Are you for or against gun control?

NoDrama

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How many crimes do you suppose were thwarted by good honest US citizens with guns?

Innumerably more than will ever be thwarted in ENGLAND! The facts prove that out PLAIN AS DAY!
 

MidwesternGro

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How many crimes do you suppose were thwarted by good honest US citizens with guns?

Innumerably more than will ever be thwarted in ENGLAND! The facts prove that out PLAIN AS DAY!
Prove it. We know for a FACT that they have less gun violence because of gun control.
 

NoDrama

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Prove it. We know for a FACT that they have less gun violence because of gun control.
big whoop, Americans have nicer teeth because of Self Control.

90% of all gun violence is in the city and perpetrated by Gang Bangers

I don't hang with bangers so my chance of ever being involved in a gun murder are almost nil.
 

NoDrama

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In England you can beat someone to near death, put them in hospital for weeks, say sorry and never be charged with a crime.
A win for English Justice.

Go put the kettle on, you'll feel better after a bit of Earl Grey and some crumpets or spotted dick.
Just brush your teeth afterwards.
 
Wild West: Shortly after the founding of English colonies in the early 17th century there were whites pushing west. They were armed and had conflict with natives and each other. I think for the participants they didn't doubt that it was wild or west.

Second amendment: Besides ensuring the right of the individual the framers of the constitution knew that an armed populace was a deterrence to an oppressive government.
 

UncleBuck

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Second amendment: Besides ensuring the right of the individual the framers of the constitution knew that an armed populace was a deterrence to an oppressive government.
the founding fathers also fought with muskets and cannons and considered blacks to be 3/5th of a person.

things change.
 

MidwesternGro

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the founding fathers also fought with muskets and cannons and considered blacks to be 3/5th of a person.

things change.
The founding fathers were also slave rapers. Thomas Jefferson was a rapist, in modern America he wouldn't be able to own a gun because he was a scumbag who raped and owned black people.
 

MidwesternGro

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No one has been able to prove that gun control leads to more gun violence. They have only posted sophistry about violent crimes that includes a large number of burglaries.

Gun control = less gun violence. Period.
 

NoDrama

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The founding fathers were also slave rapers. Thomas Jefferson was a rapist, in modern America he wouldn't be able to own a gun because he was a scumbag who raped and owned black people.
Horrible!! And to think slavery existed in every continent in every land for 10,000+ years. What I find the most appalling is that it was the african tribal kings who sold the people of conquered tribes to slave traders. Imagine selling your own people as slaves, incredible.

Jesus never said a bad word about slavery either. I wonder if he was raping any of them?

The bible tells slaves to be obedient to their masters.

The Catholic church not only condoned slavery, but owned a number of slaves.

I wonder if the priests were raping the altar boys on Sundays and raping the slaves on Saturdays?
 

NoDrama

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No one has been able to prove that gun control leads to more gun violence. They have only posted sophistry about violent crimes that includes a large number of burglaries.

Gun control = less gun violence. Period.
Gun control leads to more violence, obviously if guns are removed from the population there will be less crimes involving them. Likewise all the crimes prevented by a gun will now be enabled.

Remove cars from the road and you will have less car accidents.

Gun Control makes it especially easy to become a slave.
 

MidwesternGro

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Horrible!! And to think slavery existed in every continent in every land for 10,000+ years. What I find the most appalling is that it was the african tribal kings who sold the people of conquered tribes to slave traders. Imagine selling your own people as slaves, incredible.

Jesus never said a bad word about slavery either. I wonder if he was raping any of them?

The bible tells slaves to be obedient to their masters.

The Catholic church not only condoned slavery, but owned a number of slaves.

I wonder if the priests were raping the altar boys on Sundays and raping the slaves on Saturdays?
So you think that owning black people and raping them is acceptable under certain circumstances? And who gives a shit about the Catholic Church anymore?

Edit: I am an atheist so I really don't care about the goddamn bible.
 

NoDrama

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So you think that owning black people and raping them is acceptable under certain circumstances? And who gives a shit about the Catholic Church anymore?
Pretty sure I just said it was Horrible, can't you read?

Catholicism is practiced by 1 in 5 people in the world, its extremely relevant.

Times change. I think its appalling for a girl the age of 12 to get married, but in other cultures it is totally acceptable and 100 years ago was nothing too unusual in the USA.
 

MidwesternGro

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Pretty sure I just said it was Horrible, can't you read?

Catholicism is practiced by 1 in 5 people in the world, its extremely relevant.

Times change. I think its appalling for a girl the age of 12 to get married, but in other cultures it is totally acceptable and 100 years ago was nothing too unusual in the USA.
I read your "Horrible!!" with two (2!!) quotation marks as being sarcastic, which is how you meant it to be. But at least we agree that Thomas Jefferson was a scumbag then if you are backpedaling. Yes, marrying a 12 year old is not right, we know better now.
 

NoDrama

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I read your "Horrible!!" with two (2!!) quotation marks as being sarcastic, which is how you meant it to be. But at least we agree that Thomas Jefferson was a scumbag then if you are backpedaling. Yes, marrying a 12 year old is not right, we know better now.
Sarcasm is a cutting remark intended to slight another. That didn't happen here.

Exclamation marks: !!!!

Quotation marks: ""

How do you expect to be taken seriously?
No one is back peddling, the 12 year old remark was intended to be an example of how things change over time. It had nothing to do with Jefferson.

If you are an Atheist, then whence does your moral compass come from?
 

Doer

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Prove it. We know for a FACT that they have less gun violence because of gun control.
Speaking of Sophistry....England UK Commonwealth have the same stats. The Sophister is "gun violence" in a gun control of the Subjects. It also include press gag. So you do really know what the judiciary is up to nor are you prepared to meet them. Law enforcement is Crown vs, not the People vs.

But other violence is way up. I was in a Pub in London last year, Svaile Row, Banker types, mid-afternoon. Knives flash out, blood on the floor....

So, in the the UK, (bite me) Rape, assault, home robbery and home torture and other crimes we use a gun against are way up.

So, for people that rebelled against this Commonweatlh, we know the Subjects are still after the Colony about guns.

There never were much guns for Subjects. We need the guns to remain from from you. Very simple.
 

Doer

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I read your "Horrible!!" with two (2!!) quotation marks as being sarcastic, which is how you meant it to be. But at least we agree that Thomas Jefferson was a scumbag then if you are backpedaling. Yes, marrying a 12 year old is not right, we know better now.

OK, so no Subject ever raped slaves? I think you are too young and uninformed for this. You might want head over to Toke and Talk, low speed. In fact slavery was abolished only in 1833 under the Crown.

And there is a long history of Slaves in England, and slaves sent from England, transported. Ugly. No wonder the Irish are full of hate for the Subjects. They too have been slaves.
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While there has been some historical references of Irish enslaved in colonial America the main geographical area of Irish enslavement was the Caribbean. Montserrat is one of only a handful of countries that celebrate St. Patrick's day as a national holiday. This is due to the large percentage of Irish descendants in the population. In fact, most Montserratans spoke Irish Gaelic until early 1900s. During the Cromwellian campaign in Ireland many Irish rebels and stubborn landowners and tenants were rounded up and sent to the Caribbean to work alongside African slaves on English owned plantations.

Admiral Sir John Hawkins of Plymouth, a notable Elizabethan seafarer, is widely acknowledged to be "the Pioneer of the English Slave Trade". In 1554–1555

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In fact there is only one reason the US had slaves. The were bought by the British slave Trade to America. Then we rebelled but still had the damn slave problem to deal with. You think your family never seeded slave girls. I bet they did.

You Subjects are lied to, and you try to bring your lies to us. But, we have guns. We don't care how un-informed the Subjects are.

Time to switch thumbs.
 

londonfog

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Wild West: Shortly after the founding of English colonies in the early 17th century there were whites pushing west. They were armed and had conflict with natives and each other. I think for the participants they didn't doubt that it was wild or west.

Sorry the Wild West as noted as a part of American history was not in the early 17th century. You do realize the early 17th century was 1601-1650??? Hell we only had 7 Colonies at that time. The 13 colonies were not completed until the 1733 ( Georgia being the last )which is in the 18th century. In short the Wild West was not before or during the Revolutionary War.:roll:

I think ALL American's should now take a history test for their citizenship. I think more illegals know our history then some of you do.

You guys now wonder why they want to keep marijuana illegal. They think it makes you stupid and by some of the answers given... they have plenty of ammo.

You do realize that 2013 is in the 21st century... I hope
 

Doer

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I always said fuck the founders due to that
Wake up. That was 3/5 better than ANYONE else treated them. And they were not 3/5 of a person.
Jefferson wanted them to have 3/5 of a vote. It was a good compromise at the time. And would have done so much to farther the cause of freedom.
Women were not even counted at all.

Wake up!

Imagine how much sooner they could have gotten that other 2/5? We would not have had the 2nd Civil War, I think. And all Americans would be less divided by this.

The Brits dumped slaves into the Colonies. There was a world wide British Slave Trade until 1803. Then the Navy turned on it's own traders.

We rebelled, fought and got rid of Slavery, but, unlike the British we never transported. We rebelled to straighten that Crown bullshit once and for all, for us.
 
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