trayvan martin

Carne Seca · Apr 23, 2012

Yeah this can't be Zimmerman. If it is, he has the worst defense team in history.

cliffey501 · Apr 23, 2012

UncleBuck said:
i work for the illuminati and get paid by globalist zionist elitist jew bankers who control the world.

also, i sell treadmills.

Uncle adolf warned us of you people in mein kampf.

Selling treadmills in America, sounds like a billion dollar idea.

UncleBuck · Apr 23, 2012

cliffey501 said:
USelling treadmills in America, sounds like a billion dollar idea.

trolled the shit out of you.

Stillbuzzin · Apr 23, 2012

UncleBuck said:
you're not so bright either i see.

serino, the lead detective, wanted to go ahead with manslaughter night one. he said zimmerman's story did not add up and was unconvincing. wanted to go ahead with manslaughter.

oddly, the now resigned prosecutor left his house late on a sunday evening to meet in person with the now resigned police chief (usually they phone cases in). he told them to "cut him loose".

did i ever say they charged him with manslaughter? find it and quote it.

potato.

Not even close to what you said. Change thats what you are all about.

UncleBuck · Apr 23, 2012

Stillbuzzin said:
Not even close to what you said. Change thats what you are all about.

please find where i said he was ever charged with manslaughter as you claim.

until then, just shut the fuck up. you are a pathetic, irksome blatherskite.

MuyLocoNC · Apr 23, 2012

UncleBuck said:
the looking for an address thing comes right from his dad and brother's versions.

I understand that, but what is the source of their versions? MSM, blogger, official release? I'm more than a little skeptical of anything that isn't official as we've already seen statements and transcripts edited for ulterior motives.

UncleBuck said:
he has every right to go behind those houses in pursuit of martin.

but to say he was looking for an address back there is a bunch of retarded, seeing as how he lived there for 5 years, patrolled the neighborhood, and was parked pretty close to the fronts of some houses with addresses on them.

it puts yet another hole in his tall tale. o'mara is probably sweating, he better be as good as he seems.

I'm confused, you said it was his father and brother's version. Zimmerman isn't responsible for their statements. How is it a hole in HIS story? Not nitpicking, but it seems like a complete contradiction. I don't think the prosecution can pick apart his account by saying "but your brother said..." Zimmerman's lawyer would have a field day with that argument.

doc111 · Apr 23, 2012

UncleBuck said:
the proof of pursuit is easily discerned from the 911 tapes and the location of the murder.

Easily discerned, or proven? Proof doesn't typically have to be "easily discerned". It usually stares you right in the face. Credible eyewitness testimony or video would likely constitute "proof". This is nothing more than speculation based on, what, some words on a tape and an "X" on a map? Doesn't seem like a smoking gun to me. Besides, it doesn't matter.....he could "pursue" whomever he choses. :blsmoke:

UncleBuck · Apr 23, 2012

MuyLocoNC said:
I understand that, but what is the source of their versions? MSM, blogger, official release? I'm more than a little skeptical of anything that isn't official as we've already seen statements and transcripts edited for ulterior motives.

straight from the lips of his brother and his dad on recorded television.

MuyLocoNC said:
I'm confused, you said it was his father and brother's version. Zimmerman isn't responsible for their statements. How is it a hole in HIS story? Not nitpicking, but it seems like a complete contradiction. I don't think the prosecution can pick apart his account by saying "but your brother said..." Zimmerman's lawyer would have a field day with that argument.

so when zimmerman comes to court with a version of events that in no way resembles what his brother and his father said he said, he'll be seen as ultra credible. LOL!

UncleBuck · Apr 23, 2012

doc111 said:
Easily discerned, or proven? Proof doesn't typically have to be "easily discerned". It usually stares you right in the face. Credible eyewitness testimony or video would likely constitute "proof". This is nothing more than speculation based on, what, some words on a tape and an "X" on a map? Doesn't seem like a smoking gun to me. Besides, it doesn't matter.....he could "pursue" whomever he choses.

yes, words on tape where you can hear him getting out of his truck, a location of a murder, and an eyewitness who saw a pursuit. the prosecution has already tipped their hat about this one.

londonfog · Apr 23, 2012

doc111 said:
Easily discerned, or proven? Proof doesn't typically have to be "easily discerned". It usually stares you right in the face. Credible eyewitness testimony or video would likely constitute "proof". This is nothing more than speculation based on, what, some words on a tape and an "X" on a map? Doesn't seem like a smoking gun to me. Besides, it doesn't matter.....he could "pursue" whomever he choses.

you missing a key fact that will be used. He was advised by the very people he called to send help to not follow..HE did ..He must now accept responsibilty..Kinda hard when you don't have much manhood in you.

MuyLocoNC · Apr 23, 2012

UncleBuck said:
the looking for an address thing comes right from his dad and brother's versions.

Agreed. If they are willing to testify that was his account. But it wouldn't be useful if it was simply them trying to help him out or speculating.

iPad keeps quoting wrong posts. This was a response to London.

doc111 · Apr 23, 2012

londonfog said:
Zimmerman gives gun owners/ccw a bad name. Owning a gun and being CCW means you have to carry yourself a whole different way. He should have never been able to get a gun if he had to take anger management classes. I'm sure some laws are about to change in Florida..Oh and Doc111 stop saying you are not defending Zimmerman, because every post you have made here does just that. Zimmerman was wrong and now a someone is dead.

No, I'm NOT defending Zimmerman. Yet another person telling me what I'm doing. :roll:

And I'll defend whomever I damn well please my friend! You stop defending Trayvon! See how that works? A lot of people are ready to convict a man with little to no evidence of a crime. Yes, a young kid is dead and it's tragic. I've said it more than once, but to act like it's all Zimmerman when none of you was there is idiotic! Sorry, that's my view and it's not going to change simply because YOU don't like it! ;-)

Stillbuzzin · Apr 23, 2012

UncleBuck said:
false.

there was plenty of public opinion about at the time they assigned the special prosecutor (ya know, because the old prosecutor had to step down because of a "conflict of interest", lol).

but they took a while longer to press charges. why?

because they did a more thorough review of the facts of the case. hence why it changed from manslaughter to murder 2.

you're really not that bright, are you?

Change you cant believe in

Stillbuzzin · Apr 23, 2012

UncleBuck said:
false.

there was plenty of public opinion about at the time they assigned the special prosecutor (ya know, because the old prosecutor had to step down because of a "conflict of interest", lol).

but they took a while longer to press charges. why?

because they did a more thorough review of the facts of the case. hence why it changed from manslaughter to murder 2.

you're really not that bright, are you?

one more time for you.

MuyLocoNC · Apr 23, 2012

londonfog said:
you missing a key fact that will be used. He was advised by the very people he called to send help to not follow..HE did ..He must now accept responsibilty..Kinda hard when you don't have much manhood in you.

I hate to do this but we're debating issues that don't matter again.

Is there a law in Florida against speaking to someone? No.
Is there a law in Forida against running after someone to speak to them? No.
Is there a law in Forida against asking someone their business? No.
Is there a law in Florida against running after someone to ask them their business? No.
Was Zimmerman recorded on a call or heard by Dee Dee asking Trayvon "what are you doing here" or something to that effect. I believe it was.
It's fair to say that Zimmerman did nothing illegal up to and including the moment he asked the question. That being the case, I'd say it definitely matters who threw the first punch and it definitely matters what happened after that. Everything that happened before the attack (whoever initiated the actual physical violence) was legal and while pertinent, won't have much bearing on the outcome.
As I've said from the start, if Zimmerman attacked Trayvon, he's screwed. If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, he walks or gets a slap on the wrist.

londonfog · Apr 23, 2012

doc111 said:
No, I'm NOT defending Zimmerman. Yet another person telling me what I'm doing. And I'll defend whomever I damn well please my friend! You stop defending Trayvon! See how that works? A lot of people are ready to convict a man with little to no evidence of a crime. Yes, a young kid is dead and it's tragic. I've said it more than once, but to act like it's all Zimmerman when none of you was there is idiotic! Sorry, that's my view and it's not going to change simply because YOU don't like it!

dude I'm telling you what you are doing, because thats what you are doing..I never said you could not defend him..only stop saying you not when clearly you are...and yes I will defend Trayvon. When is it a crime to go to the store??? as a father I hope that my son never would encounter this type of bullshit just going to the store..Zimmerman was wrong for following that boy and Zimmerbutt should have took his azz home to his wife instead of playing wannabe cop. Now you continue defending this piece of shit women beating, cop wannabe,unemployed loser..just stop saying you are not doing so.

londonfog · Apr 23, 2012

MuyLocoNC said:
I hate to do this but we're debating issues that don't matter again.

we shall see just how wrong or right I will be, but mark my words...being advise by the very people you called for help and ignoring that advice does not work in his benefit ...in fact it caused a death.

MuyLocoNC · Apr 23, 2012

londonfog said:
we shall see just how wrong or right I will be, but mark my words...being advise by the very people you called for help and ignoring that advice does not work in his benefit ...in fact it caused a death.

We know it "led" to series of events that ended in a death. The "cause" of the death may have been Zimmerman's inexcusable or even predetermined use of his firearm. Or it may have been an unjustified and illegal assault from behind by Trayvon. Which is where you have to start since Zimmerman enjoys the presumption of innocence at this point.

kelly4 · Apr 23, 2012

londonfog said:
we shall see just how wrong or right I will be, but mark my words...being advise by the very people you called for help and ignoring that advice does not work in his benefit ...in fact it caused a death.

He called a "dispatcher" to send a cop for help. He never talked to a cop. He talked to a "trained operator".

londonfog · Apr 23, 2012

kelly4 said:
He called a "dispatcher" to send a cop for help. He never talked to a cop. He talked to a "trained operator".

dude you call 911 for help..show me where I said he talked to a cop ..NEVER

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