Trump: Transgender people 'can't serve' in US military

chemphlegm said:
ok, so Joe wants to be Josie. I get it. he wants to fuck men guilt free, feel connected to his sexual identity with physical appearance, I get it.
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No, you don't get it. We are not talking about sexual orientation at all here. It runs the gamut with transgender people just as it does the rest of us. The one transgender male I know was previously a woman who enjoyed sex with men. Now he's a man who enjoys sex with men. His orientation did not change at all. His gender did. That confounded me a bit at first too but was ultimately what made it click for me that these two aspects (gender & orientation) are completely separate.
 
chemphlegm said:
If I encountered a person who was begging to have their wiener cut off and a pussy glued on, one who begged for hormones to wear their mask comfortably, one who needed antidepressants just to deal with the their mental illness, one who suffered from various mental illness all their life and still do, the last thing I would consider is their courage. courage or mental illness, slippery slope eh
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That's a shame you FEEL that way..good distraction often centers the troubled..you don't know much about life, do you?
 
TacoMac said:
You're an idiot.

You just quoted definitions that state they are not always related, that there are in fact two different types, that not all transgenders are in fact transsexuals.

Wow man...just fucking wow.
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read closely, my post supported yours dude, settle down. but then the words "not always" comes in to play, get it, means "sometimes", but "no always" wow, just fucking settle down man, feel the love.
 
dagwood45431 said:
No, you don't get it. We are not talking about sexual orientation at all here. It runs the gamut with transgender people just as it does the rest of us. The one transgender male I know was previously a woman who enjoyed sex with men. Now he's a man who enjoys sex with men. His orientation did not change at all. His gender did. That confounded me a bit at first too but was ultimately what made it click for me that these two aspects (gender & orientation) are completely separate.
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good post^^

did he scan his genes first ot be sure its physical dna issue or is it just in his head to do these things?
 
ANC said:
You are trying to get into someone else's head, you don;t have to. Fat people are also mentally ill in the same way, they are allowed to have surgery to fix it.
You have to understand mental illness is much more complicated than we give it credit for. Surely you know many many people who are mostly normal but have some quirks. Having one facet of your identity that you don't want to live with, does not come at the expense of making you a nymphomaniac psychopath.

Many transgender people actually marry normal consenting adults who fully know about their history but loves them for the person they are now. Guess this will also not make that thing in your chest burn with discomfort. ....that emotions thing.

As a straight father with physical and metal disease, you have no idea how many pills I need to take to do MY thing.
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but what of allowing some soldiers to take controlled substances to improve their performance , grow facial hair, etc, while others cannot
 
chemphlegm said:
good post^^

did he scan his genes first ot be sure its physical dna issue or is it just in his head to do these things?
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Why do you care about his genes? it reminds me of these people who are forever looking through the curtains at their neighbour's comings and goings.

I'm starting to learn politics is all about people fighting for that which they believe they ought to be able to do without having interference or having to explain themselves all the time. The fight for that thing you used to call Freedom over there.
 
ANC said:
You are trying to get into someone else's head, you don;t have to. Fat people are also mentally ill in the same way, they are allowed to have surgery to fix it.
You have to understand mental illness is much more complicated than we give it credit for. Surely you know many many people who are mostly normal but have some quirks. Having one facet of your identity that you don't want to live with, does not come at the expense of making you a nymphomaniac psychopath.

Many transgender people actually marry normal consenting adults who fully know about their history but loves them for the person they are now. Guess this will also not make that thing in your chest burn with discomfort. ....that emotions thing.

As a straight father with physical and metal disease, you have no idea how many pills I need to take to do MY thing.
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It all boils down to chemistry one way or the other. Nothing wrong with trying to manipulate it in a better direction. I don't understand the stigma that still surrounds mental illness. It's completely involuntary.
 
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ANC said:
Why do you care about his genes? it reminds me of these people who are forever looking through the curtains at their neighbour's comings and goings.
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I dont care really except in the context of this thread, ie=separating mental illness from physical illness for starters
 
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Even if they had "mental illness" relating to their sexual identity, why should this affect their performance in any other field?
 
chemphlegm said:
good post^^

did he scan his genes first ot be sure its physical dna issue or is it just in his head to do these things?
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I don't believe there is such a test. Every transgender person I've ever heard talk about describes it as a knowing ache they've had since they first started forming memories. That's good enough for me. Does it really matter where that comes from?
 
Most of the men I know would fuck women I wouldn't even look at, does that make me less male?
Some of them would fuck a hole in a couch.
 
This thread is exhibit A on what's wrong with this planet. People like chemphlegm are simply astounding. I can't wrap my head around why they think the way they do.

At the end of the day, if you're a doctor trying to save me, an EMT trying to get me to the hospital, a lawyer looking after my best interest, a contractor building my house, a mechanic working on my bike or car, or a soldier that signed up to die for me, I don't give a shit what color, sex, age, or anything else you are.

I really don't.

Just do the best job you can and I'm OK with that. Unless you fail...then I'll kick your ass.
 
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