Government Waste Could Pay For Healthcare

[joe macclennan]

Conventional farming techniques are going to destroy the land they farm on. One straw revolution, check it out.

Paying people not to farm their land had more to do with the Great Depression. Basically food prices were dropping like a stone (which actually would have been good for many people given most folks were losing their job or seeing their salary drop - not everyone obviously on both counts). Farmers couldn't repay their loans because there was excessive food production relative demand. So they attempted to curtail it with government policy by paying farmers to not farm their land and also thereby providing some level of welfare to farmers struggling to pay their bills. It was just another policy to benefit the creditors at the end of the day. Steal more from Peter to pay Paul - in a different fashion.

leaving land fallow has been in practice long before the depression. perhaps the programs to help entice farmers to do so were initiated during the depression(i don't know) but the practice is much older than that.

True, there are other (arguably better) sustainable methods to increase yields. Such as planting cover crops like beets,rye,barley,and oats among others, but not all farmers have the time, ability, or desire to do so.

Not to mention the benefit to wildlife from a field being inactive for 5-7 yrs.

there are certainly both pro's and con's to this practice.

 

[beenthere]

we'll get right on this as soon as ted cruz and his constituents come up with the 24Billion$ that they racked up on a country, at a time when we can least afford to do so..yeah, what a good, upstanding american he is..

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To be honest, harry reid and the democrats were just as much to blame but we know how the lefties are when it comes to being honest.

Republicans believe the ACA will put severe economic hardship on the American economy, in retrospect it appears they were dead right.
The left has no conscious when it comes to spending, in fact that's how they win elections, they promise social subsidies in exchange for votes.

Democrats could have stopped it and the same for the Republicans, I guess that's why we have a balance of powers.

So the left wouldn't give in and neither would the right, that's the only fair way to judge the government shutdown, But I'm sure some right and left wing hacks won't see it that way.

 

[joe macclennan]

Aids is a worldwide epidemic, if you don't treat it as such many, many more fall victim. The basics of epidemiology. It is a service to the Earth. You are a myopic, selfish, and just fighting. I actually thought it was a joke and was joking in response.

and why do we make the worlds' problems our problems? I'm not saying that people dying in third world countries is a good thing, but don't we have enough problems of our own?

I mean there are thousands of people who die every month here in the US cuz they cannot afford the treatments they need. Why not spend OUR money on OUR taxpayers and citizens?

I truly believe the good ol' us of a should really start putting our money to work for us. Not giving it to scores of underprivileged nations.

I mean fuck! trillions in debt and the value of the dollar is plummeting but we still keep giving it away?

The days of being the worlds nanny and watchdog should end.

 

[burgertime2010]

and why do we make the worlds' problems our problems? I'm not saying that people dying in third world countries is a good thing, but don't we have enough problems of our own?

I truly believe the good ol' us of a should really start putting our money to work for us. Not giving it to scores of underprivileged nations.

I mean fuck! trillions in debt and the value of the dollar is plummeting but we still keep giving it away?

The days of being the worlds nanny and watchdog should end.

I said Aids research is merited even in China....the watchdog concept hardly applies. Rampant disease in any part of a human population is to be dealt with......The End.

 

[beenthere]

and why do we make the worlds' problems our problems? I'm not saying that people dying in third world countries is a good thing, but don't we have enough problems of our own?

I truly believe the good ol' us of a should really start putting our money to work for us. Not giving it to scores of underprivileged nations.

I mean fuck! trillions in debt and the value of the dollar is plummeting but we still keep giving it away?

The days of being the worlds nanny and watchdog should end.

I'm with ya on that, the money we waste on foreign aid, too many military bases abroad and wars we end up fighting and financing for the rest of the free world has to stop.

 

[joe macclennan]

the beginning.....

i believe the chinese can take care of themselves..

If we keep going this way they'll be taking care of us soon

 

[joe macclennan]

I'm with ya on that, the money we waste on foreign aid, too many military bases abroad and wars we end up fighting and financing for the rest of the free world has to stop.

I disagree with a lot of your views, but on this I concur

 

[joe macclennan]

..the watchdog concept hardly applies.

agreed. but the nanny concept certainly does.

.Rampant disease in any part of a human population is to be dealt with......

certainly, by their own.

we take care of us

they take care of them

simple really

 

[burgertime2010]

We live in a country with many migrant populations and the academic study of these patterns helps protect us. If an airborne virus could kill people the entire civilized world would be on that. Borders are a non issue with the spread of infectious disease. It would be worldwide in days. You think that this sort of "charity" is irresponsible spending? Look past your thumb for a second and realize that. It is a noble effort by these men and women.....I applaud them. As far as military waste goes that is another ballgame entirely.....that is a huge financial burden for the US. You can't make a blanket argument that foreign aid is useless. You depend on the work of so many worldwide, it is hard to believe. I don't believe either of you are good policy makers or even took biology. Glib separatism is not for all of America, your fears and indifference are your own.

 

[bird mcbride]

WOW...If I woke up from a drunk and found out I was out $3,000,000,000,000, I'd be livid! But that's what the U.S.A. did. Because of 9/11 the nation came out swinging like a drunk at a bar that didn't know who suckered him. Hitler wouldn't hesitate to exterminate prostitutes and such with aids. Don't let the propoganda fool you.

 

[bird mcbride]

Here's another thing. A nation as advanced as the U.S.A. has to pull a tape to have it analized to find out whether an aircraft has been hijacked or not. How can they claim that this type of security is fortress America.

Add: Funny how an old airforce base in newfoundland that hadn't been used since ww2 was resurfaced just in time for 9/11.

 

[burgertime2010]

WOW...If I woke up from a drunk and found out I was out $3,000,000,000,000, I'd be livid! But that's what the U.S.A. did. Because of 9/11 the nation came out swinging like a drunk at a bar that didn't know who suckered him. Hitler wouldn't hesitate to exterminate prostitutes and such with aids. Don't let the propoganda fool you.

Hitler is a role model? I am confused.

 

[ChesusRice]

Here's another thing. A nation as advanced as the U.S.A. has to pull a tape to have it analized to find out whether an aircraft has been hijacked or not. How can they claim that this type of security is fortress America.

Add: Funny how an old airforce base in newfoundland that hadn't been used since ww2 was resurfaced just in time for 9/11.

You listen to Alex Jones dont ya

 

[joe macclennan]

We live in a country with many migrant populations and the academic study of these patterns helps protect us. If an airborne virus could kill people the entire civilized world would be on that. Borders are a non issue with the spread of infectious disease. It would be worldwide in days..

ummm, not talking about the study of infectious disease. I believe you are changing your story a bit. In your previous post you were talking about aids. Did this disease suddenly find a new method of transmission? I was unaware it has gone airborne.

You think that this sort of "charity" is irresponsible spending?

If we cannot get our gov't to agree on how to implement a national health care system for US, or balance our checkbook. Why in the hell should we get involved in someone else' problems? Oh, I see. You are one of those types who would rather cross your fingers and HOPE things get better. While continuing to make the same erroneous decisions.

Look past your thumb for a second and realize that. It is a noble effort by these men and women.....I applaud them.

again... who exactly are we talking about here? Cuz I thought we were talking about the irresponsible spending that is so rampant in our govt.

If we are talking about private individuals or organizations who do charity work for underprivileged people then we are in agreement.

my family doctor retired recently and went to africa for an entire year giving free medical care. He made a good living here and decided to give a little back.....Nothing wrong with that at all. I applaud him and people like him, but...if you want to say that I should have to pay for their health and well being you are way off the mark. For petes sake man, americans can't even agree to help each other.

You can't make a blanket argument that foreign aid is useless. You depend on the work of so many worldwide, it is hard to believe. .

when we can't solve our own problems absolutely I can. as far as depending on them... I would rather pay more for AMERICAN products. There is very little that I DEPEND on that cannot me made or obtained right here at home.

As far as military waste goes that is another ballgame entirely.....that is a huge financial burden for the US. .

agreed. At least we agree on something eh?

I don't believe either of you are good policy makers or even took biology.

lol@ this. I did take biology. I don't believe you took economics. Ever hear the saying throwing good after bad? This is exactly what we are doing by continuing to fund fruitless efforts overseas. GEE whiz, we gave x millions of dollars to country y last year....that didn't work. lets double it this year. Meanwhile we have to cut domestic programs like foodstamps which helps OUR taxpayers???? splain that one to me professor.

. Glib separatism is not for all of America, your fears and indifference are your own.

I am NOT a separatist. You are overreaching with this statement, and making false assumptions.

as far as fears??? I really don't know where you got that either.

Indifferent? Maybe. Only because I know for a fact that so much is broken right here at home perhaps we should work on our own system/s
before we try to fix someone else'

 

[bird mcbride]

"like him, but...if you want to say that I should have to pay for their health and well being you are way off the mark. For petes sake man, americans can't even agree to help each other."

Your own common sense is staring you right in the face. Why would any government spend money on heathcare in a foriegn country when their own citizens don't have government subsidized healthcare. Obiously a needle is cheaper and less dangerous to use than a bullet. I commend the doctor who truly tried to stop these genicides.

 

[ChesusRice]

"like him, but...if you want to say that I should have to pay for their health and well being you are way off the mark. For petes sake man, americans can't even agree to help each other."

Your own common sense is staring you right in the face. Why would any government spend money on heathcare in a foriegn country when their own citizens don't have government subsidized healthcare. Obiously a needle is cheaper and less dangerous to use than a bullet. I commend the doctor who truly tried to stop these genicides.

Becuase most Flu regionally start in China and spread to the world along with other diseases. AND a lot of goverment funded outreach also pays off in intelligence gains.
Example
Why would we pay for immunizations in Pakistan?
Osama Bin Laden

 

[beenthere]

You can talk about flu's starting in China all you want, the fact remains that the American tax payer already pays enough to cover healthcare for those who truly cannot afford it, but our government squanders it on things they feel is more important.

So who is the greedy one when it comes to funding healthcare for the poor, the tax payer that is already footing the bill or the government who is not competent enough to make those tax dollars go to work? No fucking brainer.

 

[echelon1k1]

Becuase most Flu regionally start in China and spread to the world along with other diseases. AND a lot of goverment funded outreach also pays off in intelligence gains.
Example
Why would we pay for immunizations in Pakistan?
Osama Bin Laden

I think you've confused "government funded outreach" with "clandestine operation"... Oh and FYI the immunisation drive was fake...

 

[joe macclennan]

Why would any government spend money on heathcare in a foriegn country when their own citizens don't have government subsidized healthcare.

well said sir

Why would we pay for immunizations in Pakistan?
Osama Bin Laden

Fuck OBL. You think there aren't a whole slew of radicals more than happy to fill his shoes? This is the war we will never win. Actually I just watched a doc. on OBL. They said he was virtually broke and possibly had mental problems towards the end.

You can talk about flu's starting in China all you want, the fact remains that the American tax payer already pays enough to cover healthcare for those who truly cannot afford it, but our government squanders it on things they feel is more important.

So who is the greedy one when it comes to funding healthcare for the poor, the tax payer that is already footing the bill or the government who is not competent enough to make those tax dollars go to work? No fucking brainer.

gotta give it to ya beenthere. You are on a roll

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[beenthere]

well said sir

Fuck OBL. You think there aren't a whole slew of radicals more than happy to fill his shoes? This is the war we will never win. Actually I just watched a doc. on OBL. They said he was virtually broke and possibly had mental problems towards the end.


gotta give it to ya beenthere. You are on a roll

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I'm very passionate when it comes to the government wasting tax dollars and the left making the tax payers out to be selfish when it asks for more.

Where I'm at financially, I get hit harder with taxes than anyone. I pay a huge lump sum at the end of the year, enough to support a family of six quite comfortably.

But I live in California, the federal government taxes me at the same rate as someone living in the midwest but the cost of living is insanely higher here.
On top of that, living in California we've got one of the highest state income tax rates in the country.

People making big money (over $1million annually) can better afford this tax burden, for guys like me, it a steep up hill battle.

End of my rant.