US Black citizens are more likely to be killed by the police

Fogdog

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Published March 3, 2022. In light of what happened in Memphis, as pertinent today as then.


According to data collected by The Washington Post, police shot and killed at least 1,055 people nationwide last year, the most since the newspaper began tracking fatal shootings by officers in 2015. That is more than the 1,021 shootings in 2020 and the 999 in 2019.

Black people, who account for 13 percent of the U.S. population, accounted for 27 percent of those fatally shot and killed by police in 2021, according to Mapping Police Violence, a nonprofit group that tracks police shootings. That means Black people are twice as likely as white people to be shot and killed by police officers.


This doesn't even account for those who died like Tyre. He was beaten to death.

Republicans make hay over the political misfire BLM made when they coined the term "defund the police". It would be nice if they saved a little outrage over police hurting the people they are supposed to protect.

People perceive that people protesting in the streets leads to people caring more, and sometimes it leads to people resisting the change more. And in this case, we’re talking about officers resisting the change,” said Ray, who is also a professor of sociology at the University of Maryland. “What we see in the immediate aftermath of the demonstrations is police officers’ hunkering down and standing behind the blue wall of silence even more.”

There it is again. That god damned blue wall of silence. Probably the largest obstacle to overcome next to white men's ignorance.

Williams said the data mean that “until we get to policies that dismantle the system that exists, we’re not going to see this stop.”
“We can say, ‘Things have changed because the national dialogue is changing.’ But until we get to the crux of the problem, we’re going to see this continue,” she said.
Leslie Mac, an organizer and activist from Brooklyn, New York, who calls herself a “staunch abolitionist,” said she was not surprised by The Post’s numbers, saying they stem from a lack of movement on policies to change officers’ attitudes.

“We’ve seen a double-down on reform measures that have already been proven to not work, that don’t get to the heart of the white supremacy that is built into policing in this country,” Mac said. “There’s nothing that actually addresses the root issues that exist within policing, whether that’s under-accountability, whether that’s the amount of weaponry they have at their disposal or whether it’s in who they’re accountable to.


What is it that works? Fewer men with guns and more unarmed peace officers who have the right skills for the majority of calls that don't call for an armed warrior.

Like others who want to abolish police and systems of incarceration, Mac said funds intended for police should instead address root problems like ensuring safe housing and sufficient clothing, food and mental health and addiction services.

“The police are not equipped to deal with those things,” she said. “And so really what these communities are screaming for is to have resources put in the places where the community actually needs them. And I think so much of that got lost in the ‘How dare you take money away from the police to be safe.’”


Of course, this can't happen without a mandate from the people. Without strong community support and the threat of replacing mayors and coucil members with people willing to face down the police union, we'll just see what the police union wants, which are platitudes.
 

Fogdog

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The Memphis incident:



Jan. 7: Around 8:30 p.m., Mr. Nichols was stopped by police officers on suspicion of reckless driving near the intersection of Raines Road and Ross Road in Memphis.
The Memphis police said in an initial statement that a “confrontation occurred” as the officers approached his vehicle and that Mr. Nichols ran away. The police said there was then “another confrontation” as officers arrested him, and that an ambulance was called after he complained of shortness of breath.

Jan. 10: The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation announced that Mr. Nichols had “succumbed to his injuries” and died.

Jan. 14: Mr. Nichols’s family held a memorial event and released a balloon in his honor, according to the Commercial Appeal, a Memphis newspaper. Supporters held a protest at a nearby police precinct.

Jan. 15: The Memphis Police Department announced that internal administrative investigations were underway.

Jan. 16: Mr. Nichols’s family retained the prominent civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who has represented the families of several Black victims of police violence, including Michael Brown, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd. Mr. Crump called for Memphis police to release body camera footage of the encounter: “Nobody should ever die from a simple traffic stop — the footage is the only way to discern the true narrative of why and how that happened to Tyre.”

Jan. 18: The U.S. Department of Justice announced that it had opened a civil rights investigation into Mr. Nichols’s death and was coordinating with the F.B.I.’s Memphis field office.

Jan. 20: The Memphis Police Department said five officers had violated department policies in connection to Mr. Nichols’ death, including policies governing excessive use of force, duty to intervene and duty to render aid. All five officers were fired.

Jan. 23: Mr. Nichols’s family watched the body camera footage from the night of the traffic stop, but Mr. Nichols’s mother was unable to watch the entire video. Lawyers for the family called the video “disgusting,” likening it to the one showing how Rodney King was brutalized by Los Angeles police in 1991. “How are we here again so many years later?” they asked in a statement.

Jan. 24: Preliminary findings of an autopsy commissioned by Mr. Nichols’s family showed that he “suffered extensive bleeding caused by a severe beating.” His family shared a photo taken before he died on Jan. 10 that showed him in a hospital bed, apparently unconscious, his face bruised and swollen.
The Memphis Fire Department announced that two employees involved in Mr. Nichols’s “initial patient care” were being “relieved of duty” pending an internal investigation.

Jan. 25: The Memphis police chief, Cerelyn Davis, condemned the police officers’ actions as “a failing of basic humanity” in a video statement. Other Memphis police officers were still under investigation for policy violations, she said.
Noting the “significant public interest” in the release of the video, the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Tennessee also urged citizens to react in a “peaceful and non-violent way.”

Jan. 26: The five fired police officers were arrested in connection with Mr. Nichols’s death and charged with second-degree murder, among other felony charges.

Since then, a sixth and seventh police officer have been suspended

Not sure how Black people are the obstacle here.
 

BudmanTX

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The Memphis incident:



Jan. 7: Around 8:30 p.m., Mr. Nichols was stopped by police officers on suspicion of reckless driving near the intersection of Raines Road and Ross Road in Memphis.
The Memphis police said in an initial statement that a “confrontation occurred” as the officers approached his vehicle and that Mr. Nichols ran away. The police said there was then “another confrontation” as officers arrested him, and that an ambulance was called after he complained of shortness of breath.

Jan. 10: The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation announced that Mr. Nichols had “succumbed to his injuries” and died.

Jan. 14: Mr. Nichols’s family held a memorial event and released a balloon in his honor, according to the Commercial Appeal, a Memphis newspaper. Supporters held a protest at a nearby police precinct.

Jan. 15: The Memphis Police Department announced that internal administrative investigations were underway.

Jan. 16: Mr. Nichols’s family retained the prominent civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who has represented the families of several Black victims of police violence, including Michael Brown, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd. Mr. Crump called for Memphis police to release body camera footage of the encounter: “Nobody should ever die from a simple traffic stop — the footage is the only way to discern the true narrative of why and how that happened to Tyre.”

Jan. 18: The U.S. Department of Justice announced that it had opened a civil rights investigation into Mr. Nichols’s death and was coordinating with the F.B.I.’s Memphis field office.

Jan. 20: The Memphis Police Department said five officers had violated department policies in connection to Mr. Nichols’ death, including policies governing excessive use of force, duty to intervene and duty to render aid. All five officers were fired.

Jan. 23: Mr. Nichols’s family watched the body camera footage from the night of the traffic stop, but Mr. Nichols’s mother was unable to watch the entire video. Lawyers for the family called the video “disgusting,” likening it to the one showing how Rodney King was brutalized by Los Angeles police in 1991. “How are we here again so many years later?” they asked in a statement.

Jan. 24: Preliminary findings of an autopsy commissioned by Mr. Nichols’s family showed that he “suffered extensive bleeding caused by a severe beating.” His family shared a photo taken before he died on Jan. 10 that showed him in a hospital bed, apparently unconscious, his face bruised and swollen.
The Memphis Fire Department announced that two employees involved in Mr. Nichols’s “initial patient care” were being “relieved of duty” pending an internal investigation.

Jan. 25: The Memphis police chief, Cerelyn Davis, condemned the police officers’ actions as “a failing of basic humanity” in a video statement. Other Memphis police officers were still under investigation for policy violations, she said.
Noting the “significant public interest” in the release of the video, the U.S. attorney for the Western District of Tennessee also urged citizens to react in a “peaceful and non-violent way.”

Jan. 26: The five fired police officers were arrested in connection with Mr. Nichols’s death and charged with second-degree murder, among other felony charges.

Since then, a sixth and seventh police officer have been suspended

Not sure how Black people are the obstacle here.
ah the Mr Nichol's police fall out, up to 7 now, there may be a few more.....these guys were charged weren't they?
 

Fogdog

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I'm just being real, it's a low % of the population. It makes it difficult to affect any sort of change.
I fail to make the connection here. Do you really think that this is a "small" problem? It is not a "small problem" to the population of Black people. And really, a police force that is able to justify the kind of action taken on Tyre is able to do that to anybody. So, it's not just about police on Black crime but police brutality that is MORE OFTEN directed at Black people

So, let's take skin color out of this and make it your family (assuming you have one). If your kid were killed for no reason by a police officer, you wouldn't want to see to it that steps are take to prevent this from happening again? I'm not talking about statistics but your son.
 

BudmanTX

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The first five are charged with 2nd degree murder
The other two have been suspended. I'm guessing they are suspended while an investigation is underway.
thought there was more, like ems people who were suspended too.....
 

Rob Roy

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I fail to make the connection here. Do you really think that this is a "small" problem? It is not a "small problem" to the population of Black people. And really, a police force that is able to justify the kind of action taken on Tyre is able to do that to anybody. So, it's not just about police on Black crime but police brutality that is MORE OFTEN directed at Black people

So, let's take skin color out of this and make it your family (assuming you have one). If your kid were killed for no reason by a police officer, you wouldn't want to see to it that steps are take to prevent this from happening again? I'm not talking about statistics but your son.
This is the part where I jump in and tout a free market solution. Without that, "solutions" within the stautus quo will just be turd polishing.

If police are killing (murdering) people, it would make sense to not have police "investigate themselves" or have legal protections other people don't. Another way to do that, is to take away their immunity and make them personally liable for ALL their bad actions, up to and including murder. No passing their shit onto their "customer", the captive customers forced to pay for their fuckups.

Also, if police are part of a club that has a monoply on the use of force (they are) it would make sense to have other market options.

Then people unrestrained from the coercive monopoly police have can chose the service providers that actually protect people. Without the element of customer feedback, there is very little incentive for bad actors in a given market to give good customer service. Captive markets versus free markets. Consumer choice and customer feedback provide strong incentives.

Consumer feedback... It's how we weed out the poor service suppliers here on a pot forum that sell seeds etc. It's how we sometimes chose to buy things on e-bay or Amazon or how we chose which car to buy etc.

As far as cops killing (murdering) black people, sure that's a problem, but it should be further examined for causes. I'd say part, if not most of it is, cops are legalized thugs, but there's more to it.

Some of it could be there is a high element of tension for a cop when dealing with young black men who statistically speaking murder other people at a very high rate. In particular a subset of young black men murder each other and everyone else at a high rate. Cops for the most part are not the brightest people and may have poor threat discernment capability and most are power tripping anyway and rather than de-escalating situations, they escalate them. Dumb cop, add in young thug or nice kid that looks like a young thug and there's a recipe for violence.

To ignore all the factors when solving the equation may be a form of "race protectionism" . Ironically, to ONLY see ALL black people as violent thugs worthy of violent treatment is also a form of racism.

Not to mention all the victim less crime laws, war on drugs etc. that help create "reasons" for cops to molest people.

Root causes are better to address than symptoms when solving a problem.
 
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