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POLL: RIU Users Conservative or Liberal?

Your current Political Views are best described as:

  • Libertarian

    Votes: 15 29.4%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 9 17.6%

  • Leaning Conservative

    Votes: 4 7.8%

  • Independent (Only true Independents plz)

    Votes: 10 19.6%

  • Leaning Liberal

    Votes: 3 5.9%

  • Liberal

    Votes: 7 13.7%

  • Socialist

    Votes: 3 5.9%
  • Total voters
    51
FreedomWorks

FreedomWorks

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Is it just brother's keeper? I thought it goes "I am my brothers keeper"? I find it interesting how Obama quotes that often, but then it turns out his brother lives in the slums of Kenya (George Obama) but Barrack has done nothing to try and help him out of poverty. Barely surviving on 20$ a week. What kind of a brother's keeper keeps the millions all to himself?
 
FreedomWorks

FreedomWorks

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Dinesh D'Souza was the man to help out Obama's brother when his son needed a life saving surgery. How come Barrack only wants to reach out to Mexico with food stamps? What about Kenya? Can George Obama get some love too?
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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FreedomWorks said:
Is it just brother's keeper? I thought it goes "I am my brothers keeper"? I find it interesting how Obama quotes that often, but then it turns out his brother lives in the slums of Kenya (George Obama) but Barrack has done nothing to try and help him out of poverty. Barely surviving on 20$ a week. What kind of a brother's keeper keeps the millions all to himself?
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It makes perfect sense, Obama cares as much for his brother as Cain did.

I put in my last post, "(I know not) Am I my brother's keeper."
 
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an11dy9

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Canna Sylvan said:
Brother's keeper comes from the Bible. Cain slew Abel. Afterwards Cain was a smart ass and responded, "Am I my brother's keeper," when God asked where his brother was.

I don't care how you and Obama want to interpret the phrase, " 'ach shamar," which means to watch over intently, like a shepard does his flock.

Cain knew God knew what he had done, so he was trying to justify it by calling Abel an animal, which God allowed them to kill.

Think about it, why would a reference to the first murderer mean to sick up for your fellow man, or protecting our entitlements, like you said? It was Cain mocking God.
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In your original post when YOU brought up "brother's keeper" you were talking about President Obama- Rambling about his brother in Kenya or something... You then mentioned one of his most well known quote from his keynote speech that launched his successful presidential run. So any logical person would conclude you were referencing his "brother's keeper" quote. I explained to you what most logical, non conspiratorial people think it means. I also asked you a question--

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  • I think you have a fundamental misunderstand of what "you are your brothers keeper..." means.. What that quote refers to is- say my house gets searched without a warrant, or my peaceful rally in favor or legalizing marijuana use ends in arrest, or any other situation where my civil liberties are jeopardized- Its your job and everyone else s job to stick up for me and stop my rights from being infringed... Why??? So that it doesn't happen to you! When my civil liberties are infringed upon, so are yours. If they can to it to me, they can do it to you. Understand? I'm sure you would agree to that... Wouldn't you? It has nothing to do with "forcing lifestyles" or "giving help" as in welfare, just protecting what WE ALL are entitled too."

    You then respond by quoting the bible and the origins of the term - Brother's keeper....???... What does the bible have to do with what you were talking about? I think you are side stepping the issue. You said "I don't care how you and Obama want to interpret the phrase".... Why do you disagree with it? Do you not think we should fight to preserve our civil liberties? Again... Here is my original question-- I'd love for you to share how you feel instead of sidestepping the issue--

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    • I think you have a fundamental misunderstand of what "you are your brothers keeper..." means.. What that quote refers to is- say my house gets searched without a warrant, or my peaceful rally in favor or legalizing marijuana use ends in arrest, or any other situation where my civil liberties are jeopardized- Its your job and everyone else s job to stick up for me and stop my rights from being infringed... Why??? So that it doesn't happen to you! When my civil liberties are infringed upon, so are yours. If they can to it to me, they can do it to you. Understand? I'm sure you would agree to that... Wouldn't you? It has nothing to do with "forcing lifestyles" or "giving help" as in welfare, just protecting what WE ALL are entitled too."

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an11dy9

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FreedomWorks said:
Is it just brother's keeper? I thought it goes "I am my brothers keeper"? I find it interesting how Obama quotes that often, but then it turns out his brother lives in the slums of Kenya (George Obama) but Barrack has done nothing to try and help him out of poverty. Barely surviving on 20$ a week. What kind of a brother's keeper keeps the millions all to himself?
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Yes, you're right... Of course there is more to the quote.. Although, if I remember correctly its not "I am my brother's keeper" as you said... I think its more along the lines of "You are your brother's keeper- You are your sister's keeper" ... I might just have a listen to confirm when I get a chance.. What a speech!!!

As far the whole Kenya thing (Damn you guys love O's history)(I smell a birther LMAO)... Are you suggesting we give aid to Kenya? Or are you talking about on a personal level? You said foodstamps specifically.. And since when have we been providing "foodstamps" (I think you mean SNAP) to Mexico's citizens? What on earth are you talking about? Please enlighten me, I'm very interested in what you have to say.
 
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

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Moebius said:
Ive never heard of the term Social Darwinism ... Is that like 'Survival of the fittest (or richest)' type shit?
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I understand it as, 'those who are most capable will succeed, those less capable will fall by the wayside', its more about who has money, how smart a person is, how selfish the individual is. although that is oversimplifying it.
 
deprave

deprave

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I voted for libertarian, technically I am a very slightly left leaning libertarian anarchist aka voluntarism or anarcho-capilist most people who vote libertarian on here are going to be the minarchist, objectivist, or social libertarian. Just going by my discussions with people on here, but to be fair we are very similar, either you understand liberty or you don't.
 
deprave

deprave

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Omgwtfbbq Indicaman said:
isn't social darwinism the outcome of Libertarianism? i know all cult of Ayn Rand tend to believe so.
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Your partially correct, it used to be a real thing which applied to eugenicists such as the Nazi's, Today Its more of a derogatory term applied incorrectly to laissez-faire capitalistic philosophies used by the left. The fact is that its addressed in these philosophies through things such as doas, free market, and charity, its not ignored, regardless if you agree with that or not the point is that laissez-faire capitalism do not believe "only the strongest survive" and they do account for this in their philosophies therefore NOT "Social Darwinism"


 

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Moebius

Moebius

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deprave said:
Your partially correct, it used to be a real thing which applied to eugenicists such as the Nazi's
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But the Nazi's never let society determine its own course in a Darwinian fashion. They simply looked at the colour of your skin of where you came from and if they didn't like you then they would fuck you up.

It was Totalitarian, and what Fuhrer wanted he got. It was utterly whimsical and devoid of philosophy or principal. Hitler wanted to convince people there was method to his madness but actually he was just a little man with psychopathic issues.
 
deprave

deprave

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Moebius said:
But the Nazi's never let society determine its own course in a Darwinian fashion. They simply looked at the colour of your skin of where you came from and if they didn't like you then they would fuck you up.

It was Totalitarian, and what Fuhrer wanted he got. It was utterly whimsical and devoid of philosophy or principal. Hitler wanted to convince people there was method to his madness but actually he was just a little man with psychopathic issues. ... Dude killed his own children.
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They were still eugenists which believe only the strong survive, google Social Darwinism please sir.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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deprave said:
They were still eugenists which believe only the strong survive, google Social Darwinism please sir.
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Cool ... I would rather you didnt call me 'Sir' though. Thankyou

I found this - biologists and historians maintain that it is rather a perversion of Charles Darwin's ideas.
Basically what I said.
 
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