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wontime said:

absolutely it would get better, in his speech JUST today the president said the exact words, drugs from Afghanistan IE heroin, are destroying are economy

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errrr...since 9/11 and the war the USA...I'm assuming Your government has secured Afghanistan as the worlds heroin supplier. Why arent troops burning poppy fields? They just let them grow and manufacture heroin all day long, they actually have been protecting poppy fields for some fucked up reason...

Under the Taliban Afghanistan supplied 0% of the worlds heroin supply, they were against it. George Bush Sr. basically started the heroin trade in Afghanistan, at least he initiated and allowed it to happen...before 1950 Afghanistan provides 0% of worlds heroin supply. 1980s they provide about 50%....late 90s about 60%....then after 9/11 and the war its up to about 95+%.

So if you want your government to stop the heroin then stop the war...


I'm gonna call it right now. The war Will Not end, some wars in some countries will end but its not over. Its going to go from one country to the next with the USA forcing their ideals on people in the name of "peace"


You dont seem to understand how the drug trade works. The "lionshare" as you call it never leaves America. 80% of the profit of any hard drug is made from resale. None of that money goes overseas.

I agree Drugs are Not good.

But if you think the economy would somehow get better if drugs stopped beiing imported tomorrow....well....


If you think people can't find jobs now, what about the Thousands an Thousands of Police officers, FBI, parol officers, DEA, Corrections officers, bail bondsman, Lawyers, Judges...And all the people who are employed by these people like assistants.

All these people LOSE THEIR JOBS if there is not drugs. BOOM, no jobs. The courts are empty, the jails are empty, if theres no people being arrested theres no reason to keep the budgets so high.


You can't "reverse" the economy, it just fails. Prisons get shut down because they couldn't afford to be run anymore. Everything would go to Shit if there was no more illegal drugs in America tomorrow.


Theres even doctors, nurses, cab drivers, 911 operators, a lot of these jobs would lose a TON of business. No drugs would mean no gangs and that would mean less shootings, less people paying for health care....How is that good for the economy.

I want to be so Fucking Clear that I DO NOT THINK this is a Good thing or the way it should be. It would be amazing if we could eliminate all hard drugs and gangs and live in peace, but it aint happening any time soon.

It may not be a good thing, but its true.

Yes, your rightits bad for hard working tax payers. Im not saying this is the way I want it, but drugs do prop up a Very Fragile economy in So many ways.

I would love to see some sources that back up your ranting.

The reason we saw such an increase in heroin production is because the Taliban wasn't in control anymore, and all the people living in Afghanistan had no other means of supporting them selves besides growing poppy fields. Which is why we saw such an increase in Heroin production.

And as for the Army not burning poppy fields, they are there to kill terrorist not waste their time burning poppy fields.

Do a little research on the subject before posting, and not on www.conspiracytheorys.com

wontime said:

man all the vacation spots in mexico, just ask a valet or a cab driver and they will hook you up, dont try smugglin in during this turmoil over there!!!

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The most stupid thing I have ever heard. You can ask a cab driver , bar tender where to get some. EASY..

tallicagolf said:

I would love to see some sources that back up your ranting.

The reason we saw such an increase in heroin production is because the Taliban wasn't in control anymore, and all the people living in Afghanistan had no other means of supporting them selves besides growing poppy fields. Which is why we saw such an increase in Heroin production.

And as for the Army not burning poppy fields, they are there to kill terrorist not waste their time burning poppy fields.

Do a little research on the subject before posting, and not on www.conspiracytheorys.com

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You should research the subject...Yeah, since they got rid of the Taliban Heroin production skyrocketed. Do you not see a problem there???

Its not a bloody CT. You must be American. Its funny how the Americans refuse to believe their government does any wrong.


And as for the Army not burning poppy fields, they are there to kill terrorist not waste their time burning poppy fields.

That about sums it up. "they are there to kill terrorists"

Who are these fucking terrorists you americans keep talking about? Is a terrorist anyone who stands in the way of Americas beliefs?

Can you pick a terrorist out of a line up? Are there any traits that define a terrorist?

Terrorism, according to the Oxford English Dictionary is "A policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted"

That same definition could define George Bush or Dick Cheney as a Terrorist just as easy as a suicide bomber, they use FEAR to get what they want.

George Bush claimed they had WMDs to scare people into allowing the war..... So American raids other whole countries killing people looking for what they call "terrorists". But that fact is there is no one country where all the "terrorists" are hiding, the "war on terror" could be used to promote 100 wars in 100 countries. Its a fucking joke, you can't win against a concept...like Terrorism.

So by you reasoning, Every American troop is a terrorist in the eyes of the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq.

There are no Terrorists, just people who fight for what they believe in. Americans believe one thing, and they believe another....the only difference is America thinks they should parade around with guns and tanks forcing their ideals on other nations.

It's funny. As soon as someone doesnt know what they are talking about or are just plain ignorant they jump to "Its a Conspiracy Theory...."

You dont have to take what I say as fact, Do some research and you will find out for yourself...lol.

BCtrippin said:

You should research the subject...Yeah, since they got rid of the Taliban Heroin production skyrocketed. Do you not see a problem there???

Its not a bloody CT. You must be American. Its funny how the Americans refuse to believe their government does any wrong.

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Dude.. we (Unites States) have done so much shit that has increased drug use and production.. like we paid colombia not to harvest coke for a few years thinking coke use would go down.. just makes the prices and violence rise. Our government is so fucking corrupt.

BCtrippin said:

Yeah, since they got rid of the Taliban Heroin production skyrocketed. Do you not see a problem there???

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Do you understand that the Taliban was against the production of poppy flowers? Now that the Taliban presence is almost gone, the farmers can once again grow a crop to support their families, without fear of being jailed or killed by the Taliban. Hence the reason the increased supply of opium from that region.

I'm done arguing with you, its clearly getting no where.

I know our govt isn't the best, but do Canadians have anything else to bitch about besides the US.

tallicagolf said:

Do you understand that the Taliban was against the production of poppy flowers? Now that the Taliban presence is almost gone, the farmers can once again grow a crop to support their families, without fear of being jailed or killed by the Taliban. Hence the reason the increased supply of opium from that region.

I'm done arguing with you, its clearly getting no where.

I know our govt isn't the best, but do Canadians have anything else to bitch about besides the US.

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Yes I understand, I fucking posted it. The production of poppy flower is only for the production of opium for heroin. Yes, the Taliban didnt allow this...That was a good thing if you ask me.

These farmers can do other things to support their families, they just make more money easier farming Opium.

All you hear about the Taliban is what you hear in speaches from your governments so called "intelligence" and the News.

The whole Terrorism thing is a joke. Two British SAS agents dressed like Arabs shoot at a police station in Basra, then the Iraqi police catch them in a car loaded with explosives.

When Iraq refuses to release the 2 british agents Britain comes in with tanks to get them.

Its a fucking joke. The whole idea of "terrorism" is a joke.


Oh...and it's not just Canada that is fed up with the War...I think its the rest of the fucking world to be more specific.

Coffee beans do nothing. The dogs will smell coffee and weed is all.

Hey, i have a gxxt idea, send me some money and i'll send you .xx. Or you could use sum that they sell(fruity fruity seeds maybe?) they have less odor.

CarbonBubblegum said:

Hey, i have a gxxt idea, send me some money and i'll send you .xx. Or you could use sum that they sell(duity fruity seeds maybe?) they have less odor.

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i mean this in airmachines, have a duplicate produce

I live in South Texas where I have to cross a Border check point almost weekly...I cross shit wrapped in electrical tape all the time. Small amounts only just a weekly stash but I've never had a problem.

the other day i had a joint in my center console and the dog didn't even bark once or alert to anything.

BCTrippin what makes you think you know it all? From what I've seen of your postings, you'd make the world a better place just by shutting up and unplugging your PC.

You obviously have no ability to look at cause and effect. Think of it scientifically, in a controlled theoretically experiment where this is no drugs in the US. There are still homeless people and corruptness and everything else. But no drug dealers and 90% fewer gangs. Now introduce a flow of drugs from some other country. You have homeless toothless f#%ers now driving Mercedes and billions flowing from the US to the other countries. You honestly think putting money in the drug dealers hands is good for the economy because it gives money to people who wouldn't otherwise have it and that is increases spending in the US? Where the hell do you think that money comes from? From Americans who should probably be putting the money to better use, like paying their mortgage. Instead of buying steaks drug addicts buy hot dogs, and spend some at their local drug dealer. Whatever the drug, if people weren't buying it, that money would be going somewhere better. Let them put it towards retirement so they're not such burdens on the social security system. Drug money supports gangs, and is the reason for a hella lot of killings in the US.

The CIA does not make it a policy to smuggle drugs to make extra cash for their cause. If one wing, or group of agents did it because they were that far undercover, that does not mean the US government has made it a policy. I've seen many pizza delivery drivers dealing a little reefer on the side. Does that mean Pizza Hut sells weed to supplement their pizza business? Obviously it does to you. If you stop drawing these stupid conclusions people may stop yelling conspiracy theory at you.

"There are no Terrorists, just people who fight for what they believe in. Americans believe one thing, and they believe another....the only difference is America thinks they should parade around with guns and tanks forcing their ideals on other nations."

If a group of people believes in killing everyone else in the world because they're heretics and don't believe in their religion and kill innocent people including women and children regardless of their nationality just to get heard, then I call that terrorism, and don't want it in my back yard. I suppose if you saw some guys raping and murdering young girls in front of your house, you would simply shrug and say it's a bunch of guys just expressing their ideals.

The US stands up for the innocent, freedom and democracy which puts the power in the hands of the people. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than tyranny. You need to go school and get some education about freedom. Of course, not every other country feels that the same methods employed in the US are the best and the US is not in any way going to invade them, unless they start slaughtering their innocent citizens. That's what Hussein and Iraq was doing. There were a dozen reasons why the US invaded them. The fact that you seemed to have grabbed onto one, which wasn't right and harp on it, shows that you read your info through conspiracy colored glasses with a chip on your shoulder. I suppose in all your "lookin it up" about WOMD, you ignored all the info on the other reasons, like the Husseins genocide of 200,000 to 300,000 innocent civilians in the 90's.

I suggest you stop trying to express (forcing really, since you seem to want to argue to the nth degree with folks who've disagreed with you) your ideals on others lest someone call you a terrorist.

ozzy6282 said:

the other day i had a joint in my center console and the dog didn't even bark once or alert to anything.

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Thats because people watch WAY too many movies. Dogs arent as good at finding drugs as they would like you to believe.


Its not just the dog either, its the handler. The dog is taking orders and cues from his handler, if the handler doesnt point out an area for the dog to search, the dog isnt going to search it and isnt going to alert.

Remember, as much as these dogs are trained to alert to drugs, they are ALSO trained to NOT get distracted by Anything when they are "working" so if the handler doesnt point out the area for the dog to search, most dogs wont alert even if they did smell something.

Dogs dont get rewarded for flase alerts, the dogs learn that fast, so they only alert then they are 100% sure and the handler is interested in the area.


Mind you this is average situations, every dog/handler is different. The more persistant the handler, the more persistant the dog will be.

The sense of smell of some species of dog is 1,000,000 times stronger than humans. I believe they are as good at finding drugs as they are.

I have a friend who owns his own exterminating business, (because he's not a drug addict and hasn't been giving all his money to heroin dealers to improve the US economy) who recently paid $10,000 for a Jack Russel that was trained to find termites through smell. It paid for itself the first quarter he had it, and it hasn't been wrong yet. It does it through smell. I've also heard of dogs who've found bodies under 12 feet of water.

Don't tell people that dogs are not as good as finding drugs as the "man" wants you to think, unless you're trying to get people busted. They're damn good at it, and I would never go against one trying to smuggle.

Siddhartha said:

The CIA does not make it a policy to smuggle drugs to make extra cash for their cause. If one wing, or group of agents did it because they were that far undercover, that does not mean the US government has made it a policy.

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I didnt realize I said all of the CIA had a policy to smuggle drugs.... I said the CIA has been involved...whether its 1 group or whatever...it happens.

As far as terrorism and all that crap... Where did I say that the way things are now or were are Right? I didnt say its right or the way it should be, its just the way it is.


It seems that you are selectively reading what I have posted. You look at some parts and assume that my point of view is the extreme where it is not.

Siddhartha said:

The sense of smell of some species of dog is 1,000,000 times stronger than humans. I believe they are as good at finding drugs as they are.

I have a friend who owns his own exterminating business, (because he's not a drug addict and hasn't been giving all his money to heroin dealers to improve the US economy) who recently paid $10,000 for a Jack Russel that was trained to find termites through smell. It paid for itself the first quarter he had it, and it hasn't been wrong yet. It does it through smell. I've also heard of dogs who've found bodies under 12 feet of water.

Don't tell people that dogs are not as good as finding drugs as the "man" wants you to think, unless you're trying to get people busted. They're damn good at it, and I would never go against one trying to smuggle.

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Now your just twisting my words. I didnt say dogs cant smell drugs...

I was very clear on what I said. I didnt say dogs cant smell drugs anywhere in that last post....Seriously...

What I said is that even if a dog DOES smell contraband, the dog wont always alert unless the Handler was already interested in that area. As much as the dogs are trained to find drugs, they are also trained to not get distracted and go chase a cat or mouse or another dog in heat.

Seriously read Everything before making useless comments.

Siddhartha said:

BCTrippin what makes you think you know it all?

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I dont. Where did I say I do? So what Does that make YOU if your coming here and picking apart my posts? If you think I think I know it all....Apparently You think You know more then I do....Hmmmm.... I want to be clear, I dont think I know more than anyone.

But Im not gonna ask someone why they think they know it all then continue to pick apart everything they say....

Siddhartha said:

The CIA does not make it a policy to smuggle drugs to make extra cash for their cause. If one wing, or group of agents did it because they were that far undercover, that does not mean the US government has made it a policy. I've seen many pizza delivery drivers dealing a little reefer on the side. Does that mean Pizza Hut sells weed to supplement their pizza business? Obviously it does to you. If you stop drawing these stupid conclusions people may stop yelling conspiracy theory at you.

The US stands up for the innocent, freedom and democracy which puts the power in the hands of the people. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than tyranny. You need to go school and get some education about freedom. Of course, not every other country feels that the same methods employed in the US are the best and the US is not in any way going to invade them, unless they start slaughtering their innocent citizens. That's what Hussein and Iraq was doing. There were a dozen reasons why the US invaded them. The fact that you seemed to have grabbed onto one, which wasn't right and harp on it, shows that you read your info through conspiracy colored glasses with a chip on your shoulder. I suppose in all your "lookin it up" about WOMD, you ignored all the info on the other reasons, like the Husseins genocide of 200,000 to 300,000 innocent civilians in the 90's.

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Maybe not the CIA, but our country I do believe does get people hooked on shit to make money. For instance, caffeine is horrible for you, but the government allows it to be sold... Tobacco and alcohol aren't part of the CSA, yet they kill more people than anything else in the world, and most illicit drugs COMBINED... Not to mention the way our FDA works and DEA works, allowing pharmaceuticals on the market that clearly have no benefit besides to get people hooked on; this leads me to believe that pharmaceutical companies act as lobbyists (if you will), to support the FDA (and such) to fund them. Now yeah, my point is different than BC's but I don't think it strays too too far from yours.


I think our government fights in things that could potentially benefit us, instead of fighting for the freedom of enslaved people. You mention Hussein's genocide, which the United States actually did declare a genocide, but you didn't mention that we have refrained from calling Darfur a genocide (which it is), because if we label Darfur as a genocide, under the Geneva Convention we would be bound to assist. You also didn't mention China taking Tibet captive and mass murdering anyone who doesn't convert to their religion, causing many to flee out of theit native countries... the United States stands and watches.

The US has many flaws, and our government does have corrupt people in it (granted, yes, to an extent every government does)... but I would have to actually agree with quite a few things BC has said.

You do understand that you are going into a place that is full of weed right? I have heard people say if you look like a "stoner" you will get 3 people a block trying to sell to you.

BC,... LOL,.. you are the master of selective reading and accuse me of it.

You posted this; "Dogs arent as good at finding drugs as they would like you to believe." NO where in my post do I suggest (or twist your words) that you said that "dogs can't smell drugs" Read my post again,.. You were insinuating that "Dogs arent as good at finding drugs as they would like you to believe." and my post was meant to say they're pretty damn good at it though. Stop twisting MY words.

I did not see anywhere in your posts where you said a "Branch" of the CIA or certain individuals in the CIA,.. when you say The CIA, you're talking about the organization as a whole.

I have no inclination to fight with anyone who shares a common hobby,.. but I also don't like to see people spreading their own conjecture as fact. I suggest you re-read your own posts, and do it objectively. Someone who knows nothing about these subjects may look at your posts as if you do, because you post as if you have some type of inside knowledge on how things are.

The truth of the matter is you don't really know any of these things and have "looked it up" on the internet, where 90% of the info you find is BS. That's because sites which post theory or conjecture outnumber the sites that have real factual information by 99 to 1. Sure some folks who twitter or blog may post real facts,. that's why I say 90%. Plus, the media is a business, and will admit they spin their info for their readers, so they'll subscribe/buy more. Very few sites actually post unbiased facts. But you add to the info that is found on the net which is pure crap. Now I'm not saying everything you've written is incorrect, but enough seems to be. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt,.. perhaps you're just really bad at relaying your ideas.

If you meant to say or were thinking,.. "Certain individuals in the CIA,.. or an undercover branch of the CIA" and instead just wrote CIA, then you have to realize you're not relaying info accurately.

That's all the input I have on the subject,.. so Happy growing and go tell your mom you love her.

Shepj,.. it's called free market capitalism. Yeah,.. it's a great thing because it can provide "the american dream" or actually anybodies dream,.. a house, job, family,.. and money leftover to go to disneyland. but i agree, it definately has it's flaws. It also creates greed, for money and power, and yes, also causes things like political lobbying, which benefits the few,.. not the many.

Everything in the US has turned into a business,.. the media, health care,. and politics. At the center, there's always a person or group of persons who will benefit more than the masses. I'd be first the line leading to the window that says "file youre US complaints here" if I thought it would do any good.

I'm not defending the US. I'm just saying if your'e going to criticize it,.. get yer facts right. Then you may just be able to make a difference by voting and educating your neighbors on the real issues. I don't want to get into that, because I could go on for a very long time about it. I think the US is much farther in the shithole than it should be.

Now, having said that,.. I wish people would stop comparing the US to a utopian society. It's not and probably never will be anything close, so people (not those here) should just quit wishing that things would be perfect for everyone.