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QUOTE="AquariusPanta, post: 11690691, member: 886695"]Some people like cooking at home, some like going out to eat. There are even those who enjoy switching it up from time to time ;). I thought the same thing too about LED companies using random numbers for comparison to established lights...

ok, sorry, peace...All I am saying is when a member is reviewing a commercially available product, it gets a little old when all you DIY's keep chimbing in that you can do the same thing for less at home in your garage or basement. For starters, will I need a workbench and a worklight? How much...

In otherwords, I don't need to DIY, I have enough money to buy most of us that are new to led only know the old mh numbers, 250,400,600,1000, so we are looking for a number to give us a frame of reference

yes, there is probably nothing anybody sells for a profit that you can't make for yourself cheaper. You just keep making those chassis, and if you work hard enough, and sell enough of them you may someday have enough money to buy a light..

yes, and what we are finding is, when you are dealing with a product like pot , where there is high demand, and is so easy to grow, Americans will pay more for Made in America. When I am buying a ballpoint pen I may just buy the cheapest, but when I am buying a light, that's a different matter...

no kidding, when comparing two lights it's amazing how the Made in America will get you to spend twice the money. I don't think the government knows how much money there is in pot and those of us who don't sell for a living will pay extra (sometimes twice as much) for our beloved light if it...

E="JimmyIndica, post: 11690247, member: 891844"]model 6 chassis is fabricated at heavenbright! optic cases have knockouts at each end for airflow! My 200 watt optic has run 31/2 months 12/12 no problems -actually cooler than I anticipated. the optic cases are from other areas of the world! Here...

you don't seem to like the way Chinese build chassis, can you please build me one for $2?

they need to put that picture up on their website. At least now I can see it and know what we are talking about.

that's cool. I'm in the market for a new light. We got to arguing last night on another thread about lights and it broke down to traditional led vs cob. I'm very confused and don't know who to beleive. I've googled vero and optic and heavenbright till I'm blue in the face and stil can't figure...

dang, my clw 220 is already old? I just bought it a couple of harvests ago. Oh well, if everybody has moved on I guess I'll just follow. Let me know when I am supposed to buy a new light, and if it's not too much trouble the exact model number and price. I want to keep up with everybody that is...

and that is why your pot and my pot is better than anything you can buy It's getting to where you can tell the difference between factory pot and home grown pot. I can tell you, this pot I am stoned on right now is better than any pot I ever bought. Could be just genetics. But it was grown in...

grams? who cares about grams? We already have all the grams we can smoke. Now we are talking about quality.

I don't doubt you, there is no free lunch.. Not sure what an osram is. Not trying to justify my clw. I just know I enjoy it more than those old hot energy eating hids.

I checked out spider, and optics, not sure what the other ones were. Nothing clicked. They were talking to nerds who like lights, not farmers who like to grow pot. That's how I ended up with CLW. They presented their product in a way I could understand. "Here's a $439 light which will cover 2x2...

yes, we all know that. We are looking for something better. That old 600w is the best pot growing work horse they ever invented. So that is what we are kind of comparing to. Everybody knows you can grow top shelf pot with a 600. But it's heat and expensive to run, so we are just looking for...

doesn't do us much good when you say, "COBs are the best but you can't buy them, you have to build them yourself."

because you can't recommend a ready made cob we can buy with a credit card.

and whatever happened to the oldtime hardcore growers who claimed 600w mh/hps was the best light you can buy? how so? you lost me. In a small space all I am concerned about is intensity. Why do I care about grams per watts? A watt one way or the other isn't going to affect me much. Especially...

but getting back to op. He is looking for opinions on just the normal led's that are being sold today. I voted CLW, I think he is voting Kind. Everybody else votes they are all a bunch of shit. That doesn't really help us much does it?