Defoliation Experiment - Side by Side Sister Clones

Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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well i guess , your the kind of guy who when he doesnt like to do something shits on it, for whatever reason, i cant fathom

if works, maybe not for you , just maybe you didnt do it right, and choose to use other techniques

im just wondering as to why this make the tech, invalid for everyone else? super logic

worked or me, and i sure it works for others, as well as other techniques
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sorry for the shitty pics. older camera
 
Nitegazer

Nitegazer

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Do any of you harbor a tiny bit of guilt about writing pages that few want to read in an otherwise useful thread?
 
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joe macclennan

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Samwell Seed Well said:
hes a troll, look at his threads he created all problem this or problem with that or what do i do or how shoudl i do this
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show me all these "problem" threads again seedless?? I don't start too many threads. Or are you a proven LIAR now too?


 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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Nitegazer said:
Do any of you harbor a tiny bit of guilt about writing pages that few want to read in an otherwise useful thread?
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not really, the updates will come wither their is conversation or not....besides outright, asshole-ness, a discussion can be had without persuasion ......it just requires people who are ready to listen vs retort , agreement is not a requirement
 
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joe macclennan

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Samwell Seed Well said:
well i guess , your the kind of guy who when he doesnt like to do something shits on it, for whatever reason, i cant fathom

if works, maybe not for you , just maybe you didnt do it right, and choose to use other techniques

im just wondering as to why this make the tech, invalid for everyone else? super logic

worked or me, and i sure it works for others, as well as other techniques


sorry for the shitty pics. older camera
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hey man, credit where credit is due. she looks like a pretty healthy little plant.

I could show ya pictures of ogk colas as big as a pop bottle....but I won't ;)
 
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stickybuds*

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Bugeye said:
You obviously have quite a nice stick up your butt on this topic. For the record, I have never defoliated a plant and my hypothesis is that a topped and trained plant will produce more grams per kwh than the defoliated plant. Pretty sure this is your hypothesis as well. But I'm not getting my pants in a bunch over the prospect of being proven wrong. If so, I probably won't defoliate anyway because my greenhouse is not as sterile as the profs and I have concerns about making disease easier to take hold.

In regards to light intensity, you may be surprised to learn that outdoors your lumens are the same at the top of a tall plant as they are at the top of a short plant. You can test this yourself very easily with a light meter.
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yeh for my first year growing, I would top my plants and pulling the sides down, only problem the shoots would growing uneven, if the nodes where even and you top them right sometimes I got 4 even top shoots but not very often and then I started removing the odd fan leave to see how my plants would react, over time my shoots become very even and I could have 8-10 cola's on one plant so I carried on

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some plants can react different to others when you remove leaves so I you have to find the right phoneo/plant, took me 10 seeds to find this plant but it can take a lot of stress, its a short plant and yields a lot

yer your right you do get plants that grow tall and have big spacing in between the nodes and others that grow short, just got to pick the best one for u and take cuttings

also when you grow plants from seed, say white widow you could have 6 indica dom and 4 sativa dom plants so the 4 sativa dom plants will grow larger and have more of a high, more airy buds
where the indica dom strain will grow short and give you more of a knock out buzz

also sativa dom strains need more light than indica dom strains
 
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joe macclennan

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Samwell Seed Well said:
not really, the updates will come wither their is conversation or not....besides outright, asshole-ness, a discussion can be had without persuasion ......it just requires people who are ready to listen vs retort , agreement is not a requirement
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agreed^^

the funny thing is we both think the other is an asshole right now ;)

edit: so who is right?

or are we both?

LOL
 
Cascadian

Cascadian

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My vote is to keep all variable as close to equivalent as possible other than defoliating. This would have to mean that the lumens supplied to each plant are similar at the canopy level, period. The variable is lumens not the height of the pot off the floor... or distance to the canopy from the light, I don't care if the pot is raised or if there is a second light used that is then lowered, the lumens need to be equal.

If person A believes that defoliation works and grows their whole crop while defoliating I am pretty sure that person is going to keep their light at an optimal distance.

Person B that believes in another technique is going to do the exact same thing.

We are not looking at whether the plant slows down before new growth starts we are looking at the final result...

Any argument with this says to me bias is attempting to be introduced. I won't follow this tread anymore if the lumens are not equal, it would be a pointless experiment.

Just for the record, I am on the side that believes that defoliation will not increase yield... but I want to see a valid experiment at the same time.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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im sure they were amazing , and im sure your techniques did all teh things you wanted them to do

just as other techniques have other results.....you wont see me in your " i do this thread" telling you you are an idiot" for trying something

defoliation like any other tech , works if you work it right


lumens, temp, nutrients everything must be the same but one thing, defoliation, except for the control which would be done with all the same care for detail except one plant would not be defoliated showing results of lack of any defoliation and one control would be ran as normal, but all with same environment

which in the end is not proof that if you replicate this it will work for you , to amny variable in envirometns

its all just food for thought
 
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joe macclennan

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Cascadian said:
My vote is to keep all variable as close to equivalent as possible other than defoliating. This would have to mean that the lumens supplied to each plant are similar at the canopy level, period. The variable is lumens not the height of the pot off the floor... or distance to the canopy from the light, I don't care if the pot is raised or if there is a second light used that is then lowered, the lumens need to be equal.

I.
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I have actually been thinking this very thing over myself.
I too only want an unbiased experiment.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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joe macclennan said:
agreed^^

the funny thing is we both think the other is an asshole right now ;)

edit: so who is right?

or are we both?

LOL
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their is no right, only results!

right/wrong/good/bad these are entirely to conditional and subjective


it is only what works and why it worked , or what didn't work and why
 
Cascadian

Cascadian

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joe macclennan said:
I have actually been thinking this very thing over myself.
I too only want an unbiased experiment.
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Good on you Joe, can't tell you how refreshing that is to see on RUI! All too often... things tend to devolve.

+rep bro

Edit: looks like I have repped you recently, I won't forget...
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to joe macclennan again.
 
UncleReemis

UncleReemis

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Holy shit. This is supposed to be more scientific than butthurt bickering. Have any of you even read the first page? I'm sure you've had close to, if not duplicate arguments in previous threads about defoliating. Now that we have a legit experiment gong on (legit imo), let's stick to grown up behavior. Please? :)
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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sure thing mom :)

one thing about reality is you cant filter it

so enjoy the ride, i too am happy to see a good stab at defoilation but as you can see from this page adn others on teh topic, some jsut come here to troll, its how they get their rocks off, so got to take the good with the bad
 
UncleReemis

UncleReemis

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Samwell Seed Well said:
sure thing mom :)

one thing about reality is you cant filter it

so enjoy the ride, i too am happy to see a good stab at defoilation but as you can see from this page adn others on teh topic, some jsut come here to troll, its how they get their rocks off, so got to take the good with the bad
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Thanks son. :)
 
^su

^su

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So the plant that isn't butchered which will obviously be the tallest will get supplemental lighting for the lower beaches so all light intensity is equal correct?
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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if the test is defoliation ..is it beneficial then no

you need to treat each plant as you would in normal conditions not specifically change anything from the control plant other then what you want to shows as a standout

this is basic

if you use supplemental on the control you do it on the test as well, only thing you do different is defoliate, or amount of defoliation......


i believe that is the point ..to show all you do is remove leaves as necessary to gain better yields
 
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