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SneekyNinja

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Jesus, someone mentions Israel and it goes down fast.

Don't blame Israelis and Palestinians for the mess caused by their leaders.

On the ground the vast majority of people have no hatred for each other whatsoever. It's a shame the political situation can't get sorted, so many historically opposed groups reconcile eventually usually to the benefit of the common man.

I'll leave it at that.
 

Drowning-Man

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Jesus, someone mentions Israel and it goes down fast.

Don't blame Israelis and Palestinians for the mess caused by their leaders.

On the ground the vast majority of people have no hatred for each other whatsoever. It's a shame the political situation can't get sorted, so many historically opposed groups reconcile eventually usually to the benefit of the common man.

I'll leave it at that.
This shit goes back to the days of issac and ismael. There will never be peace.
 

Fogdog

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What language is that?

Bullshit?

Stupid?

He posted accurate maps and you can't even acknowledge them. You're a sick bigoted racist as bad as Buck.
The argument was over his analogy comparing Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews to Israels treatment of Palestinians. That's false and you and I have had the same argument. I am not defending Israel's treatment of Palestinians, I'm just defending the truth. Israel's treatment of Palestinians is different from Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews in terms of scope, acts, philosophy and intent. I pulled up a list of differences and he just rode right over that. If you want to argue, take a look at that list and I'll be glad to pick it over with you.

In response to those maps. I brought up the behavior of the US towards the first people. We took their lands too and I asked if the US was like Nazi Germany because of how we haven't returned the lands. His response was crickets.

The argument is over a false equivalency, not whether or not Israel is in the wrong. The best analogy I can make is that Israel's treatment of its Arab and Palestinian citizens is similar to the US's treatment of black men and women.

In the end, AC made the correct claim. Luke is just another fucking antisemitic bigot and his issue is his hatred against Jews. To this I have no rational response because he isn't coming from a rational place.
 

socalcoolmx

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The argument was over his analogy comparing Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews to Israels treatment of Palestinians. That's false and you and I have had the same argument. I am not defending Israel's treatment of Palestinians, I'm just defending the truth. Israel's treatment of Palestinians is different from Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews in terms of scope, acts, philosophy and intent. I pulled up a list of differences and he just rode right over that. If you want to argue, take a look at that list and I'll be glad to pick it over with you.

In response to those maps. I brought up the behavior of the US towards the first people. We took their lands too and I asked if the US was like Nazi Germany because of how we haven't returned the lands. His response was crickets.

The argument is over a false equivalency, not whether or not Israel is in the wrong. The best analogy I can make is that Israel's treatment of its Arab and Palestinian citizens is similar to the US's treatment of black men and women.

In the end, AC made the correct claim. Luke is just another fucking antisemitic bigot and his issue is his hatred against Jews. To this I have no rational response because he isn't coming from a rational place.
What the nazi's did to The jews was absolutely a crime against humanity and very evil and what the white europeans did to native americans was also terrible, evil, and a crime against humanity.

I wasn't alive when these actions occurred so there was nothing I could do except don't let it happen again.

Today I see what is going on in Israel/Palestine and USA my country is enabling this to happen allowing Israel to break all international law and covering for them no wonder they act like tyrants
 

MarWan

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I am not defending Israel's treatment of Palestinians, I'm just defending the truth.


Do you get paid for it, or you do it out of believe?

Public diplomacy in Israel (also hasbara, Hebrew: הַסְבָּרָה‎ hasbará, "explaining") refers to public relations efforts to disseminate abroad positive information or propaganda about the State of Israel and its actions.[1][2] The term is used by the Israeli government and its supporters to describe efforts to explain government policies and promote Israel in the face of negative press, and to counter what they see as delegitimisation of Israel around the world. Hasbara means "explanation", and is also a euphemism for propaganda.
 

schuylaar

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Do you get paid for it, or you do it out of believe?

Public diplomacy in Israel (also hasbara, Hebrew: הַסְבָּרָה‎ hasbará, "explaining") refers to public relations efforts to disseminate abroad positive information or propaganda about the State of Israel and its actions.[1][2] The term is used by the Israeli government and its supporters to describe efforts to explain government policies and promote Israel in the face of negative press, and to counter what they see as delegitimisation of Israel around the world. Hasbara means "explanation", and is also a euphemism for propaganda.
stupidity. just because you have degrees..
 

MarWan

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16-year-old Palestinian boy becomes symbol of Jerusalem protests


Israeli forces detain Fawzi al-Juneidi following clashes after protests in the West Bank city Hebron, 07 December 2017.

The 16-year-old Palestinian boy—whose photo of being dragged away blindfolded by dozens of Israeli soldiers has become a symbol of Jerusalem protests—is set to appear at an Israeli court Monday.

Fawzi al-Juneidi was detained in the occupied West Bank's Hebron while going to buy supplies for his family, his uncle Rashad al-Juneidi said Monday.

"He was badly beaten and detained by Israeli soldiers," Rashad said.

Fawsi's story is a familiar one among Palestinian families. At an early age, he had to drop out of school to support his family as the eldest of seven children.

According to the Palestinian Prisoners Society NGO, around 300 children are languishing in Israeli prisons.

Kazmar said some 700 Palestinian children have been court-martialed this year.

"Israel is the only country in the world where children are tried in military courts," he said.

"The fact that Palestinian children are subjected to custody and torture is a crime against humanity according to international law."
 

ttystikk

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16-year-old Palestinian boy becomes symbol of Jerusalem protests


Israeli forces detain Fawzi al-Juneidi following clashes after protests in the West Bank city Hebron, 07 December 2017.

The 16-year-old Palestinian boy—whose photo of being dragged away blindfolded by dozens of Israeli soldiers has become a symbol of Jerusalem protests—is set to appear at an Israeli court Monday.

Fawzi al-Juneidi was detained in the occupied West Bank's Hebron while going to buy supplies for his family, his uncle Rashad al-Juneidi said Monday.

"He was badly beaten and detained by Israeli soldiers," Rashad said.

Fawsi's story is a familiar one among Palestinian families. At an early age, he had to drop out of school to support his family as the eldest of seven children.

According to the Palestinian Prisoners Society NGO, around 300 children are languishing in Israeli prisons.

Kazmar said some 700 Palestinian children have been court-martialed this year.

"Israel is the only country in the world where children are tried in military courts," he said.

"The fact that Palestinian children are subjected to custody and torture is a crime against humanity according to international law."
That's not Hasbara.

Buckwit will be along shortly to scream distracting epithets.
 

Fogdog

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What the nazi's did to The jews was absolutely a crime against humanity and very evil and what the white europeans did to native americans was also terrible, evil, and a crime against humanity.

I wasn't alive when these actions occurred so there was nothing I could do except don't let it happen again.

Today I see what is going on in Israel/Palestine and USA my country is enabling this to happen allowing Israel to break all international law and covering for them no wonder they act like tyrants
I'm not defending Israel. I'm saying that equating Israel to Nazi Germany is false. Many of the countries who promote such propaganda treat their own people abominably.

Israel's treatment of Palestinians is abominable, especially in the territories it occupies or otherwise controls. Still not the same as Nazi Germany.
 
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Fogdog

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The argument is over a false equivalency, not whether or not Israel is in the wrong.
I know, it disagrees with your belief and so is wrong in your eyes but here is a list of differences

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
Arab political parties
Jews had no political parties in Nazi Germany
Representation in the Knesset
Jews were excluded from German politics

Representation in the civil service sphere

Jews could not hold civil service jobs
Israel Defense Forces:

Jews could not not serve in Nazi military
Legal and political status
Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[187]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[188] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[189] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[190] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[191]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[192] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[193]).

Jews had no civil rights in Nazi Germany
The list goes on. Such as a ban on intermarriage that could end in the death of both. Such as the confiscation of everything a Jewish person owned. Do I have to do more cutting and pasting? Yes in many cases, Arabs are made to feel like second class citizens. As in the US for black and Hispanic and Muslim minorities.




 

Fogdog

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Its OK, the Nazis wouldn't of court marshalled children.

o, wait...

Well, that must of been different.....somehow...
You are right. Nazis would have simply rounded everybody up, men, women and children and sent them to the gas chambers.
 
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