Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

hey very nice setup im 1 month into veg doing a dwc and was wondering how much dry ice you use for the space and also what do u put it in etc. bucket, stirafoam thanks

my room looks about the same dimensions i'm vegging in my closet and going to flower somewhere else.....doing it as i go along i guess. i have a 400w mh/hps 2 feet away from my girls and the closet gets around 85 degrees i have a 500cfm inline duct and a oscilating fan blowing air in the closet with the door open. I guess my question is this ok 85 and or how can i get the temps down pls and thank you

bumpski

sensimillla said:

hey very nice setup im 1 month into veg doing a dwc and was wondering how much dry ice you use for the space and also what do u put it in etc. bucket, stirafoam thanks

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I would buy 4 bricks at a time that would cost about $20. I had a plastic cooler I stacked them in(staking them makes them last longer) Then I drilled a hole and put 1/2" tubing into the lid of the cooler and taped it to the back of one of my fans. This isnt going to enrich the room to the optimum co2 level, but it will keep it higher than normal. That ammount of dry ice would take 2-6 days to melt depending opn room temps. I only reccomend doing this as a temporary thing, It is much better to invest in a bottle and a regulator or a generator.

sensimillla said:

my room looks about the same dimensions i'm vegging in my closet and going to flower somewhere else.....doing it as i go along i guess. i have a 400w mh/hps 2 feet away from my girls and the closet gets around 85 degrees i have a 500cfm inline duct and a oscilating fan blowing air in the closet with the door open. I guess my question is this ok 85 and or how can i get the temps down pls and thank you

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85F is ok with proper co2 enrichment and is actually needed to take full advantage of it. You mentioned you had an inline fan, but is your light sealed and being cooled by it? Air cooling your light is the best way to keep temps under controll besides having good intake/exhaust for the room. If you want to use co2, you'll have to aircool the light without drawing air from your closet., which can be difficult to figure out if you dont want to make holes in the walls. Give me a better description of how you use your fans and how you want to use them, and I can help out a lot more.

pot scott said:

bumpski

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Thanks for stopping byski.

Sorry for the brief hijack. But I wanted to show you what I've been brewing up and ask a few questions.

First, my ScrOG'ette:




Two ScrOG'ettes:




Mother Tub and stand:




Each ScrOGette will represent one two-week cycle of the grow with 5 total (with one for veg to fill the screen). At least that's the plan.

So now for some questions. I've been reading through StinkBud's journal https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/116859-harvest-pound-every-three-weeks.html and was looking at using 2" netpots with the neoprene insert. The cabinet is 35" tall, the tub is 5" tall and there is 4" between the top of the tub and the screen, giving me 26" to the top, but i still need to take into account the 5" light tube.


Questions:

1. Do you foresee any issues using 2" netpots with support rather than 4" and hydroton?

2. The screen on each is 16"x14" or 56 bud sites. Will I need 2 plants to fill the screen and will I be able to contain 2 root systems in a 6 qt. container? My gut says one plant topped to increase branching. I'm still on the lookout for a 16 x 14 x 5" tub.


Again sorry for the hijack. Friday night I spent 2 hours creating a thread for my cabinet build with lots of pics and the post disappeared just near the end and was nowhere to be found. I just haven't had the time to retype it in but I will soon.

Everything looks great on your end. Keep up the good work. If you get a chance, check out my albums.

jg

jsgamber said:

Sorry for the brief hijack. But I wanted to show you what I've been brewing up and ask a few questions.

First, my ScrOG'ette:

Two ScrOG'ettes:

Mother Tub and stand:

Each ScrOGette will represent one two-week cycle of the grow with 5 total (with one for veg to fill the screen). At least that's the plan.

So now for some questions. I've been reading through StinkBud's journal https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/116859-harvest-pound-every-three-weeks.html and was looking at using 2" netpots with the neoprene insert. The cabinet is 35" tall, the tub is 5" tall and there is 4" between the top of the tub and the screen, giving me 26" to the top, but i still need to take into account the 5" light tube.


Questions:

1. Do you foresee any issues using 2" netpots with support rather than 4" and hydroton?

2. The screen on each is 16"x14" or 56 bud sites. Will I need 2 plants to fill the screen and will I be able to contain 2 root systems in a 6 qt. container? My gut says one plant topped to increase branching. I'm still on the lookout for a 16 x 14 x 5" tub.


Again sorry for the hijack. Friday night I spent 2 hours creating a thread for my cabinet build with lots of pics and the post disappeared just near the end and was nowhere to be found. I just haven't had the time to retype it in but I will soon.

Everything looks great on your end. Keep up the good work. If you get a chance, check out my albums.

jg

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1.) You should probly use 1 plant per container, with that beigh said, for the size you want the plant to get to be able to fill out the screen nicely, I would go with the 3" heavy duty's I use. You can still use the neoprene or hydrotron, wither will work, but the hydrotron is a little cheaper. I am currently doing both in my grow to see if there is any difference in growth. Havent noticed any so far. The stem may be restricted in 2" pots.

2.) 1 plant vegged for about 3 weeks should fill that out very nicely, I would shoot for about 12" in height. Keep looking for tub, there are planty with those rough dimensions in stores near me.

3.)As far as topping, dont. It wont really do anything bad, but it wont really do any thing good, just removing a budsite from your plant. The idea of topping is to get more side branch growth, but a scrog doest the same without cutting anything off. As soon as the main top is in the screen and a single side branch becomes taller than it, side branch growth will take off just like topping, but without cutting a good budsite off of the plant. And with your screen so close to the tub, that will happen very early in the plants life.

sorry to hear about the thread you were starting. I have accidentally hit back right as I was finishing an update a couple of times and had to redo the whole thing, so I feel your pain. Now worries about the hjack either, Always happy to answer questions, and pics help me give better answers. Hope this helps, and if you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Truth be told told I've grow very few things (and many house plants that have gone to that great garden in the sky). Basically some pumpkins, strawberries, sunflowers, peppers and tomatoes. Nothing fancy, just set up an area in the back, threw a layer of topsoil down, poked the seeds in and just watered. Worked beautiful. With that said, I feel I've used up all of my "beginners luck".

Point being I just assumed netpots came 2" and 4". 3" is perfect and they are ordered and on their way.

When I went to Walmart to pick up the containers, it was interesting that they had 2 complete LONG aisles with 4 different brands. They also had containers at the ends of the aisle's plus a crapload of huge containers on clearance in the back for like $3/4 ea. But with all of the variety, they didn't carry the 16qt. But Target is on a tear right now! They have 2 1/2 aisle's and they had the Sterilite 16qt with blue lid.


Tub and screen went from 10" to 12" high with 22" remaining from screen to the top of the space and not accounting for the light. This should give me more stable solutions and give me a bit of breathing room should I not be able to look in on them for a day to top off.

For a few other pieces of info, I'm looking at 430W HPS running a closed loop 5" cool tube. The flower space is 46"w x 34"h x 17"d and all surfaces covered in 2mil mylar.

With that I have some new questions:

1. If I want to ensure the canopy doesn't grow any higher than 18" above the screen, how soon should I start 12/12 assuming the rooted clones will already reach the screen (4") when moved from the clone box into the grow reservoir?

2. Depending on how long I can veg (based on question 1), once I go into 12/12 will one plant fill the screen (16"x14" w/ 56 squares) before it stops growing? Or should I consider a second plant per tub to maximize potential (basically fill out the screen without added height)?


That's it for now. Check out my cabinet build in my signature. I'm also going to start my grow journal in the DWC room shortly. Again thanks for the guidance. I'm looking forward to paying forward!

jg

jsgamber said:

Truth be told told I've grow very few things (and many house plants that have gone to that great garden in the sky). Basically some pumpkins, strawberries, sunflowers, peppers and tomatoes. Nothing fancy, just set up an area in the back, threw a layer of topsoil down, poked the seeds in and just watered. Worked beautiful. With that said, I feel I've used up all of my "beginners luck".

Point being I just assumed netpots came 2" and 4". 3" is perfect and they are ordered and on their way.

When I went to Walmart to pick up the containers, it was interesting that they had 2 complete LONG aisles with 4 different brands. They also had containers at the ends of the aisle's plus a crapload of huge containers on clearance in the back for like $3/4 ea. But with all of the variety, they didn't carry the 16qt. But Target is on a tear right now! They have 2 1/2 aisle's and they had the Sterilite 16qt with blue lid.

Tub and screen went from 10" to 12" high with 22" remaining from screen to the top of the space and not accounting for the light. This should give me more stable solutions and give me a bit of breathing room should I not be able to look in on them for a day to top off.

For a few other pieces of info, I'm looking at 430W HPS running a closed loop 5" cool tube. The flower space is 46"w x 34"h x 17"d and all surfaces covered in 2mil mylar.

With that I have some new questions:

1. If I want to ensure the canopy doesn't grow any higher than 18" above the screen, how soon should I start 12/12 assuming the rooted clones will already reach the screen (4") when moved from the clone box into the grow reservoir?

2. Depending on how long I can veg (based on question 1), once I go into 12/12 will one plant fill the screen (16"x14" w/ 56 squares) before it stops growing? Or should I consider a second plant per tub to maximize potential (basically fill out the screen without added height)?


That's it for now. Check out my cabinet build in my signature. I'm also going to start my grow journal in the DWC room shortly. Again thanks for the guidance. I'm looking forward to paying forward!

jg

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1.)If you are using a hybrid strain(What I usually use) I would veg it out until about 2/3-3/4 of the screen was filled out and flip it. A single plant of this size will fill out nicely and most likely be 12"-20" above the screen. Dont stress if you dont get every square filled with a branch. It is more important to get the whole screen filled and the branches as evenly spaced out as you can. If your buds are getting any kind of weight to them(a good thing) having that many packed in would cause them to all be touching leading to poor air circulation and opening up for a lot of problems.

2.)You should be able to use 1 plant per screen and only have roughly a 3 week veg after new growth begings. My screen is 3'x4' and I use 3-6 plants depending on size. thats 2-4sgft per plant, and the ones that are filling out 2sqft are 6" clones with 10" between the tub and screen. The final height above the screen is 8"-12".

Ok. Sorry for the lack of an update this week. I took the pics as usual on monday. Was busy that night and didnt get to do it, and then disaster struck on tuesday and I've been preventing the apocalypse since then(not really). I woke up Tuesday and came to check on my room, and the first thing I see is my CO2 is at 450ppm. Figured no big deal, been about 3 weeks since I changed it(usual time frame), and ran out to exchange the tank. Get home, hook it all up, and fire it up. But it just wouldnt light. I sat there cycling it on and off and double checking the fittings, but nothing would make the sucker light. During the troubleshooting, I elbowed my green light an shattered it(just made my mood that much better). Got a hold of HydroInnovations and went through the problem with them and came to the conclusion that I would have to send it to them. On a side note, their customer service has been great so far, we will see how it continuse. I told them that there was probly some condensation damage(which voids the warranty) but she said to send it in anyways since it seemed like my problem wasnt related, and even if it was, 80% of the time they fix it anyway. So I was pleasantly suprised by that. So I go back into my room to finally get around to checking the girls and I see a few mites crawling around on some of the middle leaves. This just about put me over the edge. So I decided it was time for all out warefare. Went to the grow store and picked up some industrial strength, greenhouse bug bombs to hit my veg and flower rooms with. Set it off on tuesday night when the lights went off, making sure all of my fans and lights were off first(your house might explode if you dont). They seemed to work very well and I will be setting off a second round tomorrow night just to be safe. Just as a word of caution, make sure to follow the instruction and dont get this shit on you or inhale it. I got a small whiff of it when I did it(very small) and had no problems initially. But after about 3hrs, i had a headache and a stomachache that was so bad it made my back hurt. Took the time to look up symptoms of poisoning and tratment and i fit the bill. I just took a shot of Pepto and drank a glass of water and the pain dulled enough for me to go to sleep. I felt fine the next morning. Keep in mind that re-exposure can cause the same thing and the insecticide takes 3 days to 2 weeks to break down. So follow all safety measures while working in your room for the next 2 weeks. This may seem a little extreme, and if both sides were going to be done in a week or two, I'd have let it go, but the right side still has about a month and I know the mite would reak havok on my girls and it was too late into flower to spray them with my normal organocide. All of these mite problems were caused by a stray egg that must have made it through the spraying in my veg room. I did a ton of back and forth work in both rooms and noticed the nect day that there was a very small ammount of them on a single plant, but it was enough for me to accidenally ttransfer them to my flowering room. So as far as mite control, be very through, I was in the flower room, but nowhere near as much in the veg room. Lesson learned. And enough talking, on with the pics fom monday....

Blue Kush Day 42
Ph 5.98
PPM 925
Res Temp 72F
Room Temp 82F
Co2 PPM 1250
rH 60%











Here's the Blue Kush(x5)and White Widow(x1) Day 32





Here's the close up of the widow

hell yea man u are doing the damn thing hahah keep up the good growin dat blue kush looks fucin dank!!!!! +REP

howak47 said:

hell yea man u are doing the damn thing hahah keep up the good growin dat blue kush looks fucin dank!!!!! +REP

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Thanks bro. It is dank, I cant wait for cut day. Should be around 2 weeks.

Thanks fuzzy. They are putting on some weight right now and I can wait for monday to roll around and put up some freh shots. They are noticably bigger than the shots from above. And thanks for the rep.

it's nice to see some fat buds besides my self

Integra21 said:

Thanks fuzzy. They are putting on some weight right now and I can wait for monday to roll around and put up some freh shots. They are noticably bigger than the shots from above. And thanks for the rep.

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Looking good man; sorry about the little mite speedbump, but it sounds like you've got it under control.

send me a dub?

anxious1 said:

send me a dub?

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Uh, No. But I will smoke a bowl in your honor. glad you like how they look.

Integra21 said:

Uh, No. But I will smoke a bowl in your honor. glad you like how they look.

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LOL Thats funny he would ask.

Outstanding job my friend, keep up the good work.