POLL: RIU Users Conservative or Liberal?

[Moebius]

in some countries, only the wealthy(strong)survive. still, i would choose social darwinism over a caste system any day.

Why or How would you ever have to choose between those two choices? Seems quite unlikely.

 

[deprave]

Cool ... I would rather you didnt call me 'Sir' though. Thankyou

I found this - biologists and historians maintain that it is rather a perversion of Charles Darwin's ideas.
Basically what I said.

Your right...it inspired eugenist like the nazi's , its the same idea that only the strong survive.

from the 3rd paragph on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

the sources are as follows (regardless it doesn't matter its self explanatory as its practically the definition for darwinian theory):

• Gregory Claeys (2000). The "Survival of the Fittest" and the Origins of Social Darwinism. Journal of the History of Ideas 61 (2):223-240.
• ^ Bowler 2003, pp. 298–299
• ^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] "CA002.1: Social Darwinism.". TalkOrigins Archive. 2003-09-26. Retrieved 25 April 2012.

 

[Omgwtfbbq Indicaman]

i think socialism dissolves into caste systems, thats why i don't call myself a socialist or communist despite sharing many of its core ideas.

 

[Moebius]

i think socialism dissolves into caste systems, thats why i don't call myself a socialist or communist despite sharing many of its core ideas.

A socialist society has never really been tried. Stalinist communism yes, Marxist/Trotskyist Socialism No.

Caste system ... My only reference would be Hinduism in India. I can't see how this applies to socialism.

 

[Moebius]

Living in Europe and watching the GOP nominee debates, I couldnt understand why R.Paul stood under a republican banner.

Does anyone agree he would have been better as an independent candidate ... Or was that not an option under the U.S system?

Also, no matter how hard I tried I could never find any candidates from smaller parties. Greens, socialists etc. ..... Do these guys ever get a chance to debate with the Big 2 in American politics?

And you always hear "America, the worlds most democratic nation", anyone agree with this?

edit:
watching CNN atm ... they just advertised Biden v Ryan on friday .... should be a laugh.

 

[Harrekin]

A socialist society has never really been tried. Stalinist communism yes, Marxist/Trotskyist Socialism No.

Caste system ... My only reference would be Hinduism in India. I can't see how this applies to socialism.

Socialism is simply a stepping stone to Communism.

Fucking commies.

 

[Moebius]

Fucking commies.

That's original, nice.

 

[Harrekin]

That's original, nice.

Oh so claiming to like socialism purely to get the applause of the "bleeding hearts" crew is original now?

 

[althor]

Living in Europe and watching the GOP nominee debates, I couldnt understand why R.Paul stood under a republican banner.

Does anyone agree he would have been better as an independent candidate ... Or was that not an option under the U.S system?

Also, no matter how hard I tried I could never find any candidates from smaller parties. Greens, socialists etc. ..... Do these guys ever get a chance to debate with the Big 2 in American politics?

And you always hear "America, the worlds most democratic nation", anyone agree with this?

edit:
watching CNN atm ... they just advertised Biden v Ryan on friday .... should be a laugh.

An independant has no chance in hell to win. If they cant get picked up by one of the two major parties, its hopeless.

 

[FreedomWorks]

Yes, you're right... Of course there is more to the quote.. Although, if I remember correctly its not "I am my brother's keeper" as you said... I think its more along the lines of "You are your brother's keeper- You are your sister's keeper" ... I might just have a listen to confirm when I get a chance.. What a speech!!!

As far the whole Kenya thing (Damn you guys love O's history)(I smell a birther LMAO)... Are you suggesting we give aid to Kenya? Or are you talking about on a personal level? You said foodstamps specifically.. And since when have we been providing "foodstamps" (I think you mean SNAP) to Mexico's citizens? What on earth are you talking about? Please enlighten me, I'm very interested in what you have to say.

How a person behaves towards his own family says a lot about who they are, and what type of president they will be. Vote Mitt Romeny. I'm one of those "actions speak louder than words" kind of people. So when I hear Obama say " you are your brother's keeper", and then he goes and shits on his brother George; it looks bad. Really bad.

 

[Carthoris]

That's original, nice.

Politically, the world never stands still. It always moves towards something. Europe is becoming more and more socialist as time goes on. It will either continue to get more and more socialist until it passes into communist or it will turn and move towards capitalism again. Look at France raising the top rate to 75%. Next will be income caps and business takeovers by the government to ensure price stability and everyone has equal access to products.

 

[Harrekin]

Politically, the world never stands still. It always moves towards something. Europe is becoming more and more socialist as time goes on. It will either continue to get more and more socialist until it passes into communist or it will turn and move towards capitalism again. Look at France raising the top rate to 75%. Next will be income caps and business takeovers by the government to ensure price stability and everyone has equal access to products.

Most of Europe is swinging to the right, France just elected a Socialist president cos they've such a large cheese eater population now.

 

[deprave]

Living in Europe and watching the GOP nominee debates, I couldnt understand why R.Paul stood under a republican banner.

Does anyone agree he would have been better as an independent candidate ... Or was that not an option under the U.S system?

Also, no matter how hard I tried I could never find any candidates from smaller parties. Greens, socialists etc. ..... Do these guys ever get a chance to debate with the Big 2 in American politics?

And you always hear "America, the worlds most democratic nation", anyone agree with this?

edit:
watching CNN atm ... they just advertised Biden v Ryan on friday .... should be a laugh.

Yea we all agree pretty much, no the other parties don't get to debate or media coverage. The media is controlled by the corporations as are republicans and democrat, we are a fascist country.

 

[deprave]

also Democracy is a lie and has never existed anywhere except maybe Sweden

 

[Moebius]

Fucking commies.

That's original, nice.

Oh so claiming to like socialism purely to get the applause of the "bleeding hearts" crew is original now?

Sorry, I don't feed Trolls. .... If you don't want to engage in respectful debate then please don't address any questions to me.

 

[Harrekin]

Sorry, I don't feed Trolls. .... If you don't want to engage in respectful debate then please don't address any questions to me.

Good way to avoid the point.

All your great leftie thinkers all said socialism is purely a stepping stone to Communism. I then expressed my dislike for Communism using that whole free-speech thing.

If you don't want to admit you're a commie in disguise, that's fine, but don't get butthurt at me for pointing it out.

 

[budlover13]

Libertarian ftw.

 

[Moebius]

Good way to avoid the point.

All your great leftie thinkers all said socialism is purely a stepping stone to Communism. I then expressed my dislike for Communism using that whole free-speech thing.

If you don't want to admit you're a commie in disguise, that's fine, but don't get butthurt at me for pointing it out.

... You can leave the butt hurt stuff out, its just not necessary and only serves to lower the tone of the debate.

I have no problem with being called a "commie". In fact Ive been on many marches with the communist workers party. If you hadn't engaged me in such an ignorant manner I might have been willing to discuss further.

I just don't want to waste my time talking politics with somebody who uses language like that. Thats all.

 

[Carthoris]

also Democracy is a lie and has never existed anywhere except maybe Sweden

America is not, was not, and most likely will never be a democracy.

 

[Harrekin]

... You can leave the butt hurt stuff out, its just not necessary and only serves to lower the tone of the debate.

I have no problem with being called a "commie". In fact Ive been on many marches with the communist workers party. If you hadn't engaged me in such an ignorant manner I might have been willing to discuss further.

I just don't want to waste my time talking politics with somebody who uses language like that. Thats all.

Wahhhhh wahhhhh!

Typical lefty liberal debate tactic.