that people should be treated equally under the law and socially.

My theory rest on a multitude of people believing that the system works but can be improved - that gradual improvement is the path to greatness as it has been for the last few thousand years, maybe forever.

Seems like a safe bet. People won't be called racist inside the polling booth. People wont be fired for voting for what they believe in even if they will for wearing a red hat.

TrippleDip said:

Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego, crosscountry usa, oregon trail, those are all 80s games. Not to mention jeopardy and wheel of fortune and indiana jones, all of which I had on 5 1/4 floppy and were educational, ie you could get them from the library. Also those 500 game cds were ubiquitous in the 90s.

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Im sure a lot of our childhood was wildly different. Even though people are all made of the same stuff, we are shaped by our environments. Internet changed everything IMO, it just wasn't something that I really came in contact with until about 2006 when we got it at the store I managed.

TrippleDip said:

My theory rests on a multitude of people that just want to improve their lives without having rioters burn down their family business or destroy their property values or simply make it unsafe to go outside.

My theory rests on a multitude of people believing that people should be treated equally under the law and socially.

My theory rest on a multitude of people believing that the system works but can be improved - that gradual improvement is the path to greatness as it has been for the last few thousand years, maybe forever.

Seems like a safe bet. People won't be called racist inside the polling booth. People wont be fired for voting for what they believe in even if they will for wearing a red hat.

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The only problem I have is where you seem to lay blame and where you find comfort.

hanimmal said:

Thank your parents for 1. Living somewhere you had internet access in your home (and willingness to pay whatever the phone bill was for it back then), and 2. Having a high enough income to buy you guys a computer for you to use.



Yeah, elementary school, but all those years before those kids graduated, they were playing with computers that outside of some typing tutorials wasn't available until just after I left high school. Anyone 97 and earlier didn't have much exposure to computers and non-local phone calls in my house were a non starter the first phone bill after my first girlfriend was delivered.

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So deep is the conditioning that not many use long distance even though it is free, I feel it myself. Cell phones and digital cameras are the same way for those who grew up with film, why not take a hundred shots or a video and capture stills? Conditioning and it goes real deep, to our core, you condition your dog, but he conditions you and gets what he wants! Ditto for cats, you don't need to be smart to manipulate, yer Dog and Donald prove it daily!

Though yer dog actually loves you.

TrippleDip said:

My theory rests on a multitude of people that just want to improve their lives without having rioters burn down their family business or destroy their property values or simply make it unsafe to go outside.

My theory rests on a multitude of people believing that people should be treated equally under the law and socially.

My theory rest on a multitude of people believing that the system works but can be improved - that gradual improvement is the path to greatness as it has been for the last few thousand years, maybe forever.

Seems like a safe bet. People won't be called racist inside the polling booth. People wont be fired for voting for what they believe in even if they will for wearing a red hat.

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Translation: White entitlement is great. Everybody should have it. Why don't they just go out and work for it?

hanimmal said:

only problem I have is where you seem to lay blame and where you find comfort.

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I guess it wasn't the rioters to blame for the burnings, the beatings, the killings, the lost private property and property values and investments, the fear of citizens to simply go out and walk in their own neighbourhoods? Let me guess, Trump? J/K, I don't really want to talk about that buffoon. Personally I think biden is a better choice than clinton but that's all I'll say in that regard.

And yes, I take comfort in knowing I am responsible for my life, that I will be treated as an equal and not differently based upon my skin colour, that my life will not be unexpectedly upended so long as I am following a basic legal code that is based in democracy and reflects the needs and wants of the people (you could argue it doesn't serve the people but legalization kinda proves you wrong, progress is slow and incremental). There's also the belief that people should be able to be able to exercise their basic human rights of association and expression without the fear of violence. I like that one.

I would love to hear who else could possibly be responsible for the pain and losses of, for example, the millions of people living in seattle right now, who just experienced mass violence and terrorism against them by a state sanctioned mob.

I would also love to hear the values you take comfort in.