Flush rant

Well if rubbing cat litter on your testicles is wrong then I don't want to be right, so keep doing what you're doing

You won't get any extra yield by not flushing, so feeding up to the day of harvest is a waste of nutrients. If you let them go long enough they stop using nutrients and fade on their own. I see no harm in flushing, I am no expert but I think to be on the safe side, FLUSH.

shorelineOG said:

You won't get any extra yield by not flushing, so feeding up to the day of harvest is a waste of nutrients. If you let them go long enough they stop using nutrients and fade on their own. I see no harm in flushing, I am no expert but I think to be on the safe side, FLUSH.

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You get the most bud density in the last 2 weeks, why would stop feeding and start flushing at their most critical time?

Not only that, but in soil, by the 7th week of flower your soil is pretty much cooked. In the sense that there's really not much left in it other than what you're feeding.

So not only are you flushing virtually nothing out of the soil, but you're stressing the hell out of the plant at the most vital period of flowering.

At no point ever in your grow do you want unnecessary stress, and I don't mean stress via topping or LST. I mean stress at the ROOT level.

You want to maintain a healthy and steady nutrient feed all the way to harvest.

superbak3d said:

You get the most bud density in the last 2 weeks, why would stop feeding and start flushing at their most critical time?

Not only that, but in soil, by the 7th week of flower your soil is pretty much cooked. In the sense that there's really not much left in it other than what you're feeding.

So not only are you flushing virtually nothing out of the soil, but you're stressing the hell out of the plant at the most vital period of flowering.

At no point ever in your grow do you want unnecessary stress, and I don't mean stress via topping or LST. I mean stress at the ROOT level.

You want to maintain a healthy and steady nutrient feed all the way to harvest.

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I was talking more about hydro and I don't flush in my organic no till. You put on weight towards the end and I don't flush for too long.

Nobody is disputing that you will inevitably get good results if you flush, and are a knowledgeable grower. However, your plants will not get the nutrition they deserve throughout the most crucial point in their lives. Decreased yield, quality, flavor and taste is a real concern because of this.
No matter how much people like to conflate flush with cure, this will never be the case. If you want to get the most out of your plant, feed it til the end, and cure it properly.

monkz said:

Nobody is disputing that you will inevitably get good results if you flush, and are a knowledgeable grower. However, your plants will not get the nutrition they deserve throughout the most crucial point in their lives. Decreased yield, quality, flavor and taste is a real concern because of this.
No matter how much people like to conflate flush with cure, this will never be the case. If you want to get the most out of your plant, feed it til the end, and cute it properly.

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So you harvest lush green plants. Nice.

I fade mine.

This is such a grey area for green thumbs.

shorelineOG said:

So you harvest lush green plants. Nice.

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That condescending comment merely shows your lack of understanding on the topic of nutrient uptake/need, depending on the stage the plant is in.
The plant will not be a lively green, given that it should be fed greater amounts of phosphorous and potassium as it develops in flower. Potassium is especially important.
Contrary to popular belief, when the leaves discolor, it isn't because the plant is pulling nutrients from them, it's because the plant hasn't got enough nutrients to metabolize into chlorophyll.
So yeah, you continue with your attemptedly witty comments, and I'll continue to grow spectacular plants, like I've been doing for the past 10 years.

monkz said:

That condescending comment merely shows your lack of understanding on the topic of nutrient uptake/need, depending on the stage the plant is in.
The plant will not be a lively green, given that it should be fed greater amounts of phosphorous and potassium as it develops in flower. Potassium is especially important.
Contrary to popular belief, when the leaves discolor, it isn't because the plant is pulling nutrients from them, it's because the plant hasn't got enough nutrients to metabolize into chlorophyll.
So yeah, you continue with your attemptedly witty comments, and I'll continue to grow spectacular plants, like I've been doing for the past 10 years.

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Sorry for being rude. I just don't think flushing for a few days would hurt anything, so why not. Sorry, again.

shorelineOG said:

Sorry for being rude. I just don't think flushing for a few days would hurt anything, so why not. Sorry, again.

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That's fine mate.
It won't necessarily hurt your plant, but that doesn't mean it's optimal for development. You will still produce awesome bud, but it would have been that much better if you'd have fed til the end.
Ultimately, our culture is submerged in myth and tradition, so people will continue to flush even though it has no scientific basis.

superbak3d said:

You get the most bud density in the last 2 weeks, why would stop feeding and start flushing at their most critical time?

Not only that, but in soil, by the 7th week of flower your soil is pretty much cooked. In the sense that there's really not much left in it other than what you're feeding.

So not only are you flushing virtually nothing out of the soil, but you're stressing the hell out of the plant at the most vital period of flowering.

At no point ever in your grow do you want unnecessary stress, and I don't mean stress via topping or LST. I mean stress at the ROOT level.

You want to maintain a healthy and steady nutrient feed all the way to harvest.

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Not arguing the merits or negatives of flushing because I don't give a flying fuck lol. What I do know with my plants is one way I tell if they are ready is they stop growing. By the last week or two they have stopped drinking (hydro), and growing. At that point I am waiting for trichs to start to turn Amber, not a lot of Amber, just the start. If people are flushing at that point, I really doubt the yield is suffering much at all. Again, flush, don't flush, I care not lol. I'm hard pressed to let mine cure properly due to always running out lol.

Budley Doright said:

Not arguing the merits or negatives of flushing because I don't give a flying fuck lol. What I do know with my plants is one way I tell if they are ready is they stop growing. By the last week or two they have stopped drinking (hydro), and growing. At that point I am waiting for trichs to start to turn Amber, not a lot of Amber, just the start. If people are flushing at that point, I really doubt the yield is suffering much at all. Again, flush, don't flush, I care not lol. I'm hard pressed to let mine cure properly due to always running out lol.

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That's one negative of smoking like a chimney.

The only thing you need to flush is your toilet, stop feeding your plants garbage ass nutrients and ppms of 1500 and you will be fine. The plants don't fucking need it and you don't need the stress of them looking all garbaged up so just give them a steady stream of what they need with some nice little water cycles in between and you will be golden.

I am talking the golden fucking goose here bruh, trust me.

superbak3d said:

Wouldn't this more fall into general cleaning rather than specifically about plant growth?

I'm not a hydro grower, but I'd assume you need to take extra steps in maintaining a clean environment. Those trays must get pretty gross quickly if left unchecked. I personally wouldn't want my food or cannabis around all that muck.

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It is for maintenance but they run fresh water through just before harvest as well. Perhaps the buyers insist on flushing be it useful or not.

Yodaweed said:

That's one negative of smoking like a chimney.

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Yup it is lol. Perhaps I'll let you talk to the chimney, she's in the bedroom vaping right now lol.

Siino Gardens said:

The only thing you need to flush is your toilet, stop feeding your plants garbage ass nutrients and ppms of 1500 and you will be fine. The plants don't fucking need it and you don't need the stress of them looking all garbaged up so just give them a steady stream of what they need with some nice little water cycles in between and you will be golden.

I am talking the golden fucking goose here bruh, trust me.

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I somewhat disagree. My 50l DWC setup (one plant) is currently at 1400-1500ppm. Plant is doing great, in every sense of the word.

monkz said:

I somewhat disagree. My 50l DWC setup (one plant) is currently at 1400-1500ppm. Plant is doing great, in every sense of the word.

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That is fine you can disagree, if you gave me an exact replica of your room to do a side by side I would show you that I could do the same with less.

Siino Gardens said:

That is fine you can disagree, if you gave me an exact replica of your room to do a side by side I would show you that I could do the same with less.

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I could also probably be doing the same with less, and could probably be doing the same with 2-300ppm more. As you know, not only does it depend on environment, but also on strain, phenotype... hell, it's plant specific tbh. I know when it's too much, but right now, they're loving it. However, just for fun, my setup:

1.2m x 1.2m x 2m tall tent

600w hps (dual spec bulb)

50 litre bucket
Advanced Nutrients (grow, micro & bloom). Currently using a ratio of 3ml/l bloom, 1.5ml/l micro and 0.5ml/l grow.

Air intake and carbon filter a exhaust. I forget the exact cfm, but it's more than enough for my tent.

2500 lph airpump with one 10cm diameter air stone.

One fan, for airflow.

Growing one CBD Medi Haze. Topped, supercropped and scrogged. Currently on week 4 of flowering.
After the first week of flower, given the sati a influence, the scrog became more of a support net. Haven't had a single problem with the plant since the beginning. Increased the ppms steadily every week, I'm now staying at 1400-1500 for the rest of the grow.
Plant has completely taken over the tent and is growing luscious buds that smell of lemon and blueberry.

Tbh, this has to be my favourite strain and grow so far. Have a couple vids on YouTube if you care to check some of my other threads.

So yeah, feel free to do a side by side, would be nice to see a comparison

advanced nutrients