Flush rant

Really it comes down to fine trimming and a proper cure.

Flushing for pre harvest is stupid. The last 2 weeks of flower are the most critical weeks for bud growth and density. Seriously, like 75% of your bud density comes from those last weeks. Flushing is the exact opposite of what the plant needs at that point.

NEVER STOP FEEDING. Just keep the plant healthy, don't stress it with flushing.

Next, when you do harvest. Take the time and trim your buds right. The more leaves you don't trim, the harsher the smoke. Get as many as you can!!

After that is a proper cure. 4 weeks minimum. 4 WEEKS. Not 4 hours, not 4 days. 4 weeks in jars minimum before they can even be considered smoke worthy.

Flushing is for people who simply want to cut down and smoke their shit ASAP. You already spent 90-120 days growing it, take the extra time to trim and give a proper cure. It's worth it.

GhostBud420 said:

Flushing is not just something someone developed over night. There is science behind it. Although you may know for a fact that many industries dont flush their crops. Not many industries produce a crop that you smoke. Im a firm believer in flushing out excess nutrients from the medium. By this time the buds are already fat and hopefully show a good amber/milky ratio on the trichomes. So your not losing much weight if any, as long as you plan to harvest the correct time in the plants life.

Honestly with the amount of synthetic nutrients being used and at the rate these plants drink them flushing shouldn't have to be a question. If your growing for yourself its strictly your preference on how you grow and consume your product. But if your planning to vend or help other patients out just flush your buds. I cant tell you how many times I've picked up some really good looking stuff and as soon as I smoke it I can tell its not flushed.

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GhostBud420 said:

Are you serious?.. Nutrients are being used throughout the plant. The plant pulls water/nutrients from the xylem as well as through osmosis through the roots. Which means that the nutrients that are in the plant/flower are constantly being used and replaced. Your right in the sense that no amount of flushing will remove 100% of the nutrients in the plant and leave you with perfect buds. Your flower would most likely be no good at this point. But like I mentioned in the earlier post.. With the amount of synthetic nutrients we are pumping into these plants I cant imagine anyone not appreciating the fact that the grower of this particular weed in my blunt, flushed it.

Curing and Flushing are two different things. I personally can tell if the weed is flushed just by the way it burns. A flushed plant will burn with white ash and should burn rather evenly. A un-flushed plant will most likely burn with dark colored ash and sometimes unevenly. The point is to get the majority of the nutrients out so the raw experience of the flower can be enjoyed. Whether you want to flush and smoke flower, or not flush and smoke nutes is completely up to you as a grower.

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You flushers all need to come to understand that the plant does not know the difference between synthetic and organic nutrition! It will not "uptake" more of one then the other or will one have a greater effect then the other. One is faster then the other and that's about it!
The plant does not take up (for the most part) actual NPK nutrient. Those are converted in the root system into foods the plant uses to grow. Micro nutrients are sometimes directly used in this growth and others are simply forms of "transportation" for other nutrients or used in the making of the first.....

Budley Doright said:

Actually that's not really true. Probably most hydroponic tomatoes are flushed just before harvest, same with cucumbers, and leafy greens. Does it do anything? Hell if I know lol. The argument that you are taking away vital nutrients is a valid argument but if flushing a week before harvest, IME, most growth re yield has stopped. I am also a hydro grower so soil is a different beast IMO. Also just to note I very rarely flushed my grows and am hard pressed to notice any difference.

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I've worked with major hydroponic growers here in nz (tomatoes) and none of them flush. Its just a waste of a precious commodity - water.

Cant imagine other places would either.

kiwipaulie said:

I've worked with major hydroponic growers here in nz (tomatoes) and none of them flush. Its just a waste of a precious commodity - water.

Cant imagine other places would either.

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You can not trust a person or organization, including any government just because they are 'professional' or are in a position of power. It has been shown time and time again profit has been put before public health either intentionally or from ignorance, same difference I guess. Once upon a time cigarettes were marketed as good for your health (they knew full well otherwise). Today it's the same greed only different products and smarter tactics forced by the birth of the internet and it's ability to expose the crazy bs that such people get up to.

Call me a paranoid moron but you'd be the only fool. Organic farming is far more beneficial than chemical farming, it has been shown. Yet, short term it is still cheaper to blitz the land with chem so guess what is being done. Their is a huge demand for organic foods and products, that is not the issue. Producing it cuts into profits too much.

I am not saying flushing is helpful or not but where profit is concerned I would not doubt for a second any big organization would continue to feed and priorities more yield over a more healthy crop. Especially when the side effects are so difficult to trace back to and have them held accountable even if.

Dr. Who said:

You flushers all need to come to understand that the plant does not know the difference between synthetic and organic nutrition! It will not "uptake" more of one then the other or will one have a greater effect then the other. One is faster then the other and that's about it!
The plant does not take up (for the most part) actual NPK nutrient. Those are converted in the root system into foods the plant uses to grow. Micro nutrients are sometimes directly used in this growth and others are simply forms of "transportation" for other nutrients or used in the making of the first.....

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really,?? you mean to tell me that plants can't tell the difference between a natural carbon atom, and the same exact atom made in a lab? go on.. .

kiwipaulie said:

I've worked with major hydroponic growers here in nz (tomatoes) and none of them flush. Its just a waste of a precious commodity - water.

Cant imagine other places would either.

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Well the one just down the road from me flushes with clean water just before harvest and when I asked them about it they said they did it to remove excess salts from the beds, I have read that others do it as well but really only have experience with one. They actually clean out all trays and run bleach through as well after each harvest. But like I said I have not noticed a taste difference and that is not why they do it at the tomatoe place lol.

racerboy71 said:

really,?? you mean to tell me that plants can't tell the difference between a natural carbon atom, and the same exact atom made in a lab? go on.. .

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If two molecules are made of the exact same atoms put together in the exact same way, they are going to behave in the exact same way, even if one molecule was made in nature and the other was made by a scientist in a laboratory.


I think that burning hydrogen and oxygen to make water is the same water we drink no?

http://www.chemheritage.org/percy-julian/activities/2b.html

If im misinformed, i'd like to hear the truth please

Sometimes when I flush it doesn't all go down so I have to flush a second time.

Yodaweed said:

Sometimes when I flush it doesn't all go down so I have to flush a second time.

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Your lucky it goes down !!!

Budley Doright said:

Well the one just down the road from me flushes with clean water just before harvest and when I asked them about it they said they did it to remove excess salts from the beds, I have read that others do it as well but really only have experience with one. They actually clean out all trays and run bleach through as well after each harvest. But like I said I have not noticed a taste difference and that is not why they do it at the tomatoe place lol.

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I wouldn't listen to any place that is using bleach as a cleaning product. As that is why they are going that. Using bleach is a very old practice and highly discouraged in the food industry.

Also remember the way we do things down here is quite different to the states.

I decided to ring a mate who is still heavily involved in hydro vegies etc and he was telling me that some operators are actually flushing daily and some are not at all. He doesn't think it effects the quality of the food, its just different folks / different strokes. I learn something new everyday.

caherbgrower said:

The lesson here is to put good things into your plants. It's not about flushing. If you think you need to remove the food you give your plants to make it better in any way, you need to rethink feeding altogether. The majority of plant foods sold are petrol based, which in my opinion have no place in any garden.

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This is totally true...whatever you give your plants is eventually deposited in their tissue & no amount of flushing will remove it once it's there.

"I wouldn't listen to any place that is using bleach as a cleaning product. As that is why they are going that. Using bleach is a very old practice and highly discouraged in the food industry."

Is bleach not allowed where you are as a disinfectant? I use bleach lots lol. When it comes to the more controversial things in canna growing forums I don't listen so much as try for my self and draw my own conclusions. Also I never offer advice but offer only my experiences. Really at the end of the day who gives a shit. Flush, don't flush, does it really matter? Canna growing seems to draw out the worst in some people and it's a plant lol, I know it doesn't bother me one bit if someone wants to flush and perhaps in their mind it's the proper thing to do, again it's not effecting me at all. Although I do find these threads entertaining .

kiwipaulie said:

I decided to ring a mate who is still heavily involved in hydro vegies etc and he was telling me that some operators are actually flushing daily and some are not at all. He doesn't think it effects the quality of the food, its just different folks / different strokes. I learn something new everyday.

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Like I said the farm down the road does it to rid the trays and mats of salts and not so much for taste. Kind of like coco grows with run off I would think.

GhostBud420 said:

Are you serious?.. Nutrients are being used throughout the plant. The plant pulls water/nutrients from the xylem as well as through osmosis through the roots. Which means that the nutrients that are in the plant/flower are constantly being used and replaced. Your right in the sense that no amount of flushing will remove 100% of the nutrients in the plant and leave you with perfect buds. Your flower would most likely be no good at this point. But like I mentioned in the earlier post.. With the amount of synthetic nutrients we are pumping into these plants I cant imagine anyone not appreciating the fact that the grower of this particular weed in my blunt, flushed it.

Curing and Flushing are two different things. I personally can tell if the weed is flushed just by the way it burns. A flushed plant will burn with white ash and should burn rather evenly. A un-flushed plant will most likely burn with dark colored ash and sometimes unevenly. The point is to get the majority of the nutrients out so the raw experience of the flower can be enjoyed. Whether you want to flush and smoke flower, or not flush and smoke nutes is completely up to you as a grower.

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You are right on with that one, big difference in the way it burns. Hydro that isn't flushed burns like shit. I always let my plants fade and would never harvest a bright green plant.

Flush!!!bitches!!!!

I flush. If anything i add a little black strap molasses to the water i flush with.

kiwipaulie said:

I wouldn't listen to any place that is using bleach as a cleaning product.

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http://www.cdc.gov/hicpac/Disinfection_Sterilization/6_0disinfection.html

"Low concentrations of free available chlorine (e.g., HOCl, OCl-, and elemental chlorine-Cl2) have a biocidal effect on mycoplasma (25 ppm) and vegetative bacteria (<5 ppm) in seconds in the absence of an organic load 329, 418."

Understood you are Down Under or whatever but using bleach is safe and EFFECTIVE! Safe. Effective. Use it. 100:1 Water: Bleach will kill anything. Used in medicine daily with no ill effect. Unless you drink it.

Budley Doright said:

Like I said the farm down the road does it to rid the trays and mats of salts and not so much for taste. Kind of like coco grows with run off I would think.

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Wouldn't this more fall into general cleaning rather than specifically about plant growth?

I'm not a hydro grower, but I'd assume you need to take extra steps in maintaining a clean environment. Those trays must get pretty gross quickly if left unchecked. I personally wouldn't want my food or cannabis around all that muck.

well, i know what i do and it works excellent. i get so amused by the self proclaimed "experts" lmao....you can do it any way you want, but if you are not doing it my way, you are doing it wrong. and thats ok....