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Fogdog said:

Really, tty. The Israelis are going to be operating concentration camps and gas chambers in in the Israeli State? Which propaganda site did you get that from?

Yes, Israel is a military led government and has done all sorts of bad acts against Palestinians. It's a quagmire that the US has partnered with Israel to create. It's really, really bad. A simple review of the actions and policies of the Nazi government will show the important differences, including the exclusion, arrest and planned extermination of Jews. The propaganda tactic that you bought in to is a lie that is based upon the principle of telling as big a lie as possible and repeating it until people believe it is true.

I oppose and point out what is easily seen as manipulative propaganda. What with your professed belief in many fake conspiracy theories you can add the lie that Nazis treated Jews like Isreael treats Palestinians to the list. Maybe somebody can explain why this lie is being promoted. I don't understand the purpose of this lie but it is obviously a lie and don't like it one bit.

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Lucky Luke said:

You do realize that the Nazi did exactly the same thing to the Jews excluding slave labour and death camps right? Ok they don't have to wear a star of David but barring that its eerily similar.
Were you aware that there are roads only Israelis' can drive on? Are you aware that Palestinians are forced out of the homes so Jews can live there?
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Its no wonder the middle east hates America. Its supporting a systematic invasion that is driving Palestinians off their own country.

Just because I disagree with a countries policies does not make me anti semantic or a Jew hater. It simply means I don't agree with what they are doing.
I don't agree with Americas stance on Iran atm or their domestic health policy or the Travel bans, does that make me anti American? Of cause not.

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Fogdog said:

Repeating antisemitic propaganda makes you what then?

By repeating this propaganda lie, you are actually saying that Israel has an extermination policy regarding Palestinians. tty said the same. I completely agree that Israel is a pugnacious military state and disagree with US policies that support them. I disagree that anybody can equate Israel with Nazi Germany in scope, size, scale and intent of their actions.

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Lucky Luke said:

What anti semantic propaganda have I stated?

Were did I mention that the Jews will herd the Palestinians like cattle to be made into soap and fertilizer?

I have only mentioned what is in fact happening.

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Lucky Luke said:

anti semantic

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Fogdog said:

The depredations of Nazi Germany in no way compares to Israel's treatment of Palestinians. Sure, you can find acts that both did. You can find common acts among all people engaged in violent conflict. Not the same in entirety, not even close.

The UN's policies concern specific actions by Israel against the Palestinians. Have they said what you said about Nazi Germany being like Israel? I think not.

What's going on in Jerusalem regarding evictions and movement of Palestinians is abominable. Still not the same as what Nazi Germany did.

I said equating the two makes you a low life Jew hater. I didn't say you were anti-Semitic.

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Fogdog said:

I agree that Israel is [...] harming Palestinians.

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Sativied said:

Nothing ever changes here does it. That’s some funny shit right there. Right winged populist supporters use exactly the same line of (mal-)thinking when you start comparing their ideas to facism and nazism and their leader to Hitler; not exactly black (or white) so it’s not black (or white) - you’re just a hater.

UncleBuck ≈ Hitler. Not wearing a mustache isn’t really that relevant, the comparisson still holds true.

Comparing jews (real ones I mean) to nazis is just all wrong though, it’s the Palestinians who are the nazis. Don’t confuse jew with underdog or the losing side. The solution to the conflict is actually very simple, the good guys need a decisive win and Israel needs to expand again. And then build a wall, a huge wall. Maybe the US can become the wall expertise exporters like the Dutch do with dikes.

Israel hater... Palestinians deny the existence of Israel, so... jew hater.

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Sativied said:

Nothing ever changes here does it. That’s some funny shit right there. Right winged populist supporters use exactly the same line of (mal-)thinking when you start comparing their ideas to facism and nazism and their leader to Hitler; not exactly black (or white) so it’s not black (or white) - you’re just a hater.

UncleBuck ≈ Hitler. Not wearing a mustache isn’t really that relevant, the comparisson still holds true.

Comparing jews (real ones I mean) to nazis is just all wrong though, it’s the Palestinians who are the nazis. Don’t confuse jew with underdog or the losing side. The solution to the conflict is actually very simple, the good guys need a decisive win and Israel needs to expand again. And then build a wall, a huge wall. Maybe the US can become the wall expertise exporters like the Dutch do with dikes.

Israel hater... Palestinians deny the existence of Israel, so... jew hater.

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Fogdog said:

I'm not comparing Palestinians to Nazis either. There is nothing like what the Nazis were in the Middle East.

We have our own home grown neo-Nazis who aren't anything like the real ones either. Trump is their leader but he's no Hitler. We search for comparisons and find a few examples that look the same but in its entirety, not.

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Fogdog said:

Saying that Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews and Israel's treatment of Palestinians are the same is repeating anti semitic propaganda.

To equate the two is exactly the kind of description you provide.

I agree that Israel is illegally occupying territory and harming Palestinians. I don't agree the two states are acting alike.

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Lucky Luke said:

But they are in many ways the same. Concentration camps and slave labour aside how are they any different?

And it wasn't just Germany that did this to their Jews. Occupied France gave up theirs voluntarily. Russia was arguably just as bad as Germany also. But that's a different argument.

Why do you relate to what I'm saying only to Germany, in particular to Poland? Are not the Jews in other countries, for that matter anyone else who were persecuted at the time by the Germans like Homosexuals and Gypsies just as important?

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Fogdog said:

Jesus, man

Read up a little. The Nazis were fucking remorseless killers. Poland, where did that come up? In policy, in intent, in philosophy and in act, Nazis are different from Israelis. Yes, you can point to some areas where they are the same but not in any major way.

I could point you to some Wikipedia pages but what you ask -- me listing here the differences would be repeating what's already available.

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Lucky Luke said:

I'm by no means anti-Semitism.

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abandonconflict said:

Yes you are. Your posts are full of generalizations based on bigotry and not facts. You clearly think that being Jewish gives someone a certain disposition. What Israel does is based on politics. The nation state of Israel does not represent world Jewry and by acting as though it does, you're as much of a Zionist as anyone. You very much seem to be ascribing the guilt of Israel to the Jewish people of the world.

That is antisemitic and bigoted. You can stop it and live it down and let it go away, or you can dig in and get defensive and be remembered for this exchange. It is not antisemitic to reason against Zionism. What you have been doing in this thread is not that.

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Lucky Luke said:

Where did Poland come up? Your kidding right? You keep alluding to the extermination camps, where do you think most of those were located?

You think I should wiki some history? lol. Maybe you should understand what your arguing against and stop blowing what I say out of all proportion.

Aside from slave labour and death camps how is the Israelis treatment of Palestine's any different? Your seriously delusional if you cannot see the resemblance,

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Fogdog said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
Arab political parties

Jews had no political parties in Nazi Germany
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Representation in the Knesset

Jews were excluded from German politics​

Representation in the civil service sphere

Jews could not hold civil service jobs
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Israel Defense Forces:

Jews could not not serve in Nazi military
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Legal and political status
Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[187]

The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[188] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[189] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[190] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[191]

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[192] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army[193]).

Jews had no civil rights in Nazi Germany
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The list goes on. Such as a ban on intermarriage that could end in the death of both. Such as the confiscation of everything a Jewish person owned. Do I have to do more cutting and pasting? Yes in many cases, Arabs are made to feel like second class citizens. As in the US for black and Hispanic and Muslim minorities.

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Lucky Luke said:

Jews were forced out of their homes and forced to live in ghettos were they not in Nazi Germany?

Palestinians are forced out of there homes to live in ghettos by Israel are they not?

Whats not the same?

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Lucky Luke said:

Bullshit. I'm mealy disagreeing with the politics of Israel and linking what they are doing to the Palestinians with what was once done to them. Which in the terms I stated they are doing. Please argue how they are not?

Its funny I can be critical of America and people don't jump on me and scream "American hater!"

Whenever someone is critical of Israel someone always jumps up and screams 'Jew hater!" I suppose its allot easier to do that than argue how what they are doing to the Palestinians is right and just. Its an easy insult to throw around isn't it?

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Fogdog said:

Read the Wikipedia page.

Jesus, man. Dealing with such ignorance is downright painful.

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abandonconflict said:

There goes that negative correlation between bigotry and cognitive function.

Protip: L2Read.

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