Police: Pot might be factor in Montana killing

st0wandgrow said:

Wanting to and being ready to aren't the same thing.

These kids were breaking in to homes. They picked the wrong house. I'm not saying that's how I would have handled the situation, but I don't blame the home owner for defending his family and his property.

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Because you value property over life.

If you value property over life just admit it and own it. It shouldn't be so hard to own that.

Why deny it?

abandonconflict said:

If you value property over life just admit it and own it. It shouldn't be so hard to own that.

Why deny it?

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So in your mind anyone entering your home in the middle of the night is ALWAYS and ONLY there to steal things?

Hope you don't get killed believing that.

abandonconflict said:

He was not in danger. He knew this because he was looking at an unarmed teenager on cctv. He anticipated that his home would be broken into. He was armed and popped out to surprise the kid. Like you, he values property over life.

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Read the case, he couldn't see clearly on the cameras at all because they were in a dark room with no night vision capability. He could see a shape in there, but in no way could make out whether the person was a teen or whether or not he was armed.

After a second thought on this i wonder how much ganj he had.. surprised they are not charging him with furtherance of drig trafficking with a firearm, that charge is the only reason my mossberg and my grow will never share the same residence.

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If you have to distort everything I say in order to retort, you're arguing with yourself.

abandonconflict said:

Because you value property over life.

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I don't own a gun, and if someone broke in to my house with a weapon they would be able to help themselves to my belongings.

You've dug your heels in on a silly position

abandonconflict said:

That isn't what the prosecutor is ready to argue.

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Gee you think? I bet the prosecutor won't argue anything that would make the shooter look innocent. Just a guess.

st0wandgrow said:

I don't own a gun, and if someone broke in to my house with a weapon they would be able to help themselves to my belongings.

You've dug your heels in on a silly position

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I know already that growers can't own firearms.

I'm a grower and I own several firearms. I even have a license to carry..

abandonconflict said:

I know already that growers can't own firearms.

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Growing has nothing to do with it. I didn't own a gun prior to growing, and I have no intentions on owning one if I stop growing

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Gee you think? I bet the prosecutor won't argue anything that would make the shooter look innocent. Just a guess.

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You have managed to drag me away from my original point. Congrats.

Like I said before, there is a particular political disposition which apparently correlates with valuing property over life. It makes this sort of case into a polemic discussion.

You want to focus on legality of killing intruders, but if you had ever killed anyone you would know that the law doesn't absolve you.

In this case however, it is clear that someone killed someone else and the dead person becomes the threat he could have been. No thought is given to the FACT that it was actually an unarmed dumb kid.

Instead you focus on the legality because you think I am arguing that guns should be taken from free people. This guy just wanted to legally kill someone, and I know all about ass holes like that. In hindsight it is already a fact, beyond debate that this kid was not armed yet you still can't express that this is regrettable.

Maybe that's why you joined the Marines yourself. So you could kill.

abandonconflict said:

I know already that growers can't own firearms.

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What the hell does that have to do with anything.

SirGreenThumb said:

I'm a grower and I own several firearms. I even have a license to carry..

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You are putting yourself in a risky situation, they unfortunately do not see you as an american exercising your second amendment who likes a lil green. You are an armed criminal who is endangerjling their way of life. Sad but this is the truth.
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natro.hydro said:

You are putting yourself in a risky situation, they unfortunately do not see you as an american exercising your second amendment who likes a lil green. You are an armed criminal who is endangerjling their way of life. Sad but this is the truth.
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Oh I know.
But here is the thing; If someone was to break into my place and I put 2 in their chest, by the time the police came there would be nothing in sight for them to know that I have or am growing.. There is no smell, no extra heat and no noticeable noise.. Only thing the police would do if they came to my place after finding out that I am legally allowed to carry is they would say good job, one more of these fuckers off the street.

abandonconflict said:

You have managed to drag me away from my original point. Congrats.

Like I said before, there is a particular political disposition which apparently correlates with valuing property over life. It makes this sort of case into a polemic discussion.

You want to focus on legality of killing intruders, but if you had ever killed anyone you would know that the law doesn't absolve you.

In this case however, it is clear that someone killed someone else and the dead person becomes the threat he could have been. No thought is given to the FACT that it was actually an unarmed dumb kid.

Instead you focus on the legality because you think I am arguing that guns should be taken from free people. This guy just wanted to legally kill someone, and I know all about ass holes like that. In hindsight it is already a fact, beyond debate that this kid was not armed yet you still can't express that this is regrettable.

Maybe that's why you joined the Marines yourself. So you could kill.

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You can't read minds so you have no idea if he actually wanted to kill the kid or not. Great way to try and vet your opinion as anything but though.

If the kid had not committed a crime, he would still be alive.

the kid put things into motion, not the shooter.

But the shooter clearly anticipated that his home would be broken into and planned accordingly. His plan was as responsible for the kid's death as the kid's plan was.

I don't have to read minds. I'm only pointing out that in order to defend this one must value property over life.

From my perspective the only person who didn't care about life was the kid breaking into peoples houses. That is a complete disregard for ones own life.

It isn't like the home owner sent out a memo saying; hey I want to kill an unarmed kid, come break into my house so I can legally do so.
That logic is idiotic.

SirGreenThumb said:

From my perspective the only person who didn't care about life was the kid breaking into peoples houses. That is a complete disregard for ones own life.

It isn't like the home owner sent out a memo saying; hey I want to kill an unarmed kid, come break into my house so I can legally do so.
That logic is idiotic.

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A German exchange student would not know how dangerous it is.

abandonconflict said:

A German exchange student would not know how dangerous it is.

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Oh bullshit.
Common sense tells you not to break into something that isn't yours and there are consequences for ones actions.