Traveling to mexico with Bud - fool proof

OH,. I meant to also include,. I agree with your views on Darfur,. and that the US selectively chooses it's fights. But I also think it would be impossible for the US to commit the troops and resources to fix everything bad today. Baby steps,.. I also think that the fighting in the mid east has gone on for too long, and the world is a much smaller place today and getting smaller,.. it needs to end. Let's try to do it peacefully though. 50 years from now I think Iraq will be a better place, because of todays actions.

I also firmly believe the innocent citizens of Iraq agree with me,.. because I occasionaly read blogs, and try to find out what the local folks think of a war that I was against from the get go.

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I did not see anywhere in your posts where you said a "Branch" of the CIA or certain individuals in the CIA,.. when you say The CIA, you're talking about the organization as a whole.

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Maybe you should go back and find where I talked about Mike Rupert, an actual confirmed former CIA agent who has come forward. I didnt claim to say a branch of the CIA, I said whether its branch, department, or Whatever, it does and has happened.


And as far as dogs. I said they arent as good as finding stuff as people believe. This is true. Im not saying dogs cant find contraband, but its the Handler more so than the Dog.

Dogs are always smelling stuff, its up to the handler to get to know the dog. A fully trained drug dog wont just run after drugs, he has to first be told to "go to work" however the handler does it, Then the dog has to be led by the handler, and each place the Handler points out the dog will check.

Its just a game to the dog, and they only get rewarded for doing what they are told. And drug dogs are trained to not go run off at every distraction.

Anyways, that post was regarding another users comment, which I quoted in the post, where a drug dog didnt even notice him when he had contraband, I simply explained why this happened, then you chime in telling me not to say that unless I'm trying to get people busted....


I was simply explaining something to a different user why the dog didnt notice him, I dont know why you even bothered posting in the first place, It just seems like you are trolling for an argument.

"since you seem to want to argue to the nth degree with folks who've disagreed with you"

No not really...

"From what I've seen of your postings, you'd make the world a better place just by shutting up and unplugging your PC."

It seems like your the one looking for arguments...


But anyway, I have nothing against you. Im not here to argue. All I ask for is friendly open discussion/debate. I put my opinions out there, take from it was you want, but dont reply making assumptions like I want people getting busted...

I have nothing against you either,.. it's just the way you post and perhaps I have a pet peeve about people misguiding others. I'm not saying you do it on purpose,.. it's just the way you write.

I read the post you were responding to and rather than posting this "Thats because people watch WAY too many movies. Dogs arent as good at finding drugs as they would like you to believe." perhaps you should have posted something that would not indicate that people don't know as much about dogs as they think they do. I see these two sentences as saying dogs are not infallible. My response was to suggest this is a dangerous thing to say to a forum full of potheads, because it could allow them to let their guard down. Do you want people to let their guard down around drug dogs or if they're going to encounter them? You would have been much more helpful to say,. "wow you got lucky" rather than what you did post.

You wrote this "I was simply explaining something to a different user why the dog didnt notice him" You have no clue why the dog didn't notice him. How you could actually think you do know is beyond me.

I don't consider it trolling for an arguement, to tell readers of your posts, that they should take what you write with a grain of salt.





My response was meant to say Don't let your guard down. Did you even consider that the wind may have been blowing the other way, so the dog may not have been exposed to the scent of the MJ? Seeing as how you keep posting about your knowledge of these dogs, you must know that the start and position of a search of a vehicle or persons is based on the direction of the wind. Yet you tell people they're not as good at finding drugs as the cops want you to think.

Yes,.. I saw your post on Mike Rupert,.. kudos,.. now why didn't continue to bring him up rather than reverting to the CIA as if the organization as a whole is involved? Why even bring the CIA up to begin with, except to indicate that it's a corrupt organization? I'm not saying it is or isn't,.. I'm just saying that you seem to be making sweeping assumptions based on the actions of a few, by refering to the CIA, rather that the corrupt in the CIA. I've seen cops confiscate weed, and then let the guys go who had it. I'm sure you've heard of such things,.. and yet you don't say the Police confiscates weed to smoke themselves. It's semantics, and yours is either incorrect, or you're backtracking realizing you may have gone beyond proper assumptions.

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You wrote this "I was simply explaining something to a different user why the dog didnt notice him" You have no clue why the dog didn't notice him. How you could actually think you do know is beyond me.

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If you wanna pick apart the details of any post you can find things you dont agree with. You could go back 2 months and look at your own posts and find things you dont agree with. Thats just the way it is with forums, people post whats on their mind.

No I dont know why the dog didnt notice him, but I would bet any amount of money that if it was a more persistant handler, or if the handler had him get out and went through the vehicle with the dog he would have got busted.

I guess I should have been way more clear for You.

Dogs wont always just go after drugs if they smell them. The fact is the dog is simply a Tool for the Handler to help find drugs. If the handler is not already suspicious, the dog isnt going to just jump on you because you have drugs, the handler would have had to already stop you, and be searching you for the dog to find anything.

Disclaimer: This is not advise for smuggling drugs or trying to get passed drug dogs at airports or borders. My firm belief is and always will be Dont try smuggling drugs, personal amounts or anything, Leave it to the professionals.

Is that better?

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perhaps you should have posted something that would not indicate that people don't know as much about dogs as they think they do.

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Your really picking appart my posts, and at this point just the way I speak, or "post" when use some terms its just out of habit, and if Im not naming names then dont take it personal because it has nothing to do with you.

If I say something like "people watch too many movies" Im not referring to you personally. So dont get upset. Im referring to the fact that the common perception of drug dogs is that if you have anything on you a drug dog walks by the dog will go nuts and find the drugs. This isnt really true. Unless the handler has the dog working, the dog wont go after drugs, and if the handler is directing the dog towards something else that doesnt have drugs, the dog wont suddenly turn around and go after you, it will keep following what the handler tells it to look at.

You dont have to agree, if you dont believe me then talk to someone who trains drug dogs. I have an uncle who used to.

I dont claim to be an expert in any way, nor do I claim to know more then anyone else, Im just posting my opinions of what I have learned.

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My response was to suggest this is a dangerous thing to say to a forum full of potheads, because it could allow them to let their guard down.

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When I read this I think that you are implying that everyone in this forum is a "stoner" or a stereotype who is slow and lazy, or who would let their guard down easy.

Perhaps you should have posted something that would not indicate we are all stoners....... See, I can do it too...

Its easy to pick apart posts and find little things to disagree with...but now I have to ask you.... Why start doing it in the first place?

Hmm...Maybe I need a disclaimer in my sig... So stuff like this doesnt happen...LOL

Look kiddo,.. I'm not trying to pick you apart. I think it's great that you try to help others and you have some great advice sometimes. I've been reading this thread from the beginning and your first posts were great, and I actually didn't feel the need to offer a post, because I agreed wholeheartedly with yours. But then somewhere the topic got political and you started saying things which I consider twisted,.. and other things which were plain untrue.

You said some stuff which I highly disagree with,.. mainly about terrorism not being real. Mainly this:


"Who are these fucking terrorists you americans keep talking about? Is a terrorist anyone who stands in the way of Americas beliefs?

Can you pick a terrorist out of a line up? Are there any traits that define a terrorist?

Terrorism, according to the Oxford English Dictionary is "A policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted"

That same definition could define George Bush or Dick Cheney as a Terrorist just as easy as a suicide bomber, they use FEAR to get what they want.

George Bush claimed they had WMDs to scare people into allowing the war..... So American raids other whole countries killing people looking for what they call "terrorists". But that fact is there is no one country where all the "terrorists" are hiding, the "war on terror" could be used to promote 100 wars in 100 countries. Its a fucking joke, you can't win against a concept...like Terrorism.

So by you reasoning, Every American troop is a terrorist in the eyes of the citizens of Afghanistan and Iraq.

There are no Terrorists, just people who fight for what they believe in. Americans believe one thing, and they believe another....the only difference is America thinks they should parade around with guns and tanks forcing their ideals on other nations."

I'm not a Bush supporter and like I already said, was against this war,.. but,..
Let me ask you this BC,.. if you were to live in Baghdad for a year, and got to know the folks who live there and go to markets to buy fruit,.. do you honestly think they believe that the groups that car bomb those markets are not terrorists? Do you think those same people want the Americans out, so that there are fewer people trying to prevent the bombings and killings? I think you would come away with a more realistic perspective.

I used to date a woman who trained dogs. I know that they go nuts for whatever they're looking for or trying to achieve. I also know that if cops were looking for something at customs, they would not hold their dog in check if he caught a scent. If you know anything about the process, you know that it doesn't matter if the car or individual looks suspicious or not. I agree that perhaps the cop was prairie dogging a turd, and needed to get to a toilet asap,.. then maybe he would have kept him in check. But I wasn't the one who made the assumption that the dog missed the weed that time, because the dog wasn't good enough to smell it. That is what you wrote buddy,.. by saying they're not as good as they want you to think.

And again,. no I can't go back to threads I wrote 2 months ago and disagree with them. Unless I've had some political change of heart,.. or learned some new grow technique that is superior. Perhaps the fact that you can do that,.. should tell you something.

Honeestly,.. I have nothing against you personally. I originally pointed out some errors,.. and you disagreed with me,.. even though you also disagreed with yourself.

And rather than posting stuff like this "Its a fucking joke. The whole idea of "terrorism" is a joke."

You should keep to what you know,.. you give good medicine advice,.. keep it to that. (that's only my advice,.. you're free of course to post whatever you want,.. but you'll get peoples hackles up if you keep posting about your political opinions which don't seem to have much basis in what matters) You have the tendency to talk about things you are no expert which you should refrain from,.. such as economics and drugs helping the US through the money money,.. terrorism not being real,. drug dogs not being able to smell reefer,..

Or just add the disclaimer,.. "I'm going to disagree with this post tomorrow,.. so don't take me seriously",.. but you do give some good advice which may go unheaded because of that.

You're cool,.. it's all good,. I hope I'm not coming off as being harsh, cause it's not how I feel. You remind me of me when I was 18 in certain ways.

Is there some PC term for pothead? I apologize if that term offends anyone. I consider myself a pothead,.. and define the word as anyone who enjoys reefer more than the average joe. Just like I would define Deadhead as someone who likes the grateful dead. What would one call someone who partakes in MJ more than once or twice a month,.. someone who buys, or grows MJ?

I just think terrorist is the wrong word. You always hear about terrorists, well anyone can be a terrorist, any religion, any race, so how long is it before its a war on us because we dont agree with their beliefs? Who determines what makes a terrorist?

Theres just a huge grey area when you start defining people as "terrorists"

The whole idea of a War on Terrorism is a joke... I think religious extremist is much more appropriate...but what are they gonna call it, the war on religion? or the war on Islam?

We all know what it really was. A war to secure oil.

I just have a problem with the generalization and where the lines are being drawn, because they always seem to get drawn in the favor of the USA.

Saddam Hussein wasn't half the threat the North Korea was and still is. So why havent the USA invaded North Korea...Probably because theres nothing useful as far as resources, and they arent 100% sure that they can win with minimal casualties. Why havent they stepped in to aid in Darfur?

They seem to say one thing, but the actions show another.

Again, Im not saying its right or wrong, but there are religious extremists in Every country, just not all of them commit suicide because they are convinced they will be sent to paradise.

Im not claiming to have the right answers or a better way, but a war on terrorists or terrorism can never be won. Theres no way to defeat all the terrorists or terrorism. There will always be people in this world who disagree with other people.


Honestly...at this point, it seems like the world might even be better off without religion, it seems all war and "terrorism" sprouts from religious extremism of some sort.


ps: When I wrote that post I was heated and drunk, and it was a while ago, I would probably word it a bit different now.

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Is there some PC term for pothead? I apologize if that term offends anyone. I consider myself a pothead,.. and define the word as anyone who enjoys reefer more than the average joe. Just like I would define Deadhead as someone who likes the grateful dead. What would one call someone who partakes in MJ more than once or twice a month,.. someone who buys, or grows MJ?

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I was just joking man...I dont think anyone here will care if you call them stoners... But you never know..

I think the most PC term would be a Marijuana Connoisseur....lol

i've had to deal with numerous drug dogs and BC is 1000% correct when he says that they dont just go after drugs they smell. the handler just points to various places to show the dog where to sniff if he gets a signal from the dog the cop checks it out. even though these dogs are trained to an incredible degree they are not prefect they constantly miss things or smell somthing that isn't even drugs and give their handler a sign, i've seen dog's miss a rather large amount of drugs and i believe it was simply just because the handler didn't point there.

oh and as far as my favorite vacation smuggling technique ( which is what is thread is about) the most fool proff thing i have done is to go buy a dutch master and a real cigar (one you have to cut) that comes in a steel tube get a pair of tweezers and pull all of the tobbacco out of the dutch stuff it as tight as you can with buds and put 1/2" of the tobbacco back on top then put the dutch in the tube from the other cigar and just throw it in your regular luggage ( carry on if you prefer) thousands of people every day travel with cigars and i would be astonished if they took out your cigar and cut it open.
P.S. dont you watch the news, i wouldnt travel to mexico rite now it you gave me half a million dollars. mostly because of H1N1 and on top of that you have terrible drug wars to contend with.

Yes, I again agree with almost everything you wrote. Yeah the words terrorist and war on terror come out of Bush's administration. There was a documentary on recently about those type phrases that presidential administrations come up with and Bush's were garbage.

I only disagree with your statement; "Saddam Hussein wasn't half the threat the North Korea was and still is."
I'm very close to a Korean family and asked them about it back when it started,.. They say, A koreans bark is worse than his bite,.. that Kim Jongil loves his people and will posture just to get his country in the headlines. That even though it's basically a third world country and that they're starving from food shortages,.. the average citizen loves Kim as well, and think that North Korea is one of the premier countries in the world. That through extreme censorship and policing dissidents, that the people only see and think what the government wants them to see and think.

They'll probalby open up years, if not decades down the road if only to improve their economy. South Korea is blowing them away,.. Samsung, sanyo, Kia,.. Hyundai.,. North Korea is kind of like this generations Cuba. He makes demands,.. which are always really big, but then he counteroffers really small,.. the UN and US keep him happy,.. he won't do anything real. He does stuff like saying,.. give me 400 billion dollars to buy grain for my people,.. and then shoots a rocket,.. and accepts 10 million worth of grain delivered to his ports from the UN. (that's an example of his style,. I can't recall the real demands which are always made months in advance) He just plays a political game.

Hussein on the other hand,.. the family tortured the Iraq soccer team for not winning the world cup,.. enough said.

P.S. Posting while intoxicated is understandable,.. I'm sure I've done the same.

I3oredom.. yeah I know not all drug dogs are the same nor handlers. And shepards are picked for their demeanor not sense of smell,.. perhaps I was already irked by BC previous discussions and it rubbed me wrong to read something which I mistakingly thought was a statement that people carrying don't have to worry about the dog. I've seen a drug dog go absolutely nuts over something and it was just residue,.. so I would not be inclined to suggest not to worry about a drug dog.

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I3oredom.. yeah I know not all drug dogs are the same nor handlers. And shepards are picked for their demeanor not sense of smell,.. perhaps I was already irked by BC previous discussions and it rubbed me wrong to read something which I mistakingly thought was a statement that people carrying don't have to worry about the dog. I've seen a drug dog go absolutely nuts over something and it was just residue,.. so I would not be inclined to suggest not to worry about a drug dog.

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No, i definetly wouldnt say that either those things scare the shit out of me

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I've seen a drug dog go absolutely nuts over something and it was just residue,.. so I would not be inclined to suggest not to worry about a drug dog.

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Thats odd, usually if the dogs are aggressive like that they will get tested again and possibly retired.

The dogs are always used as a tool to find drugs. They never want the dogs to be aggressive or try to lead the handler, the dogs are always trained to let the handler lead and to Never run after or alert from distractions.

This is how it was anyway, Im sure the standards of training change constantly. But the basic concept should still stand true, the dogs are a tool to assist the handler, when a well trained dog is working with a handler that understands the dog then they can be Very, Very effective at finding drugs. I wouldnt risk my ass to try and get passed them. But pretty much if they arent making a point to search you or your vehicle, the dogs arent going to find anything.

That being said, a good handler will notice if his dog is a bit more interested in one vehicle then another, and the handler may then spend more time with his dog searching that vehicle.


As far as not worrying about drug dogs...I dont think anyone suggested not to worry, at least not me anyway. I personally would never risk trying to beat a drug dog... Its not worth it. Im just putting the info out there, what you do with it is up to you. But my advise is, even after hearing all the stories from my uncle is....Don't. You might get through once or twice, or 20 times, then maybe you will get cocky and think its easy, but its not and one day a persistant handler will come walking your way and that will be the end of it.

from what i know they generally train these dogs in a forign language like german or somthing so the average person they are investigating can't give commands to the dog and they are traint to follow orders to a T. anyways where i was going with this is i have a friend who speaks german, his house got raided and he started screaming at the dog in german, i guess he was somehow shaming the dog and as soon as he said a certain thing the dog just bolted away out of his house and as far as i know the cops never found the dog.

BC,. Yeah,.. I know you didn't mean that,.. sorry.

About the dogs,.. I never talked to my ex about it much and she didn't directly train police dogs. Weird,.. she was fluent in German and I never thought she'd use it on dogs. That's a funny story though.

She was involved at times with sniffers,... I would gather from what she did say, that there were different training programs. That a police dog, versus a DEA drug dog,.. versus just the random pooches they have at airport security, all probably go through different levels of training. And that the dogs that customs uses may go through the least behavior training and may be trained on a wider variety of smells,.. which probably can dilute the training for some dogs,..and different states may have different regulations on it.

I would also gather, that each trainer is probably handsomely paid per dog and some less scrupulous might take on more dogs than they can handle, so each one doesn't get the time required.

They're supposed to train customs dogs for 12 months, if I remember right. that doesn't mean the trainer gave it 12 months worth of time,.. only that it was in the program that long. Like I said,.. i'm no expert and might not remember conversations from ten years ago right. But I would guess that just because the dog gets a passing grade when tested,. doesn't mean it's super canine cop. Just like growers,.. it could have been a hermie that someone refused to pull from the garden. But it still gets ya stoned,..

coustoms dogs and dogs at airports are largely trained to sniff bombs, bomb materials, residue, ect. it's a good point that it may dilute the dogs sense of smell for other things

Yeah, there are a ton of different police dog programs, even for "sniffers" there will be dogs that specialize in certain types of drugs, or even explosives, basically anything with any substance or chemical with a distinct smell.

I know they also use dogs for finding wild truffles, and I even heard about Pigs being trained for that too, oddly enough.

Im sure the standards are different all over the world, but from what I remember, dogs were always trained to be used as a tool to assist the officer in finding the contraband. One of the most important traits in the drug dogs is Focus. The dog has to be able to pay attention to what the handler is doing and saying no matter what is going on around him.

And the dogs used in public are a Lot less aggressive/persistent then the dogs that are used strictly for searches. With the dogs used in public they have to be very well manured dogs and other traits may be sacrificed. If the cop rolls up with the dog in his car, or one of those K-9 units your screwed....lol.

The biggest difference is that with the dogs for strictly searching, they will Always ask you to get out of the vehicle and step away from it then search you by hand, and use the dog to check your vehicle. With the dogs used in public they will just walk around with the dogs, like at borders, and point out areas to check waiting for the dog to show any sign of interest, if the dog shows even the slightest interest the handler will search your vehicle. This is where the relationship between the dog and the handler becomes very important.

Yeah, you can make a very good living training dogs, even truffle dogs sell for $5-10k or more. Im not sure about truffle pigs tho....lol

yea the dogs used strictly in searches are definetly more agressive, the cops really don't care though. one time even after completley searching my pockets and patting me down the cop starts pointing all over me having this stupid thing sniff me up and down i thought it was gona kill me haha

This had to be the most retarded thing i ever heard. the coffee doesnt not stop dogs from hitting on the weed they smell right through it lol. Your actually going to smuggle 1/8 to mexico where you can get dank at less then $20 an oz anywheree without issue just got o an y club and you will have to fight off the amount of sellers willing to cut you a deal. This thing you made will show on your scan and get you pulled out for a full body cavity search as it looks like a bomb part or gas container. Im still laughing hard man absolutly the wrong things you could do. come on now think about it at least a little lol