trayvan martin

londonfog

londonfog

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MuyLocoNC said:
We know it "led" to series of events that ended in a death. The "cause" of the death may have been Zimmerman's inexcusable or even predetermined use of his firearm. Or it may have been an unjustified and illegal assault from behind by Trayvon. Which is where you have to start since Zimmerman enjoys the presumption of innocence at this point.
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Now be honest ...Do you always take that stance in EVERY case???
 
doc111

doc111

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londonfog said:
dude I'm telling you what you are doing, because thats what you are doing..I never said you could not defend him..only stop saying you not when clearly you are...and yes I will defend Trayvon. When is it a crime to go to the store??? as a father I hope that my son never would encounter this type of bullshit just going to the store..Zimmerman was wrong for following that boy and Zimmerbutt should have took his azz home to his wife instead of playing wannabe cop. Now you continue defending this piece of shit women beating, cop wannabe,unemployed loser..just stop saying you are not doing so.
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Dude, I took shit for "defending" Casey Anthony too. And I despise that bitch! But there was little to ZERO hard evidence she did it. I predicted that she would walk. She walked. That's all I'm doing here is looking at this from a legal standpoint. If it were the other way around and Trayvon had shot Zimmerman, I would still say the same things. This has nothing to do with race (for me anyways), which is what I'm sure you're hinting at.:shock:
 
londonfog

londonfog

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doc111 said:
Dude, I took shit for "defending" Casey Anthony too. And I despise that bitch! But there was little to ZERO hard evidence she did it. I predicted that she would walk. She walked. That's all I'm doing here is looking at this from a legal standpoint. If it were the other way around and Trayvon had shot Zimmerman, I would still say the same things. This has nothing to do with race (for me anyways), which is what I'm sure you're hinting at.:shock:
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Hell no on the race thing Doc...I don't view it like that...I just wanted you to stop saying that you are not defending him when you are...thats all.
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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londonfog said:
Now be honest ...Do you always take that stance in EVERY case???
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I do in cases where the facts aren't known and the public is rushing to judgement. I don't like mob rule, I don't like the assumption of guilt and I really don't like the way the MSM has fanned the flames of hate.

Every case, no.

If there was video or evidence that immediately exposed him for a ruthless killer, I'd be the first calling for blood. In this particular case, I see a great deal of speculation and debate over facts that don't have much bearing on his guilt/innocence.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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MuyLocoNC said:
I do in cases where the facts aren't known and the public is rushing to judgement. I don't like mob rule, I don't like the assumption of guilt and I really don't like the way the MSM has fanned the flames of hate.

Every case, no.

If there was video or evidence that immediately exposed him for a ruthless killer, I'd be the first calling for blood. In this particular case, I see a great deal of speculation and debate over facts that don't have much bearing on his guilt/innocence.
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ok fair enough...I ignored this case at first, but once I started hearing and putting together pieces for myself my judgement is made..He should have never kept following Trayvon. Go back to the truck and wait for the real police. Now all those that keeps saying he was not following Trayvon is not being truthful IMHO
 
afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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I can't speculate as to the legality of this or that. What I can say is people's brain patterns don't just change. This man suffered from paranoia and anxiety. He felt victimized by break ins in the area, and was frustrated that local law enforcement wasn't being effective enough. He called the police regularly to report anything. OMG! Brown and white dog! OMG! A van. OMG! A car with no headlights...This was inevitable. That is what I can say with certainty, because facts are facts. He displayed classical symptoms of paranoia and heightened anxiety which came forth in his actions many many times.

The sad part is a superior within the Dept. should have contacted Mr. Zimmerman for a 5150.
 
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cliffey501

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afrawfraw said:
I can't speculate as to the legality of this or that. What I can say is people's brain patterns don't just change. This man suffered from paranoia and anxiety. He felt victimized by break ins in the area, and was frustrated that local law enforcement wasn't being effective enough. He called the police regularly to report anything. OMG! Brown and white dog! OMG! A van. OMG! A car with no headlights...This was inevitable. That is what I can say with certainty, because facts are facts. He displayed classical symptoms of paranoia and heightened anxiety which came forth in his actions many many times.

The sad part is a superior within the Dept. should have contacted Mr. Zimmerman for a 5150.
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Also classical symptoms of a neighborhood watchman.
 
doc111

doc111

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MuyLocoNC said:
I do in cases where the facts aren't known and the public is rushing to judgement. I don't like mob rule, I don't like the assumption of guilt and I really don't like the way the MSM has fanned the flames of hate.

Every case, no.

If there was video or evidence that immediately exposed him for a ruthless killer, I'd be the first calling for blood. In this particular case, I see a great deal of speculation and debate over facts that don't have much bearing on his guilt/innocence.
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Thank you!!!!!:clap:

This is pretty much all I've been trying to say. Evidently I've not been articulating well. :-(
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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afrawfraw said:
I can't speculate as to the legality of this or that. What I can say is people's brain patterns don't just change. This man suffered from paranoia and anxiety. He felt victimized by break ins in the area, and was frustrated that local law enforcement wasn't being effective enough. He called the police regularly to report anything. OMG! Brown and white dog! OMG! A van. OMG! A car with no headlights...This was inevitable. That is what I can say with certainty, because facts are facts. He displayed classical symptoms of paranoia and heightened anxiety which came forth in his actions many many times.

The sad part is a superior within the Dept. should have contacted Mr. Zimmerman for a 5150.
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Originally Posted by MuyLocoNC
I do in cases where the facts aren't known and the public is rushing to judgement. I don't like mob rule, I don't like the assumption of guilt and I really don't like the way the MSM has fanned the flames of hate.

Every case, no.

If there was video or evidence that immediately exposed him for a ruthless killer, I'd be the first calling for blood. In this particular case, I see a great deal of speculation and debate over facts that don't have much bearing on his guilt/innocence.

Originally Posted by Doc11


Thank you!!!!!


This is pretty much all I've been trying to say. Evidently I've not been articulating well.



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i bet you both like to GUESS the endings of books and movies too

this is reality . . .someone is dead . . its not hardy boy time . . . .. . . and Z's history was instantly available!
 
doc111

doc111

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Samwell Seed Well said:
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Originally Posted by MuyLocoNC
I do in cases where the facts aren't known and the public is rushing to judgement. I don't like mob rule, I don't like the assumption of guilt and I really don't like the way the MSM has fanned the flames of hate.

Every case, no.

If there was video or evidence that immediately exposed him for a ruthless killer, I'd be the first calling for blood. In this particular case, I see a great deal of speculation and debate over facts that don't have much bearing on his guilt/innocence.

Originally Posted by Doc11


Thank you!!!!!


This is pretty much all I've been trying to say. Evidently I've not been articulating well.



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i bet you both like to GUESS the endings of books and movies too

this is reality . . .someone is dead . . its not hardy boy time . . . .. . . and Z's history was instantly available!
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*Sigh*

Yeah, and I like to read tea leaves and visit psychics. So what? :roll:

So, because someone has a "history", it makes them atomatically guilty? Some of you guys on here really worry me.:-?
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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I bet you both like to GUESS the endings of books and movies too

this is reality . . .someone is dead . . its not hardy boy time . . . .. . . and Z's history was instantly available!
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I'm going to try to be gentle here.

Your post really doesn't make sense, since Doc and myself are both suggesting we wait and see what happens and not try to guess the ending of this case.

You and a few others are the ones playing Hardy Boys and trying to solve this without all the evidence.

You're welcome to your opinion about the case but you're accusing us of doing exactly what you're doing. Like I said, your post makes no sense at all.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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doc111 said:
*Sigh*

Yeah, and I like to read tea leaves and visit psychics. So what? :roll:

So, because someone has a "history", it makes them atomatically guilty? Some of you guys on here really worry me.:-?
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reading tea leaves . . . .is that interesting? his history is a window into what he views as acceptable and not acceptable behavior . . . . right and wrong? is this hard for you are you actually confused at my premise! or are you just playing your game

people are people they are creatures of habit . . and repetition . . .in books and movies character development is part of plot and yadda yadda yadda . .. . . . .you wait to see the ending. . . . .. . .

this is real life martins action led to his end . . .and Z's action have also led to martins end and he is not a character ina book or movie he is a creature of habit . . .go ahead play devils advocate . . . . .lots of Zimmerman Jrs around to make you think twice about trusting the judgement of others . . . .lmfao and you claim to fear me . . .


dont get me wrong .. . .and its is easy(im not very soluble with others) so i take no offense... i agree being impartial is fine . .. . but only on punishment or verdict . . .. . . the facts and the suedo facts . .. .blah blah blah . . .one thing led to martins death Z's mental issues everything else is at the whim of his fantasy that he has to deal with the evil do-ers

the witch hunt for jail time is much less important then the message that your paranoia is not reason to act!

figure it out

nothing any of you bureaucratic people call justice matters to me . . . . laws can be bent broken and disregarded for all srts of reason . . . . . .Z's and his reason is at the heart of my issue with most of what all of you say . . . i just choose to side with the side that best represents my concern as that Z should be made to take responsibility for th direct and indirect actions that led to Martins death . . . . . . .martin may also be indirectly and directly responsible for what happened . . .. he is dead. . . .punishment and verdict dictated by the fool Z
 
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