Northern Iraq falls to Al Qaeda, $400 million looted from central bank.

[DonAlejandroVega]

Hey Don, the first passage you mention I believe was in context of their war against their oppressors in Mecca. After ten years of persecution Muslims were finally allowed to fight back against them but within guidelines. It certainly isn't a blanket law for all non-muslims...& anyone who takes a bit of time to read it will know. Your second passage again probably refers to the war against their oppressors once more & certainly isn't a call to kill non-muslims. the translation also seems a bit over the top. Do u think quakers & muslim extremist would get on? lol

its a cancer..........chemo......followed by radiation.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

 

[Zaycor]

Yeah its shit...why can't people just take a step back, chill out & get on with with

 

[londonfog]

The very reason why I retired from the USAF was the war in Iraq. Bush was an idiot and it still shows to this very day. Never should have removed Saddam. Now look at this clusterfuck.

 

[ginwilly]

The very reason why I retired from the USAF was the war in Iraq. Bush was an idiot and it still shows to this very day. Never should have removed Saddam. Now look at this clusterfuck.

I'm glad the genocidal lunatic is dead, but would have rather seen a Bin Laden type strike instead of a full scale invasion. Not as profitable though.

Seal team should have taken him out, let some crazy Jihadist faction take credit and move on with our lives. We shouldn't allow people to mass murder by the 100's of thousands, but we shouldn't invade the country because of him/her.

Granted, we caused destabilization by taking out Saddam, but what he was doing should never have been allowed. No easy answers other than removal from society.

 

[NLXSK1]

The very reason why I retired from the USAF was the war in Iraq. Bush was an idiot and it still shows to this very day. Never should have removed Saddam. Now look at this clusterfuck.

If Obama had left some troops in Iraq then this would not have happened at this time.

I agree that we never should have gone into Iraq in the first place but is this the best way to have ended it?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Summary executions in mosul's streets.
*sigh*

 

[londonfog]

I'm glad the genocidal lunatic is dead, but would have rather seen a Bin Laden type strike instead of a full scale invasion. Not as profitable though.

Seal team should have taken him out, let some crazy Jihadist faction take credit and move on with our lives. We shouldn't allow people to mass murder by the 100's of thousands, but we shouldn't invade the country because of him/her.

Granted, we caused destabilization by taking out Saddam, but what he was doing should never have been allowed. No easy answers other than removal from society.

Please.. Saddam should have never been removed. George H. W. Bush understood this.
Bush Jr. was an idiot who did not.
There was a reason why 41 only pushed Saddam out of Kuwait.

 

[londonfog]

If Obama had left some troops in Iraq then this would not have happened at this time.

I agree that we never should have gone into Iraq in the first place but is this the best way to have ended it?

Fuck that ...we should have never even been there. This shit will now go on forever. Do you realize how long they have been fighting. Better still how much time have you spent over there??? Bush was a fool and should have followed the direction of his father

 

[ginwilly]

Please.. Saddam should have never been removed. George H. W. Bush understood this.
Bush Jr. was an idiot who did not.
There was a reason why 41 only pushed Saddam out of Kuwait.

I was on the outside looking in, so your knowledge on the subject trumps mine, just to get that out of the way.

It appeared to me that W had a hard on to finish what daddy didn't or couldn't. Almost like a son making papa proud type thing.

Regardless, destablizing or not, people who murder should not be allowed to go free, people who murder by the hundreds of thousands should not be allowed to live.

 

[ginwilly]

If Obama had left some troops in Iraq then this would not have happened at this time.

I agree that we never should have gone into Iraq in the first place but is this the best way to have ended it?

The dirty little secret is we didn't really leave there. We spend billions of our defense budget a year on Iraq with thousands of private, highly trained military personnel still on the ground. For some reason, private military working for the defense department let's us say there is no military there.

We never left, we probably never will. Too many resources we want a say in.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

If Obama had left some troops in Iraq then this would not have happened at this time.

I agree that we never should have gone into Iraq in the first place but is this the best way to have ended it?

Leaving troops there would have done nothing unless it was a solid occupying force, this takes more money then you can shake a stick at.

More dead service members for what? Oil? No. Land? No. Just good ol' American corporate greed. Don't feed the pig, it's big enough.

 

[londonfog]

I was on the outside looking in, so your knowledge on the subject trumps mine, just to get that out of the way.

It appeared to me that W had a hard on to finish what daddy didn't or couldn't. Almost like a son making papa proud type thing.

Regardless, destablizing or not, people who murder should not be allowed to go free, people who murder by the hundreds of thousands should not be allowed to live.

you do realize who helped Saddam get those chemical weapons don't you.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

The dirty little secret is we didn't really leave there. We spend billions of our defense budget a year on Iraq with thousands of private, highly trained military personnel still on the ground. For some reason, private military working for the defense department let's us say there is no military there.

We never left, we probably never will. Too many resources we want a say in.

My last deployment to Iraq I was with another combat support hospital, this time it was Talil.

Our mission was to provide medical support until all US troops had been transited out of theatre, our mission was to turn off Iraq's 'light switch.' We were supposed to be the last troops left.

Except before we were supposed to pull out the state department starts popping up these little operations bases. State department? Yes, state department.

In most cities there is an operations base with supplies and other resources for 'state department' personnel. We still haven't left.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

I wish both sides complete success. to the last man!!
I'll buy oil from the survivors.

 

[DonAlejandroVega]

My last deployment to Iraq I was with another combat support hospital, this time it was Talil.

Our mission was to provide medical support until all US troops had been transited out of theatre, our mission was to turn off Iraq's 'light switch.' We were supposed to be the last troops left.

Except before we were supposed to pull out the state department starts popping up these little operations bases. State department? Yes, state department.

In most cities there is an operations base with supplies and other resources for 'state department' personnel. We still haven't left.

and never, ever will

 

[ginwilly]

you do realize who helped Saddam get those chemical weapons don't you.

Yes, that's also why we KNEW he had WMD, we sold them to em. Now we know they were moved to Syria.

This is not justification for killing hundreds of thousands, even if the US was complicit.

Like I said though London, you were there and I was not, so I defer to your knowledge in this case. It's opinions that we are arguing though, the facts are blurry for everyone and a very tangled web.

 

[Doer]

I'm glad the genocidal lunatic is dead, but would have rather seen a Bin Laden type strike instead of a full scale invasion. Not as profitable though.

Seal team should have taken him out, let some crazy Jihadist faction take credit and move on with our lives. We shouldn't allow people to mass murder by the 100's of thousands, but we shouldn't invade the country because of him/her.

Granted, we caused destabilization by taking out Saddam, but what he was doing should never have been allowed. No easy answers other than removal from society.

We are just going to sit still for an assassination attempt on a US President? This was not Bush, IAC, this was the combined will of the Industrialized Countries.

The West has landlocked Persia as they try to de-lock into the Mediterranean basin for 2000 years. Assad has no Saddam to help, so he had to fold. And now half his country is gone,

This is multi-generational, and many Presidents' work.

We destabilize this region on purpose, and I support that.

 

[ginwilly]

My last deployment to Iraq I was with another combat support hospital, this time it was Talil.

Our mission was to provide medical support until all US troops had been transited out of theatre, our mission was to turn off Iraq's 'light switch.' We were supposed to be the last troops left.

Except before we were supposed to pull out the state department starts popping up these little operations bases. State department? Yes, state department.

In most cities there is an operations base with supplies and other resources for 'state department' personnel. We still haven't left.

This is the kind of thing we need to made aware of. There was a thread here a year or so ago where people were arguing we have nothing left there. That's the impression the Prez tried to give, so that's the story many chose to believe.

 

[Doer]

in December, 2006, in Iraq there were estimated to be at least 100,000 contractors working directly for the United States ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_company