Defoliation Experiment - Side by Side Sister Clones
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Samwell Seed Well
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a plant can only absorb as much light as it is given, supplemental lighting or not, smae lumens and watts per square inch is teh same weather is from under , on top or from the side,
interestingly enough point of light source does effect auxin productions...what does that make you think about
thats teh point of teh test, to show you can do better defoliating, a defoliated plant and your plant grow the same..... soil,food,photosynthesis
im not sure why you think one lumen is deemed better then another but im listening
^su
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what don't you get that at 1 foot away the lumens of a 1000w bulb isn't the same as 2 feet away? Are you that dense man?
Samwell Seed Well
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dont you get you can put a bucket under a plant to make its height equal to others
are you that narrowminded?
come on dude....
or maybe lower your light source, i may be an ass but all my plants and light sources can move up or down .......
are you that narrowminded?
come on dude....
or maybe lower your light source, i may be an ass but all my plants and light sources can move up or down .......
Samwell Seed Well
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joe macclennan
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you missed my point sammy. My point was we were both being assholes.
so kinda like when you made false claims about me starting "help me threads" a few posts back?? Like that kind of trolling?
just curious
thank you cascadian. You could be the voice of reason around here if you stick around.
i feel the key to this is proper pruning of the larger plant removing all the sucker branches. That's what I do anyway for larger plants.
You are a fucking retard and have nothing to contribute here. And the general consensus around this site and in the growing world about defoliation IS that it is unnecessary for good yields..In fact detrimental. Jesus christ! even sammy will tell you that. That's what this entire thread is about...Proving an upopular technique. Perhaps you should sit in the back of class and just listen and take notes before opening your mouth freshman.
Ummm to ensure a fair test with few variables ...I guess everyone else' input isn't needed eh?
not a bad question
Yes and no. and I kind of agree with you in a way. If the op wants to lift plants to allow them better access to lights perhaps the larger plants should be given better access as well. but this is where things get muddy. Cascadian made a good point about adding extra lumens.
the two lights/rooms idea someone had is not a bad idea to rectify this though.
again a fair question.
^su
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ok let me break it down for you plain and simple, if I have plant A on the floor and stands 5 feet in height and then I have plant B at 3 feet and put a bucket under it to make it 5 feet you're telling me the 5 foot plant will receive the same light intensity as the bottom of the 3 foot plant? Call me crazy but seems like common sense.
Samwell Seed Well
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ya im an asshole, but im still listening
Samwell Seed Well
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no im telling you the difference will be one grown with defoliation and one not
as per which tech will have better or more favorable results
this is pretty simple, their is a difference between defoliated and not....thats the point to find out through flowering out two plants with as little differences between them about how they are grown other then defoliation so canopy height would have to be the same from the start...no matter what
if ones trait made it grow taller then another after the flower cycle had begun, or cuase it to have lower growth not as close to the light source, then thats part of concluding whats more favorable as an outcome.....this is basic
chuck estevez
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I agree. I feel it will take longer to get the defoliated plant to 3 ft.
then with the even canopy and the 3 ft continued to be molested we see who produces more.
Samwell Seed Well
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one thing is in mid to late flower i never defoliate, if the leaves fall off or becomes sickly(which happens) i remove it but other then that for me and the way i use it i stop defoliating after week 1-2 depending how long it takes to flower, or basically my rule of thumb is after the buds have started to form, i leave it be for the most part, i also do all my staking and any other bending if needed at this time, most of my defoilation training happens in veg like most training
teh guys that taught me defoliation do it well into flower, get longer flower times and end up with much bigger yields then me , but i feel that when you remove to many leaves in flower you reduce the amount of thc producing hormones that are not re created after flowering starts(althought im not 100% on that just my thoughts on teh topic of flower defoilation)
teh guys that taught me defoliation do it well into flower, get longer flower times and end up with much bigger yields then me , but i feel that when you remove to many leaves in flower you reduce the amount of thc producing hormones that are not re created after flowering starts(althought im not 100% on that just my thoughts on teh topic of flower defoilation)
neo12345
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Getting a bit touchy aren't we, think I must have hit a nerve there!!
All i'm asking for is some proof, really is that a lot to ask to prove your theory right? You're quite happy to ask for proof from other people, and the general consensus must be based on some kind of proof and rational argument?
^su
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If it takes longer to get the defol plant to canopy level isn't that the point that it just wastes time and money? Call me nuts but I like to finish my stuff as quickly and as efficient as possible? If you defol outside and the plant doesn't finish before the first freeze do you blame the weather or the person that stunted it? Someone's gotta smoke snickle fritz
neo12345
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That's why we're not letting you do the experiments Chuck, you clearly do not understand the technique!! Try reading it again slowly, and take notes this time!!
Samwell Seed Well
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same time veg, smaller plant maybe maybe not...mine pick up growth the longer i veg em, and not everyone run one plant or heat at a time
all my veg and flowering plants run concurrently in separate rooms(which is why i use gas lantern technique for lighting cycle 12on-5off-1on-6off) .....once a flower and veg room is full and the next heat's are vegging concurrently time is of now issue
and you dont have to have a huge plant to have a high yielding plant, think multi tops instead of one or two or three 18 gram top nugs you have 10 or 12......this tech creates plants with multiple main branches when done right .....just like LST or bending cracking branches to form a even canopy
do the math, plus a lower and third stage canopy as well that , are also closer to teh light source
i judge all my plants based on percentage of quality nugs, if my strain with defoliation will produce equally heavy nugs up and down the canopy then great, and then theirs the multi top main branches as well as a multiplier to yield
all my veg and flowering plants run concurrently in separate rooms(which is why i use gas lantern technique for lighting cycle 12on-5off-1on-6off) .....once a flower and veg room is full and the next heat's are vegging concurrently time is of now issue
and you dont have to have a huge plant to have a high yielding plant, think multi tops instead of one or two or three 18 gram top nugs you have 10 or 12......this tech creates plants with multiple main branches when done right .....just like LST or bending cracking branches to form a even canopy
do the math, plus a lower and third stage canopy as well that , are also closer to teh light source
i judge all my plants based on percentage of quality nugs, if my strain with defoliation will produce equally heavy nugs up and down the canopy then great, and then theirs the multi top main branches as well as a multiplier to yield
joe macclennan
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lol@ neo using my words against chuck hahaha ..
You are a foolish young man neo.
we know who needs to read around here
You are a foolish young man neo.
we know who needs to read around here
Samwell Seed Well
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lol@ neo using my words against chuck hahaha ..
You are a foolish young man neo.
we know who needs to read around here
is he teh one
joe macclennan
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that's my opinion on the topic. I would rather put less time into a plant and have another one ready to replace it asap. If you ever have a power outage or pump failure while away or many many many other things that can go wrong indoors you will wish you had a smaller less labor intensive grow. Having something ready to replace the flowering plants quickly IS the most efficient way to grow indoors....for many reasons, yield is just the biggest reason.
all plants have exponential growth characteristics.
joe macclennan
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he is teh one