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hanimmal

hanimmal

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schuylaar said:
friend, we are way past what you are suggesting.

citation: senate portion of impeachment- no witnesses; no documents.

we're on the road to full-on dictatorship...Secret Police?
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Currently. I am hoping that the reasoning behind states holding their own elections holds up and Trump is gone in January. That was just a idea of how to stop it from happening again. Our government elected officials have lost their right to lie to us.

But yeah I really don't see it happening either, we are basically doing a social experiment of achieving 'herd immunity' with this propaganda warfare with zero (visible) intervention from the institutions that are supposed to protect us.
 
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schuylaar

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hanimmal said:
Currently. I am hoping that the reasoning behind states holding their own elections holds up and Trump is gone in January. That was just a idea of how to stop it from happening again. Our government elected officials have lost their right to lie to us.

But yeah I really don't see it happening either, we are basically doing a social experiment of achieving 'herd immunity' with this propaganda warfare with zero (visible) intervention from the institutions that are supposed to protect us.
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Joe Biden said any trespassers in the WH on 1/21, will be escorted off property..this was a few days ago during your electric outage.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
friend, we are way past what you are suggesting..you're just closing the barn door and that horse is miles away.

citation: senate portion of impeachment- no witnesses; no documents.

we're on the road to full-on dictatorship...Secret Police?
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nope

not dead yet. IMO

My prediction: Trump is going to totally fuck up in Portland and discredit his administration even more.
Your prediction: Trump is winning with his strategy of sending secret police into blue cities.

Predicting the future is hard. Mark Twain said something like that. As an indicator, I'll use five-thirty-eight 's presidential approval tracker. If it ticks up and approaches 50% approval, I'll concede that you were right.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Right now, Trump sits at 40.3% approval. It declined precipitously after the murder of George Floyd. Just saying there is a lot of ground to cover before Trump can begin to think about a hostile take-over of govt.

He doesn't have the military behind him.
He doesn't have control of the courts.
He doesn't have control of Congress (thank you 2018
He doesn't have control of the media.
He doesn't have the majority of the people behind him.

He isn't in position to do what you say. I'm not saying he won't try. Portland is his trial balloon for using a law and order type of campaign. I think he's going to get bogged down and egg will be on his face over this by middle of August. His approval numbers will decline even more as a result.
I don't have the false sense of conviction that you do. Still, that's my take on what will happen. I'm worried but optimistic.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
nope

not dead yet. IMO

My prediction: Trump is going to totally fuck up in Portland and discredit his administration even more.
Your prediction: Trump is winning with his strategy of sending secret police into blue cities.

Predicting the future is hard. Mark Twain said something like that. As an indicator, I'll use five-thirty-eight 's presidential approval tracker. If it ticks up and approaches 50% approval, I'll concede that you were right.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Right now, Trump sits at 40.3% approval. It declined precipitously after the murder of George Floyd. Just saying there is a lot of ground to cover before Trump can begin to think about a hostile take-over of govt.

He doesn't have the military behind him.
He doesn't have control of the courts.
He doesn't have control of Congress (thank you 2018
He doesn't have control of the media.
He doesn't have the majority of the people behind him.

He isn't in position to do what you say. I'm not saying he won't try. Portland is his trial balloon for using a law and order type of campaign. I think he's going to get bogged down and egg will be on his face over this by middle of August. His approval numbers will decline even more as a result.
I don't have the false sense of conviction that you do. Still, that's my take on what will happen. I'm worried but optimistic.
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If the rumors he is moving his gestapo to Chicago are true, and threatening other Democratic cities like Detroit and New York, I wouldn't bet any particular outcome. The minority communities are pretty tight and as bad as the gangs can be, they are still a lot of people's family and you know they won't discriminate gang members from outraged family members. This is one of the last chances he will have to not end up with this getting as bad as it can be.
 
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schuylaar

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hanimmal said:
If the rumors he is moving his gestapo to Chicago are true, and threatening other Democratic cities like Detroit and New York, I wouldn't bet any particular outcome. The minority communities are pretty tight and as bad as the gangs can be, they are still a lot of people's family and you know they won't discriminate gang members from outraged family members. This is one of the last chances he will have to not end up with this getting as bad as it can be.
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it's not rumors, he announced it and i posted the article a few days ago..he gave the list of cities..he's not very good at war.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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schuylaar said:
it's not rumors, he announced it and i posted the article a few days ago..he gave the list of cities..he's not very good at war.
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But he is good at trolling. Even if he doesn't do it, it is the threat that creates enough chaos for the assholes to slip in and cause violence in these neighborhoods.

All he needs is to create cover for Trump TV to show the violence happening nonstop scaring all those suburban families whose idiot kids are the ones making the messes. This isn't necessarily war by him, but it is defiantly his re-election campaign.

Russia is currently active in a war with us however. Who knows what they have on Trump.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
If the rumors he is moving his gestapo to Chicago are true, and threatening other Democratic cities like Detroit and New York, I wouldn't bet any particular outcome. The minority communities are pretty tight and as bad as the gangs can be, they are still a lot of people's family and you know they won't discriminate gang members from outraged family members. This is one of the last chances he will have to not end up with this getting as bad as it can be.
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I'm not understanding your last sentence. If he rolls this out to other cities, he's not only going to have large and stiff resistance but we'll be treated to yet another round of videos showing his ICE agents beating people only this time with large numbers of black people in the crowd. Also, the targeted cities will be ready for them.

My prediction, and that's all it is, Trump's disapproval numbers will creep up and his approval number will drop if he rolls out his Storm Troopers into other cities. Due to its mostly white demographic and strongly held liberal views, Portland is fairly safe for him to attack. Even so, it doesn't sound as if he's stumbled into a winning strategy. Not from what I'm seeing in mainstream media.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
I'm not understanding your last sentence. If he rolls this out to other cities, he's not only going to have large and stiff resistance but we'll be treated to yet another round of videos showing his ICE agents beating people only this time with large numbers of black people in the crowd. Also, the targeted cities will be ready for them.
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Fair enough, I think I might have made a mental leap and not actually mentioned it in the post. I don't trust Trump to not use this (assuming he actually has his goon squad on the streets of Chicago) as a way to try to round up brown people in large sweeps.

His army of online crazies can use any protests to scare people enough on Fox and hate radio combined with the constant spam of directed internet propaganda to blend in with all the people that are rightly outraged by what is going on.

If he does that, I don't think I could guess at how everything would unfold in a place like Chicago which has for real violent people who live in these communities and have family and friends there.

I hope that Trump is just saber rattling, but it is impossible to know until what happens happens.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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TrippleDip said:
You mean none of you were on usenet in the 90s? I don't believe it, I assume most of you are older than me. Surely we chatted on alt.chem before UB
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The school I went to were just getting computer labs the year after I graduated, believe it or not, but a lot of people were not really getting online much prior to 2006ish that I knew.

Rural America really does have different set of issues, internet access is/was one of the big ones.
 
TrippleDip

TrippleDip

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Replying to everyone that thinks the enforcement of the law will reduce his support.

I disagree, remember when they made the announcement that they redesigned the CHAZ barricades, there was a news article stating that now 5000 more residents could access their homes by car! That's insane. Regular taxpaying citizens like law and order and hate rioting which decreases their property values (investments) and threatens their business. The silent majority will be swayed to trumps side by the simple enforcement of the law nothing more. People can see that the democrats are more interested in creating an image and protecting individual groups of people (who they claim are so different from normal people they cannot manage to take care of themselves even with many many hands extended to help them, but I don't buy it because I'm not racist) than actually governing and doing what's right for the country and the people as a whole (taking a knee, etc.) Just my 2c.
 
TrippleDip

TrippleDip

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UncleBuck said:
when playing the victim doesn’t work I guess you can always rewrite history
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Usenet - established in 1980, designed in the 70s TYVM. A huge part of many peoples youth. The first social network? Provided by the internet providers for free to everyone that had a computer worldwide. Unfiltered, untrackable, perfection.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
Fair enough, I think I might have made a mental leap and not actually mentioned it in the post. I don't trust Trump to not use this (assuming he actually has his goon squad on the streets of Chicago) as a way to try to round up brown people in large sweeps.

His army of online crazies can use any protests to scare people enough on Fox and hate radio combined with the constant spam of directed internet propaganda to blend in with all the people that are rightly outraged by what is going on.

If he does that, I don't think I could guess at how everything would unfold in a place like Chicago which has for real violent people who live in these communities and have family and friends there.

I hope that Trump is just saber rattling, but it is impossible to know until what happens happens.
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Maybe I'm naive. Some would say probably.

I look at 40% approval and 53% disapproval and can't see those numbers as something his "online crazies" can surmount. Everything I've seen about voter suppression, Russian tolls, FOX News and so forth says those are all nudges but not huge movers in public sentiment or votes that favor Trump. Over a short time frame they can only nudge. Over long periods of time with little opposition, propaganda has proven to be able to change the mindset of an entire society. Trump has had four years to shift sentiment and it's gone down, not up this year. Now, with only 14 weeks to go, Trump is in a 13% hole (he's digging next to DIY, LOL).

If he election is a squeaker then advantage Trump. Not saying its over but things have got to change fast. What's the path for him to change our minds?
 
TrippleDip

TrippleDip

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hanimmal said:
The school I went to were just getting computer labs the year after I graduated, believe it or not, but a lot of people were not really getting online much prior to 2006ish that I knew.

Rural America really does have different set of issues, internet access is/was one of the big ones.
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It is hard to believe. Here even the elementary schools (K-6) got computer labs between 97 and 99, not sure exactly. But I will say that my recent views of the education system in rural NH and VT were jaw dropping. I guess that's what happens when people aren't forced to pay collectively. I think they could do real good with their schools if only they could keep the people with talent. Brain drain is a big problem for rural communities as it is for foreign cities.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
Maybe I'm naive. Some would say probably.

I look at 40% approval and 53% disapproval and can't see those numbers as something his "online crazies" can surmount. Everything I've seen about voter suppression, Russian tolls, FOX News and so forth says those are all nudges but not huge movers in public sentiment or votes that favor Trump. Over a short time frame they can only nudge. Over long periods of time with little opposition, propaganda has proven to be able to change the mindset of an entire society. Trump has had four years to shift sentiment and it's gone down, not up this year. Now, with only 14 weeks to go, Trump is in a 13% hole (he's digging next to DIY, LOL).

If he election is a squeaker then advantage Trump. Not saying its over but things have got to change fast. What's the path for him to change our minds?
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I really hope you are right, but this is how I feel at this point.
 
UncleBuck

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hanimmal said:
The school I went to were just getting computer labs the year after I graduated, believe it or not, but a lot of people were not really getting online much prior to 2006ish that I knew.

Rural America really does have different set of issues, internet access is/was one of the big ones.
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facebook, which was basically the start of social media, didn't exist until around the year 2000. twitter was 2008.

@cowboylogic predicted they would destroy us in 1990.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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TrippleDip said:
Usenet - established in 1980, designed in the 70s TYVM. A huge part of many peoples youth. The first social network? Provided by the internet providers for free to everyone that had a computer worldwide. Unfiltered, untrackable, perfection.
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the term "social media" didn't even exist until 1995 you retard.
 
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