The French Cannoli` Hash Thread

qwizoking

qwizoking

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where as the terpenes, with about 140 members forming the most abundant class, are widespread In the plant kingdom......again I'll find links later but that is suggesting a terpine produced or unique to the cannabis plant is defining a cannabinoid. I believe it to be any terpene effecting cb receptors. I'm not saying I'm always right. I'll look for a definative answer and post it uo

I think its the phenol at the end throwing you off, look Into turpene phenols....I'm out till morning and I'll hopefully answer the questions
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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qwizoking said:
where as the terpenes, with about 140 members forming the most abundant class, are widespread In the plant kingdom......again I'll find links later but that is suggesting a terpine produced or unique to the cannabis plant is defining a cannabinoid. I believe it to be any terpene effecting cb receptors. I'm not saying I'm always right. I'll look for a definative answer and post it uo
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I am blown away by what you brought to this thread today, not that I understand much to tell the truth but I'll be working on it. I had a basic French education (no College, University,et.) and I am mostly self-taught for anything else so bare with me if I am a little slow on some details.
Thanks for the input
 
jon daly

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im in the same boat frenchy, not understanding the info fully...yet but props to qwizo for all the post today, gave us
some homework so it seems! also frenchy was wondering if you were going to enter some of this seasons pinot into the
Emerald cup? you can only use organic outdoor trims/flowers and i believe its only organic earth friendly
techniques allowed. i dont think they allow bho... not sure of the rules this year im waiting for them to post it
on their site.
 
jon daly

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i also was curious as to what your thoughts were on when to harvest your plant for producing hash?
for example should i harvest when trichomes are clear, cloudy, or amber? or is it strain dependent and
more up to the high your looking for like with flowers?
 
blacksun

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qwizoking said:
I believe it to be any terpene effecting cb receptors.
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If terpenes can affect our cb receptors, is it possible that different terpenes, and even different levels of each, could have differing effects on them as well? Apologies for the noob question.
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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jon daly said:
im in the same boat frenchy, not understanding the info fully...yet but props to qwizo for all the post today, gave us
some homework so it seems! also frenchy was wondering if you were going to enter some of this seasons pinot into the
Emerald cup? you can only use organic outdoor trims/flowers and i believe its only organic earth friendly
techniques allowed. i dont think they allow bho... not sure of the rules this year im waiting for them to post it
on their site.
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No BHO this year and entry from all over the world. I have spoken to some Dutch this week-end who were entering. Outdoor and organic are mandatory
I will enter a competition for the first time at the Emerald Cup, 1 entry with Cannabis Afficionado and it will be the Pinot and 1 entry for TGA from Sub outdoor garden.
It will be hold in Santa Rosa this year to accommodate a lot more people than in the past
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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jon daly said:
i also was curious as to what your thoughts were on when to harvest your plant for producing hash?
for example should i harvest when trichomes are clear, cloudy, or amber? or is it strain dependent and
more up to the high your looking for like with flowers?
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I would think the same as what you are looking in your flowers
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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blacksun said:
If terpenes can affect our cb receptors, is it possible that different terpenes, and even different levels of each, could have differing effects on them as well? Apologies for the noob question.
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I would imagine but as I was saying I will need some time to digest what Qwizoking shared with us
 
qwizoking

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"chemical standpoint, terpenes are a large and varied class of hydrocarbons that make up a majority of plant resins and saps. The name “terpene” comes from turpentine, a terpene-based solvent distilled from pinesap. Essential oils, composed primarily of terpenes, have a long history of topical and internal medicinal use. Cannabinoids like THC are chemically classified as terpenoids, meaning they are derived from terpenes themselves. This explains the common practice among marijuana users of judging the quality of dried cannabis or hashish based largely on the quality and intensity of the smell"...was that the article I put up? Nvm I went with the Berkeley one, while that does help clarify thc being a terpine but not really what distinguishes a cannabinoid.

Interesting you ask that. Many of the cannabinoids have a bi phasic effect. Many act synergesically mediating the altering intensity length and duration of the high especially..in low doses they act one way but high doses can act oppositely. This is the biggest reason is not being used medically, for instance while it can lower heart rate at low doses it increases at high, a specific concern for patients with heart disease ect.....I'll start putting up articles in a minute
 
qwizoking

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So I figured I would put all the pdf's I have downloaded but I'm not sure I'll be able to get em on here nevertheless they are all worth the read despite how long and tedious, some are extremely long but I guarantee you'll learn something on every page....

CannabisReview.pdf www.oregon.gov. that's the longest one, but has alot of info.I think your gonna have to type name and address in Google to pull them up

vcampus.uom.ac.mu. 2003122103128.pdf that goes in detail about terpines, only briefly about thc

Chemo-type-kaart-Alpha-Cat1.pdf. . www.alpha-cat.org. talking about but not very in depth of how we use cannabinoid profiles along with other terpenes to determine cannabis lineage, thought it was interesting

437.full.pdf aob.oxfordjournals.org. that talks about trichomes not necessarily cannabis specific but trichomes aren't only found on cannabis sometimes the best way to learn about something is to study something similar

00450610903258144.pdf www.tandfonline.com ...one of the studies showing degredation over time

CBDA_Anti_proliferative-1.pdf www.medicalgenomics.com goes pretty in depth on cbda it might be hard to understand at points but the discussion/conclusion brings up some interesting points and properties you can only get from non decarbed bud. Specifically cbda.. which is the precursor to cbd and gets turned into thc under uv-c light.. interesting for edibles and medical patients

Well I'll just put those up for now, since Im pretty sure you won't be able to click a link...I'll be back, soon as I figure out how to do this.
 
qwizoking

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Also I personally harvest for hash when clear to cloudy, for my strains somewhere around week 17 or so. The flavors are very light, floral sweet and delicate. I harvest my bud however around week 22 to let the more unique full robust flavors out in my smoke. It keeps my hash as clear as possible possible for visual appeal while retaining the racy psychedelic qualities I like. I harvest my bud later with some amber, the high is altered slightly but its worth it for the taste and weight/bud appeal...though I do also make a "red hash"from iso, not as selective toward thc, it likes to pick up the full range of cannabinoids. After further processing it reveals a bright red hash oil because of this vs my other clear/gold hexane/saline etoh wash. And is very sedative and medicinal...light is the strongest influence on degredation, most don't realize this especially when in solution. So I also make my oil below freezing and in the dark
 
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qwizoking said:
Also I personally harvest for hash when clear to cloudy, for my strains somewhere around week 17 or so. The flavors are very light, floral sweet and delicate. I harvest my bud however around week 22 to let the more unique full robust flavors out in my smoke. It keeps my hash as clear as possible possible for visual appeal while retaining the racy psychedelic qualities I like. I harvest my bud later with some amber, the high is altered slightly but its worth it for the taste and weight/bud appeal...though I do also make a "red hash"from iso, not as selective toward thc, it likes to pick up the full range of cannabinoids. After further processing it reveals a bright red hash oil because of this vs my other clear/gold hexane/saline etoh wash. And is very sedative and medicinal...light is the strongest influence on degredation, most don't realize this especially when in solution. So I also make my oil below freezing and in the dark
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That's a great, clear, detailled, usefull description, coming from someone that seems to know his shit.

Thanks man, peace!
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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qwizoking said:
Also I personally harvest for hash when clear to cloudy, for my strains somewhere around week 17 or so. The flavors are very light, floral sweet and delicate. I harvest my bud however around week 22 to let the more unique full robust flavors out in my smoke. It keeps my hash as clear as possible possible for visual appeal while retaining the racy psychedelic qualities I like. I harvest my bud later with some amber, the high is altered slightly but its worth it for the taste and weight/bud appeal...though I do also make a "red hash"from iso, not as selective toward thc, it likes to pick up the full range of cannabinoids. After further processing it reveals a bright red hash oil because of this vs my other clear/gold hexane/saline etoh wash. And is very sedative and medicinal...light is the strongest influence on degredation, most don't realize this especially when in solution. So I also make my oil below freezing and in the dark
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Good morning and thanks for the link, some studies to do today.
I just would like to mention that you are not making Hashish, since you are into details you may as well name your product as they should. When you dissolve trichomes the result will not be hashish.
You collect trichomes 4-5 weeks before they are fully ripe, just because it looks pretty. You remind me of somebody who also think only of the look.
Hashish well made showcase the full flavors of the flowers at the pick of their ripeness, you like eating a fruit green, it can be good but it will not be IT.
 
Frenchy Cannoli

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I have another question for you Quizoking
I believe that a mass of resin will "absorb/dissolve" broken trichomes membranes and other vegetal debris during the first months of curing. My experience tells me that it happens and that with aging, it is the reason for a smoother and mellower smoke.
Right - Wrong or close
Thanks man
 
qwizoking

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Well I'm not really sure what I should call my product, I guess shatter will do.. my product is in a way for prettiness. But more so its for psychoactivity, my goal is to have as pure thc, thcv and cbc as possible, though flavor is somewhat compromised its beneficial to the end product. Besides it still cures and flavors do come out, quite strong just more delicate. But a lot of people harvest clear to cloudy especially at cups/connoisseur looking for those lighter aromas... but the cannabinoids As they are clear color speaks volumes on potency and what cannabinoids are present. My hash is not designed for flavor but effect. My red oil for the cbds ect. My clear/gold for trippy racy....

pressing the resin heads decarbs and ruptures them. The product has a longer shelf life according to the study about twice as long as unpressed, and the sedative qualities being double that. So pressing increses shelf life drastically while heat appears to be the major reason for loss of terpenes light destroys the cannabinoids for the most part. Partially sealing the pressed hash. The pressing also reduces surface area that can react to oxygen and burn.. somewhere in one of the links it talked about that. Thus creating a smooth smoke.... did that help?
 
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