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my clw isn't very popular around here either, but it grows pot, just like my mh/hps did. And unless somebody can convince we otherwise, I am just going to buy another one, same brand, same model.

well coke, looks like we need to do some research on cob vs I guess what we own. what do ya call it? Traditional led? I'm with you man, I just want to pull out a credit card and order something somebody who knows what they are doing has already made and everybody says is good. I see an ad is...

I cheked out the optic 150w, looks like it would meet my needs. Do you have any knowledge of the clw220 and could you tell me how they compare?

I've asked the same question, but they always say DIY. I'm only trying to cover one plant in a 2x2. How do you like your kind 300?

I don't know, I voted clw because I have one. I want to buy another led for another closet and I've been looking around and can't find another light for the price that looks better to me.

they sure do seem to like a lot over here

yeah, what you said. It gets kind of personal because different people grow different strains and use different growing techniques. I was arguing with somebody about something until he showed me a picture of one of his plants, and all I could say was, "Well, that is different. Your plants don't...

many breeders now offer a variety of seeds, and even if you live in USA you can buy them. Some strains are sold as good for outdoors, and others are sold as good for indoors, and then it goes on from there, from how tall you want it to how stoned you want to get when you smoke it. Like this...

no, I could cover 6x6 with 1000w, but it wasn't the kind of pot they grow today. Never know for sure if it is lights or just genetics, but yes nowadays, that is kind of the rule of thumb, and if you stick with that guide you won't be dissapointed. Anything after that is just trying to improve on...

yeah, but we are small growers in a small space, and we LST, so we don't need any penetration. Our canopies are as smooth as a baby's bottom.

cobs are very new to most of us that are not diy. I would like to learn more, but the reading is very technical. Could you recommend a cob for sale by a reputable manufacturer that would be comparable to a 400w mh/hps they sell on ebay for less than $100? (including free shipping)

and even then, I have my doubts about cfl or led compared to hid. For years growers have been using 400w mh/hps to cover 2x2 or 600w mh/hps to cover 4x4 with great results. So we already know that works. CFL and LED are still experimental and nobody knows for sure what their limits are. Like I...

I figure, to cover 2x2, you need 200w cfl, or 220 led, or 400w hid. Anything less is not enough for me.

I'll leave that to you experts. I was just trying to help a guy figure out the deal. Like I said, if it doesn't cost too much to buy, and it doesn't use too much electricity, and it doesn't create too much heat, it is probably not too much light.

for instance, I can grow good pot in a 2x2 space with just a 200w cfl. For me that is just one plant in a large container. I tried growing two plants in smaller containers, but it's just not enough light for me. I wouldn't be comfortable replacing my 200w cfl with any hid less than 400w...

so, common sense, as you raise the light, your coverage increases but your intensity decreases. That's why some light manufacturers claim one area for vegging which requires less light intensity, and a smaller area for flower

good question, the watt per square foot is just a rule of thumb and really only applies if you are comparing hid to hid or cfl to cfl or led to led. Most of us don't have one light per square foot so then you get to talking about total coverage. And yes, there is no such thing as too much...

generally speaking, healthy plants grow good pot. But just because you have a leaf problem is no reason to give up on those plants. I've grown some good pot on plants that looked worse than yours. There is no curing them now, the leaves will always be bad. Next time go easy on the fertilizer.

for instance, I'm just a closet grower, but when I opened up a second closet and had more stash than I could smoke, I noticed my veg time increased.

nice pics, good question, I don't scrog but ask myself the same thing, sometimes it's just a matter of time and how much you have