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Doer said:

Say, did they ever present the autopsy report? Or did they just enter it, with no witness questioned?

I just read it. A few things of interest. Look at the is entrance wound and ask yourself. Zim is getting "pounded," smashed" "mouth held" "squirming to get off the concrete, squirming the contact is so close, in fear of immediate harm. Now, we know Z is a lefty, writes with his left hand. It is on the DNA swab video. Yet, he holsters on his right and he did the re-inact with a right had draw.....OK?

Just look at this wound. Looks carefully placed over the heart to me.

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And it was not point blank. And it was straight through. It is serious contortion to do this in the situation described.

Lay on you back. Perp is on top. You feel him going for your gun...Z even said that key phrase.".free gun, no ones gun"...big lie. And so if you are that scared and that close you fire aft about a 45 x 45 degree angle. This was a center of heart, straight in.

The wound for a righty should be lower much farther right, outside and below the nipple at least, and angled thru the chest. How does anyone get the gun, centered like that, and say he was still being pounded, smashed, etc?

Fear will get that shot out as soon as I clear leather. It can't wait that couple of miliseconds to get the gun up, centered, aimed, etc. I might have even shot myself in the process of fear.

And Zim would have actually put the gun up for grabs in the middle of the squirmy area. It didn't happen like that, I don't think.

Page 3, 1st para. "This wound is consistent with a wound of entrance of intermediate range. Further examination demonstrates the wound track passes directly front to back...."

Trevon was not even that well. "There is a cardiac monitor pad on the left flank." And there is no indication he "broke" someone's nose. No blood, no hand trauma.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf

So, think about a close squirmy fight on the ground and these findings. It adds up to Zimm on the bottom that pulled the gun. Trevon sat up and said "OK, you got me." And then Zim got his gun up, aimed to center of heart and fired from a foot or less in vengeance. Yes, it can turn that fast to murder.

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Doer...if I had a gun in my right hand and you were ontop of me I'd be shooting you in YOUR left hand side.

Stop consuming so much leaf before surmising your theories.

Also, just because he's left handed doesnt mean he doesn't use his right hand for shooting, just because you're a leftie doesn't mean you use your left hand for everything.

Shooting especially, if you shoot left handed on a right handed rifle, you're gonna get hot casings in your face.

It's entirely dependent on what hand you learned the activity with, not what hand you write with.

If only the prosecution and defense knew all the experts were here, this case might go differently, lol. Fucking arm chair detectives all up in this joint.


No one is gonna riot, either. Atleast not anyone who doesn't want to get shot by either police or by their neighbor. The whole country just spent the last year arming themselves and people are on edge with itchy trigger fingers. They aren't just gonna let looters walk down the road all casual like its 1992.

Dad was a lefty and shot right handed. Batted right handed, too.

Harrekin said:

Doer...if I had a gun in my right hand and you were ontop of me I'd be shooting you in YOUR left hand side.

Stop consuming so much leaf before surmising your theories.

Also, just because he's left handed doesnt mean he doesn't use his right hand for shooting, just because you're a leftie doesn't mean you use your left hand for everything.

Shooting especially, if you shoot left handed on a right handed rifle, you're gonna get hot casings in your face.

It's entirely dependent on what hand you learned the activity with, not what hand you write with.

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Jezzes, you are smoking some good shit today.

He is a lefty that draws right. I said that.

He should have been shot from left to right and slight upward. I said that.

He was shot straight in, from the middle, instead. I said that.

The gun would have surely been up for grabs if Zim took the time to bring it to the center. I said that.

If Trevon was laying on him in a smothering squirm, the middle is not available, only the left side. I said that.

If in fear, one fires perhaps even into himself from the holster side, Trevon's left. I said that.

OK?

And left or right holster and draw, it doesn't matter does it?

They center is not where you bring your weapon in this story.

But, he did pattern the real story, I think. Lying is subtle and that is why have jury trials.

Zim said he sat up and said, "OK, you got me."

Then he was shot...that fits the fact of the center straight wound.....OK? And it fits the rest of the tap dance and buzz words about the situation.

Fear means no aim like that. Fear means clear, you hope and BOOM. Squirming close, holding mouth, a knock on the head doesn't equal fear and he showed no fear. He was running around in dark dog run with his weapon first in his mind. He claimed there were no addresses. He claimed he was afraid and went back for a flashlight.

The mom is going to claim that is her baby on that tape screaming. And the all women jury will buy that. They know women have ESP when it comes to their kid's voice. It the FBI in re-direct says that is impossible, it will only make it worse.

spandy said:

Dad was a lefty and shot right handed. Batted right handed, too.

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I am right-handed, and bat and golf left-handed.

I'm left handed ambi. I can hammer with either hand, and shoot also. And I throw left, bat right, bowl left, golf right, dart left....

That was not my point.

It was that I didn't make it very well or at all. It doesn't matter. The center straight shot does not match the story.

Doer said:

I'm left handed ambi. I can hammer with either hand, and shoot also. And I throw left, bat right, bowl left, golf right, dart left....

That was not my point.

It was that I didn't make it very well or at all. It doesn't matter. The center straight shot does not match the story.

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he didnt get shot in the center........he got shot in the heart........something wrong w your eyes?

I'm confused what is being argued here.

The fact they were on the ground at the time of the gunshot is already established.
The fact that it was Trayvon on top is established.
The fact that the guy on top was pounding the guy on the bottom is established.
The fact that only Zimmerman had injuries consistent with being the one who was beaten is established.
The fact that the gunshot was 1-18 inches away is established.
The fact the gunshot was facing upwards when discharged is established.

Reaching for or trying to get a gun does not leave DNA on the gun.
Punching someone does not leave DNA under your fingernails.

If you're arguing that because none of Z's DNA was on TM's hands, then who was punching and putting those injuries on Z? Did an alien do it and then beam back to the mothership. Are you suggesting that TM DIDN'T punch Z?

Are you arguing that when someone is on top of you punching your face, thereby making your head slam back into a sidewalk, it doesn't feel like they are "slamming your head into the sidewalk". Are you suggesting that the average person having that happen to them, with no guarantee that it will stop before they are killed or severely harmed, wouldn't be in fear for their life?

Are you suggesting that after he shot TM while they were both upright, he hypnotized the EYEWITNESS to make him think they were on the ground and then donned an invisibility cloak so he could self-inflict the injuries to himself right in front of said eyewitness.

There are certainly many things that are in doubt in this case. And many of them could lead to Z's conviction if the prosecution can PROVE them. But neither you, nor the prosecutors can squirm your way out of the established facts listed above.

woody333333 said:

he didnt get shot in the center........he got shot in the heart........something wrong w your eyes?

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You are just pretending you know where the heart is. Look at the autopsy report. The key is is straight into the heart after centering the weapon on it.



The heart is almost in the center. His shot hole is centered on the heart.

oh shit, its obvious then


a second shooter was in the bushes

spandy said:

oh shit, its obvious then


a second shooter was in the bushes

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Could've been the same dude that shot JFK from the grassy knoll?

MuyLocoNC said:

I'm confused what is being argued here.

The fact they were on the ground at the time of the gunshot is already established.
The fact that it was Trayvon on top is established.
The fact that the guy on top was pounding the guy on the bottom is established.
The fact that only Zimmerman had injuries consistent with being the one who was beaten is established.
The fact that the gunshot was 1-18 inches away is established.
The fact the gunshot was facing upwards when discharged is established.

Reaching for or trying to get a gun does not leave DNA on the gun.
Punching someone does not leave DNA under your fingernails.

If you're arguing that because none of Z's DNA was on TM's hands, then who was punching and putting those injuries on Z? Did an alien do it and then beam back to the mothership. Are you suggesting that TM DIDN'T punch Z?

Are you arguing that when someone is on top of you punching your face, thereby making your head slam back into a sidewalk, it doesn't feel like they are "slamming your head into the sidewalk". Are you suggesting that the average person having that happen to them, with no guarantee that it will stop before they are killed or severely harmed, wouldn't be in fear for their life?

Are you suggesting that after he shot TM while they were both upright, he hypnotized the EYEWITNESS to make him think they were on the ground and then donned an invisibility cloak so he could self-inflict the injuries to himself right in front of said eyewitness.

There are certainly many things that are in doubt in this case. And many of them could lead to Z's conviction if the prosecution can PROVE them. But neither you, nor the prosecutors can squirm your way out of the established facts listed above.

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1- you have a sad point of view if you think this is an argument.

2- nothing needs to be proven now. It is in front of a jury. The judge has decided what to allow. Justice is next.

3 - Justice is not solely based on facts with Juries. And facts are only presented into evidence, well or badly

4 - Less benefit of the doubt for a minor child in a back dog run on a rainy night, in rightful place and un-armed

5 - People can tell when there are lies. It is in the micro-expressions if they can explain it or not.

6 - It all changes in a fight when someone draws on an un-armed minor child, 158 pounds with a heart monitor

7- This entire thing is too weak to say, "fear for ones life" unless there was a struggle for the gun, a free gun is the buzz words. No free gun here.

8 - This entire thing is too weak to say, "fear for one's life" if Zim had the presence to to draw, clear the elbow, clear Martin's hands, and bring the weapon inside the fight were he say was afraid of it going. But that is why he drew. It doesn't make sense.

9 - Zim tried to concoct "another weapon" story. "..thought he had a peice of concrete in his hand." No evidence of that. Pulled his hands out to cover Zim smashing his own nose to go with his head scratch. No evidence at all, that these injuries are not just faked. Especially the nose. He certainly exaggerated the entire thing and has been shown to be lying about it.

If you think you can't smash, you own nose to cover a rage gone bad, think again. I have done that to myself accidentally. Turn him over spread hands out, smash own nose on the ground. Get up and look like you had to kill him. Begin the story line.

Too many lies. So, if I stipulate to all of what you say, Muy, there is still nothing that gives the guy the right to kill.

A gun in my right hand with you on top trying to quiet me, goes into your left ribs hard. And if that don't make you jump back, Jack....(think about that barrel punch to the left ribs)

I say, get off me motherfucker. And then I clop him very stiffly in the temple. That is how I'm trained to not kill. If someone is unarmed and me with a gun, I won't kill him without cause.
Very bad. But, woudl I be chasing a kid with some bullshit story about looking for the exact address. No. That was the death of a child. Very bad.

Now where was Zims hands in all this fighting? He didn't land any blows. He didn't grab Trevons neck like any of us will do automatically. No, he squirmed. He says off to the grass, witness says squirmed ONTO the concrete.

A guy chases an unarmed boy in the dark with a gun and initiates a confrontation. And instead of using the gun properly in this situation he killed him,for no real reason, but his story, from about 1 foot away, straight to the heart.

But, I'm not on the jury and not arguing the case.

Doer said:

1- you have a sad point of view if you think this is an argument.
2- nothing needs to be proven now. It is in front of a jury. The judge has decided what to allow. Justice is next.
3 - Justice is not based on facts, facts are only presented into evidence, well or badly
4 - Less benefit of the doubt for a minor child in a back dog run on a rainy night, in rightful place and un-armed
5 - People can tell when there are lies. It is in the micro-expressions if they can explain it or not.
6 - It all changes in a fight when someone draws on an un-armed minor child, 158 pounds with a heart monitor
7- This entire thing is too weak to say, "fear for ones life" unless there was a struggle for the gun, a free gun is the buzz words. No free gun here.
8 - This entire thing is too weak to say, "fear for one's life" if Zim had the presence to to draw, clear the elbow, clear Martin's hands, and bring the weapon inside the fight were he say was afraid of it going.
But that is why he drew. It doesn't make sense.

Too many lies. So, if I stipulate to all of what you say, Muy, there is still nothing that gives the gun the right to kill.
A gun on my right hand with you trying to quiet me, goes into your left ribs hard. And if that don't make you jump back, Jack....(think about that barrel punch to the left ribs)
I say, get off me motherfucker. And then I clop him very stiffly in the temple. That is how I'm trained to not kill someone without cause, and un-armed.

Now where was Zims hands in all this fighting? He didn't land any blows. He didn't grab Trevons neck like any of us will do automatically. No, he squirmed. He says off the grass, witness says squirmed ONTO the concrete.

A guy chases an unarmed boy in the dark with a gun and initiates a confrontation. And instead of using the gun properly in this situation he killed him,for no real reason, but his story, from about 1 foot away, straight to the heart.

But, I'm not on the jury and not arguing the case.

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Are you seeing colors right now? Are the walls breathing?

Muy summarized the facts very accurately. Whether the jury cares about facts remains to be seen.

Murder 2 is unprovable and the prosecutors know it. Manslaughter was unsupportable, which explains why Z was not charged for 44 days.

It's a political show trial put on because the president and the other race hustlers demanded it. Why does the president hate Hispanics?

The law is about ONE thing and one thing only, What can be proven.
No one was there besides those two, only one is alive to speak, the rest is made up crapola.

I have several close friends who are attorneys , one after 30 years in practice described attorneys as ' word whores' see the more they use the more they make, amazing isnt it, they sometimes grow up to be judges, politicians and all manner of bottom dwellers.
Add the liberal media and i have to ask why anyone would even give this much thought, all we have heard until the trial was poorly spun racist point of views from racists , including Barry Obamer.

Its disgusting.

I know one thing , i steal from no one, ever, not even one time . I lived in a good neighborhood in Ohio, ive had so many things stolen from me its disgusting , Ive lost 100,000 dollars in theft from customers [ a liberals for some reason] employees etc etc. If you dont know what it feels like to HAVE to set up security cameras just to protect what you somehow managed to scrape together then shut up.

Even now, if i ever found any of those oxogen thieves i wouldnt trust myself .

Zimmermans entire neighborhood had been break in central for years, old people, terrorized in their homes, guess its not important unless its your granny huh?

We will never know the truth.

One things for sure, that racist idiot who testified for tarzan should be given one more chance at even public education then if she fails a job braiding hair at some port far far away, god help us if she infects the gene pool anymore than she already has.

desert dude said:

Are you seeing colors right now? Are the walls breathing?

Muy summarized the facts very accurately. Whether the jury cares about facts remains to be seen.

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I am talking about Justice. I saw OJ get off. Then I saw him get 30 years on really what amounts to only a 5 year of sentence any where else. Set up and knocked down by no other than Ronald Goldman, I have no doubt.

I have seem people get away with murder and I have seen stone cold murders try to testify in their own defense and gain the Death Penalty for showing their monster selves.

I just saw Jodie Arres give a powerpoint preso of how valuable she can be as a lifer. And she said, "I can't in good consciousness, ask this jury for death." Weird. Hung jury, re-try it.

So, you guys have your facts that I stipulate to. Yet you seem blind to what I am showing you here.

And if you aren't stoned, high and gonzo, then, too the fuck bad, for you!

Doer said:

I am talking about Justice. I saw OJ get off. Then I saw him get 30 years on really what amounts to only a 5 year of sentence any where else. Set up and knocked down by no other than Ronald Goldman, I have no doubt.

I have seem people get away with murder and I have seen stone cold murders try to testify in their own defense and gain the Death Penalty for showing their monster selves.

I just saw Jodie Arres give a powerpoint preso of how valuable she can be as a lifer. And she said, "I can't in good consciousness, ask this jury for death." Weird. Hung jury, re-try it.

So, you guys have your facts that I stipulate to. Yet you seem blind to what I am showing you here.

And if you aren't stoned, high and gonzo, then, too the fuck bad, for you!

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While I agree that a sympathetic or compromised jury can mete out it's own brand of justice, there are checks and balances to that scenario. A judge with no agenda can easily reprimand the jury for such an action and throw out their decision. I'm willing to bet THIS judge wouldn't do so in this case even if there was video corroborating Z's account, or perhaps an eyewitness who does the same.

Fortunately, I have no dog in this hunt. I can sit back and watch the conclusion with no real care or concern, no matter how it plays out. Ten minutes after the verdict I'm sure I'll be on here typing away for a few minutes, then I doubt I'll ever give it another thought.

Me too. Some call it the wheels of Justice, I call it the Maw of Justice. A slow grind. All caught in the Maw of Justice are changed, one way or another.

It looks to me like the Prosecution has Agenda. It is not very vigorous when you call Zim's best friend, label him hostile, and just tee up softballs for the Defense. Not very hostile if the jury see you smiling at him constantly.

Maybe he is just after manslaughter of a minor....

basically it goes like this:

zimmerman says he is getting pounded by "25-35" horrific blows, his head slammed repeatedly into the concrete for about a minute, with martin suffocating him (even though he is still somehow able to cry for help), in a fight that lasts about 30-45 seconds and moves from the T to about 30-50 feet away from the T (even though martin sucker punched him from two different angles depending on the account and immediately pinned and straddled him).

if you can believe all that, you should also have no problem believing that as zimm is squirming to the grass, his gun suddenly becomes exposed and martin, who is busy administering the world's most horrendous beating (which somehow leaves no blood on his hands or cuffs, and nothing but a tiny scrape on his left ring finger), somehow sees the gun (either with the eyes in the back of his head or while he is stopping to take a sip of his refreshing beverage) and reaches for it (despite no DNA evidence for such), and it is at this point that zimmerman, in a feat of superhuman strength, gains full wrist control of martin with one hand, reaches for the gun with the other, makes sure to move his arm out of the way (the arm that is exercising full wrist control over martin), and fires.

all the while, we get the perfect 1970's blaxploitation dialogue to accompany: "you got a problem homie?" "you gonna die tonight homie!" "you got me, you got me".

hollywood never produced a more unlikely scenario. no fucking asshole or fucking punk could write a better script to be sure.

desert dude said:

It's a political show trial put on because the president and the other race hustlers demanded it.

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Someacdude said:

Add the liberal media and i have to ask why anyone would even give this much thought, all we have heard until the trial was poorly spun racist point of views from racists , including Barry Obamer.

Its disgusting.

One things for sure, that racist idiot who testified for tarzan should be given one more chance at even public education then if she fails a job braiding hair at some port far far away, god help us if she infects the gene pool anymore than she already has.

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everyone is a racist!

except for you two of course, the ones who keep bringing race into this.