trayvan martin

UncleBuck

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it's been fun playing hardy boys with this one.

hell, if an armchair detective like me can poke holes in zimmerman's story, imagine what lifelong prosecutors and detectives will do to it.

zimmboy gonna sit in jail for a long time.
 
UncleBuck

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MuyLocoNC said:
I'm going to try to be gentle here.

Your post really doesn't make sense, since Doc and myself are both suggesting we wait and see what happens and not try to guess the ending of this case.

You and a few others are the ones playing Hardy Boys and trying to solve this without all the evidence.

You're welcome to your opinion about the case but you're accusing us of doing exactly what you're doing. Like I said, your post makes no sense at all.
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i think samwell is confusing you and doc with cliffey and desert dude. you guys have been sitting on the fence, while cliffey and desert dude are certain of zimm's innocence. i have no problem saying that i personally feel assured that zimm is a cold blooded killer, his story is full of holes and there is no way that was his screaming for help.

i mean, the final yell for help is cutoff by the gunshot. that should tell you everything.
 
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UncleBuck said:
i think samwell is confusing you and doc with cliffey and desert dude. you guys have been sitting on the fence, while cliffey and desert dude are certain of zimm's innocence. i have no problem saying that i personally feel assured that zimm is a cold blooded killer, his story is full of holes and there is no way that was his screaming for help.

i mean, the final yell for help is cutoff by the gunshot. that should tell you everything.
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I am not saying he's innocent.
 
desert dude

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UncleBuck said:
i think samwell is confusing you and doc with cliffey and desert dude. you guys have been sitting on the fence, while cliffey and desert dude are certain of zimm's innocence. i have no problem saying that i personally feel assured that zimm is a cold blooded killer, his story is full of holes and there is no way that was his screaming for help.

i mean, the final yell for help is cutoff by the gunshot. that should tell you everything.
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Nah, I am not certain Zimmer is innocent. I just have seen nothing so far that looks like a conviction is likely. Every thing I have seen so far supports Zimmer's account of that night and a claim of self defense. Sort of like Alan Dershowitz's conclusions.
 
UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
Nah, I am not certain Zimmer is innocent. I just have seen nothing so far that looks like a conviction is likely. Every thing I have seen so far supports Zimmer's account of that night and a claim of self defense. Sort of like Alan Dershowitz's conclusions.
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how many times have you stated in this thread "zimmerman walks" in between rinsing out your mouth with dershowitz's smegma-ridden cock?
 
Harrekin

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desert dude said:
Nah, I am not certain Zimmer is innocent. I just have seen nothing so far that looks like a conviction is likely. Every thing I have seen so far supports Zimmer's account of that night and a claim of self defense. Sort of like Alan Dershowitz's conclusions.
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*Like* my good man.
 
Carne Seca

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UncleBuck said:
how many times have you stated in this thread "zimmerman walks" in between rinsing out your mouth with dershowitz's smegma-ridden cock?
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I laugh every time they amend their position on Zimmerman's innocence. The more we find out the more they change their position.
 
Harrekin

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I bet $10,000 that the "I told you so" thread from this thread is gonna be like the Troll Superbowl...I can't wait!
 
UncleBuck

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Carne Seca said:
I laugh every time they amend their position on Zimmerman's innocence. The more we find out the more they change their position.
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i love how they shirk away from answering why zimmerman was "looking for an address" where none existed in a neighborhood he lived in for 5 years and patrolled constantly.

i bet he took the route between the houses to try to cut off martin. zimm had a history of notifying the police that 'they always get away' through that back entrance that he mentioned in the 911 call and other previous calls. martin said he thought he lost zimm when he got to about the location of the murder and kept on talking to his girlfriend on the phone before going home, just as he was doing under that eave before fleeing zimmerman initially.
 
Carne Seca

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UncleBuck said:
i love how they shirk away from answering why zimmerman was "looking for an address" where none existed in a neighborhood he lived in for 5 years and patrolled constantly.

i bet he took the route between the houses to try to cut off martin. zimm had a history of notifying the police that 'they always get away' through that back entrance that he mentioned in the 911 call and other previous calls. martin said he thought he lost zimm when he got to about the location of the murder and kept on talking to his girlfriend on the phone before going home, just as he was doing under that eave before fleeing zimmerman initially.
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I was thinking the same. He cut off Trayvon's path to his house. Trayvon tried to circumvent him and Zimmerman instigated the confrontation. One of them decided to get physical. Zimmerman pulled out his gun and a struggle ensued. Trayvon was shot.
 
UncleBuck

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Carne Seca said:
I was thinking the same. He cut off Trayvon's path to his house. Trayvon tried to circumvent him and Zimmerman instigated the confrontation. One of them decided to get physical. Zimmerman pulled out his gun and a struggle ensued. Trayvon was shot.
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that would explain why the screams for help reeked of "i'm staring down the barrel of a gun and am going to die".

i'm thinking that when zimmerman says "i lost him" martin went off into about the site of the murder and stopped or dawdled around or just walked more slowly. the timeline says that about then, he got a second call from his girlfriend. he says "i think i lost him", and about a minute or two worth of nothing happens. that could be the time when zimmerman went back to his truck, down the roadway, and through the gap in the houses to try to prevent the supposed thief from getting to the back entrance.

then about 1 to 1 and a half minutes worth of arguing, running, fighting, and struggling occur, according to all the eyewitnesses. did martin try to run away a second time? according to dee dee, it was at that second meeting where martin asks "why are you following me?". zimmerman mentioned something about martin's hands in his waistband on the call, perhaps he had similar concerns at the second encounter (both are consistent with talking on your phone with a headset, which martin was doing) and pulled his gun.

perhaps a chase ensued with martin doubling back, away from the gap in the houses, and zimmerman high on adrenaline chasing him down (witnesses saw a chase). perhaps martin starts yelling at the guy for pursuing him (witnesses heard an argument). perhaps a struggle ensues in which martin tries to defend himself against a man chasing him with a gun. perhaps martin lands a few blows and zimmerman thinks that martin might get the gun and shoot him should he go unconscious from this scuffle in the grass (witnesses all saw the scuffle happen in the grass, police say they saw grass on zimm but their story is suspect).

about a half minute/minute into the chase/argument/scuffle, someone calls 911 and you hear the screams for help. they are constant and go on for 45 seconds. a final, agonizing scream for help is heard, and is cut off by the sound of a gunshot.

the fight was a minute to a minute and a half. about half of the fight was just someone screaming for help. i am willing to admit that it is possible that there was a struggle for the weapon that went on for a long time. such a scenario reeks of self defense because someone is trying to get your gun from you.

but that final shriek is the nail in the coffin. i believe that if a struggle for the weapon took place after george pulled it, george regained control of it. it's all but obvious in the final shriek. he could have kept him at gunpoint but probably lost it in the heat of the moment, as he is known to do.

one fact is for sure. zimmerman was cogent enough to have control of a weapon aimed at (likely) point blank range (according to unverified reports), that is enough leverage to back off any attacker.

zimmerman was seen mere seconds after the gunshot straddling the victim. he looked worried, but not injured, according to witnesses. he had a couple of lacerations on his head, but was pretty alert and far from having anything remotely near to life threatening injuries. we see this on the video taken 34 minutes later at the police station. shirt still tucked in, no blood on him if the police were competent. no ambulance called. mere flesh wounds.

don't get me started at this hour about the rest of the stinky details.
 
doc111

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Samwell Seed Well said:
reading tea leaves . . . .is that interesting? his history is a window into what he views as acceptable and not acceptable behavior . . . . right and wrong? is this hard for you are you actually confused at my premise! or are you just playing your game

people are people they are creatures of habit . . and repetition . . .in books and movies character development is part of plot and yadda yadda yadda . .. . . . .you wait to see the ending. . . . .. . .

this is real life martins action led to his end . . .and Z's action have also led to martins end and he is not a character ina book or movie he is a creature of habit . . .go ahead play devils advocate . . . . .lots of Zimmerman Jrs around to make you think twice about trusting the judgement of others . . . .lmfao and you claim to fear me . . .


dont get me wrong .. . .and its is easy(im not very soluble with others) so i take no offense... i agree being impartial is fine . .. . but only on punishment or verdict . . .. . . the facts and the suedo facts . .. .blah blah blah . . .one thing led to martins death Z's mental issues everything else is at the whim of his fantasy that he has to deal with the evil do-ers

the witch hunt for jail time is much less important then the message that your paranoia is not reason to act!

figure it out

nothing any of you bureaucratic people call justice matters to me . . . . laws can be bent broken and disregarded for all srts of reason . . . . . .Z's and his reason is at the heart of my issue with most of what all of you say . . . i just choose to side with the side that best represents my concern as that Z should be made to take responsibility for th direct and indirect actions that led to Martins death . . . . . . .martin may also be indirectly and directly responsible for what happened . . .. he is dead. . . .punishment and verdict dictated by the fool Z
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It appears to me that you and a few others in this thread are ready to convict Zimmerman. Without seeing all the evidence, I might add! I've been accused of defending Zimmerman (I'd really like someone to show me anywhere that I've said "Trayvon deserved it" or that "I think Zimmerman is innocent"; I've NEVER said either of these things). If waiting until we have all the evidence is "defending" Zimmerman him, then I suppose I'm guilty as charged. I have a REAL problem with people equating someone's past history with guilt. I tried playing Devil's advocate with another member earlier who didn't want to play. Let's see if you will play along. Let's say you live in a state without MMJ laws but you are a grower. Let's say you have been arrested or accused of cultivating cannabis in the past. Your neighbors/friends and the local police know this. Say a skunk crawls under your house and one of your "neighbors" decides to call the police to report the "suspicious odor" coming from your house. Now, the police show up to "investigate" this "suspicious odor". Should they get a warrant, or because you have a "history" of cultivation should they just snatch you up and take you into custody without due process? I mean, you have a "history" of cultivating cannabis. You're obviously guilty, right?
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Yes, I've said before, it's very possible y'all are correct about Zimmerman and perhaps he did stalk and kill that kid in cold blood. But it's also possible that the shit went down pretty much like he says it did, which is why we're even having a debate! Since it is possible, even IF it is an extraordinarily remote one, that he was attacked first and had to defend himself, then I will give him the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers. The only thing I've said that could really be construed as defending the guy is that I think there isn't enough evidence to convict him of murder 2, so I think he will either walk or get a slap on the wrist. If that's what you guys consider "defending" Zimmerman, then, YES! I suppose I'm guilty as charged.:confused:
 
doc111

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UncleBuck said:
that would explain why the screams for help reeked of "i'm staring down the barrel of a gun and am going to die".

i'm thinking that when zimmerman says "i lost him" martin went off into about the site of the murder and stopped or dawdled around or just walked more slowly. the timeline says that about then, he got a second call from his girlfriend. he says "i think i lost him", and about a minute or two worth of nothing happens. that could be the time when zimmerman went back to his truck, down the roadway, and through the gap in the houses to try to prevent the supposed thief from getting to the back entrance.

then about 1 to 1 and a half minutes worth of arguing, running, fighting, and struggling occur, according to all the eyewitnesses. did martin try to run away a second time? according to dee dee, it was at that second meeting where martin asks "why are you following me?". zimmerman mentioned something about martin's hands in his waistband on the call, perhaps he had similar concerns at the second encounter (both are consistent with talking on your phone with a headset, which martin was doing) and pulled his gun.

perhaps a chase ensued with martin doubling back, away from the gap in the houses, and zimmerman high on adrenaline chasing him down (witnesses saw a chase). perhaps martin starts yelling at the guy for pursuing him (witnesses heard an argument). perhaps a struggle ensues in which martin tries to defend himself against a man chasing him with a gun. perhaps martin lands a few blows and zimmerman thinks that martin might get the gun and shoot him should he go unconscious from this scuffle in the grass (witnesses all saw the scuffle happen in the grass, police say they saw grass on zimm but their story is suspect).

about a half minute/minute into the chase/argument/scuffle, someone calls 911 and you hear the screams for help. they are constant and go on for 45 seconds. a final, agonizing scream for help is heard, and is cut off by the sound of a gunshot.

the fight was a minute to a minute and a half. about half of the fight was just someone screaming for help. i am willing to admit that it is possible that there was a struggle for the weapon that went on for a long time. such a scenario reeks of self defense because someone is trying to get your gun from you.

but that final shriek is the nail in the coffin. i believe that if a struggle for the weapon took place after george pulled it, george regained control of it. it's all but obvious in the final shriek. he could have kept him at gunpoint but probably lost it in the heat of the moment, as he is known to do.

one fact is for sure. zimmerman was cogent enough to have control of a weapon aimed at (likely) point blank range (according to unverified reports), that is enough leverage to back off any attacker.

zimmerman was seen mere seconds after the gunshot straddling the victim. he looked worried, but not injured, according to witnesses. he had a couple of lacerations on his head, but was pretty alert and far from having anything remotely near to life threatening injuries. we see this on the video taken 34 minutes later at the police station. shirt still tucked in, no blood on him if the police were competent. no ambulance called. mere flesh wounds.

don't get me started at this hour about the rest of the stinky details.
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So a person has to have "life threatening" injuries before they are able to defend themselves? lmfao!!!!!!! What's wrong with this picture?:-?
 
Samwell Seed Well

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doc111 said:
So a person has to have "life threatening" injuries before they are able to defend themselves? lmfao!!!!!!! What's wrong with this picture?:-?
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hes not gonna go to jail for defensding himself . .. . . . .

he is going to jail because he choose to shoot someone in a situation he created . . . .you reallly are blinded by your sense of bureaucracy.

if you go looking for a fight . . .your intent upon beginning your search strips you of any self defense as you choose to engage the situation and are expected to be a responsible adult and part of those responsibilities is accepting that your action may lead to violence and harm to your self and others. .. . the after the fact it was self defense claiming and all the other stories that have come from him and his camp reek of trying to find a lawful excuse to what he knows he choose to do . . . .. .

the more he lies the longer he stays in . . . . .. be a man and support life dont take it . .. .
 
Stillbuzzin

Stillbuzzin

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Thats what is wrong ((Doc ) with most of this thread . It screams guilty until proven
innocent. Their are very few people on here that have met me. Yet I have been called a racist many times on this thread. Yet the funny thing is my wife an I are NOT the same nationality or color.
 
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