Should the US shed blood for Ukraine

Should the USA along with NATO defend Ukraine with troops.

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 40.4%

  • No

    Votes: 59 59.6%
  • Total voters
    99
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i'd like to see the Ukrains get the migs and start using them to run missions into russia. bomb the fucking convoys on the way to the border, bomb storage facilities where military supplies are stored, bomb oil storage facilities...take the fight to putin...and shove it down his fucking throat
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My dirty fantasy is B-52s being released to walk sticks of JDAMs up and down every road, railway and dock currently hosting stalled Russians. No way to make it happen without crossing the Line in the Mud.
 
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I imagine some of these will be going into Kyiv and around it, that should keep the Russian planes at bay. It will make it dangerous to bomb other cities too. Right now they are using effective mostly Soviet type SAMs and NATO inherited a lot of those too. These are super portable and mobile, shoot and run to a new spot.
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As War Drags On, Russia Expert Says ‘Putin Needs To Watch His Back’

Leon Aron, who was born in Soviet Moscow before emigrating to the United States, joins MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss his Washington Post op-ed about how failed military defeats have toppled previous Russian regimes and why the war in Ukraine could “undermine Putin’s regime very severely” as the truth about the invasion and deaths of Russian soldiers begins to trickle into the country.
 
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Budley Doright said:
Yes I know, exactly! “Look at what those Nazi fascist did to the motherland”.
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It might be a go to for Vlad, but it could lead to things he doesn't like. I suspect he blew up those apartment buildings in Moscow to go after the Chechens and level Grozny, so he has a history. However Kyiv is not surrounded and won't be anytime soon, refugees are streaming out and the place is full of Soviet era nuclear bomb shelters that Zelenskiys people and government are working out of and storing supplies. Even if Vlad used a tactical nuke on it, it would probably do little good and cities are the only targets for those, there are no troop concentrations. Just small teams of tank hunters with NLAWs, Sweden alone gave 7,000 of them, Sweden! Stingers take close tactical air support off the table and these two modern weapons have negated much of Russia's combat power and changed land war forever. No more blitzkrieg armor attacks supported by close tactical air support made famous by the Germans. It will be an infantry fight and almost the whole Ukrainian army will be combat troops, young women and older men will do logistics using NATO supplies. They will soon have the combat power the size of a nation many times their size and the ground won't dry out for maneuver until a few weeks. Meanwhile this is costing him a fortune that can't be maintained for more than a month, maybe two before he goes broke.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Budley Doright said:
I imagine the Russian storyline is Ukraine did it ….. this is really shedding light on how much propaganda can sway the masses.
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putin doesn't have the finances to keep this up long, he'll only have two choices, retreat, or start escalating, try to hold them hostage with the threat of nuclear annihilation. either way, he's fucked. if he lets those men come home without securing Ukraine, they'll start talking. soon everyone will realize that putin is lying to them, and has been for decades.
if he seriously threatens to use nuclear weapons, then all bets are off, and while he will certainly cause a lot of damage on his way out, he'll be destroyed, along with at least all of moscow.
the thing about lying to people, is you have to keep doing it...lies propagate themselves, and become harder and harder to manage. you lie about the grain harvest, then you have to lie about why bread prices are still going up...so you tell them America quit selling tractor parts to russia, so vast fields of wheat rotted in the fields, unable to be harvested...then you have to explain to the farmers why they didn't see those vast fields of wheat rotting in the fields....oh, those fields were all in the west...but you have to tell the farmers in the east that those fields were in the east...eventually, the farmers in the east are going to run into some farmers from the west, compare notes, and wonder why shit don't add up...
putin is about to experience what that is like
 
Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
putin doesn't have the finances to keep this up long, he'll only have two choices, retreat, or start escalating, try to hold them hostage with the threat of nuclear annihilation. either way, he's fucked. if he lets those men come home without securing Ukraine, they'll start talking. soon everyone will realize that putin is lying to them, and has been for decades.
if he seriously threatens to use nuclear weapons, then all bets are off, and while he will certainly cause a lot of damage on his way out, he'll be destroyed, along with at least all of moscow.
the thing about lying to people, is you have to keep doing it...lies propagate themselves, and become harder and harder to manage. you lie about the grain harvest, then you have to lie about why bread prices are still going up...so you tell them America quit selling tractor parts to russia, so vast fields of wheat rotted in the fields, unable to be harvested...then you have to explain to the farmers why they didn't see those vast fields of wheat rotting in the fields....oh, those fields were all in the west...but you have to tell the farmers in the east that those fields were in the east...eventually, the farmers in the east are going to run into some farmers from the west, compare notes, and wonder why shit don't add up...
putin is about to experience what that is like
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Putin has 100,000 hostages so far.

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Kremlin Vet: They’ll Overthrow Putin Before Giving Him ‘Bad News’ About Russian Setbacks In Ukraine

U.S. intelligence officers are warning Putin is “angry” and “frustrated” that Russia has failed to rapidly seize Ukraine’s capitol city. Russian insider and Putin critic Andrei Kozyrev, who served as the Russian Foreign Minister from 1991 to 1996, joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber to discuss Putin’s state of mind and the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.
 
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