Farmer's Hat
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Organic for new growers, dont bother with bottles...
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Jjgrow420
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Lol ya love Rick and MortyHave you seen the Rick and Morty spin off? Its hilarious
pop22
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Does any one here know the actual difference between organic nutrients and so called salts based? Absolutely nothing! Soil life breaks down organic matter into the exact same "salts" organic fanatics warn you about! Ohhh but all those dangerous "chemicals" in it! yet NO ONE I've asked can name those so called dangerous chemicals! What about heavy metals? they're in soil, they're in organic nutrients, and organic nutrient companies have no way to minimize them. So it's long past time to bust this myth about organic being "better". And I grow organic! Why? Simplicity. You don't need a damn science lab, just mix your soil blend and add water. Even better I grow organic in auto pots.
And no, "organic" does not taste better or different. I've been proving this with blind taste tests for years. I've got $50 says no one can tell the difference!
Funkentelechy
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So are you gunna mail out samples, do you venmo the $50, how does that work?
Funkentelechy
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Just being a smart ass, trying to provide some levity to a thread that started out pretty rocky and hasn't really gotten better.
I grew up growing using organic/regenerative gardening principles, everyone I knew did it that way it was just how we did it. We didn't grow that way as a purity test or to be better than anyone, it's just the style of agriculture that we aligned with. But, I also firmly believe that everyone should grow the way that works for them.
I assume that most of the people here participate because they care about growing clean high quality weed. We differ on what that means and how you achieve that but I think it's pointless to try to make people feel bad about the method they choose to accomplish that goal.
That's the good thing about growing your own weed, you can grow it the way that you want it to be. And with communities like this we can find other people who also like to grow in similar ways and support each other by sharing knowledge that pertains to whatever style of growing you choose. Lets lift each other up and help everyone grow cleaner weed instead of trying to make people feel bad for making different choices than we would.
I grew up growing using organic/regenerative gardening principles, everyone I knew did it that way it was just how we did it. We didn't grow that way as a purity test or to be better than anyone, it's just the style of agriculture that we aligned with. But, I also firmly believe that everyone should grow the way that works for them.
I assume that most of the people here participate because they care about growing clean high quality weed. We differ on what that means and how you achieve that but I think it's pointless to try to make people feel bad about the method they choose to accomplish that goal.
That's the good thing about growing your own weed, you can grow it the way that you want it to be. And with communities like this we can find other people who also like to grow in similar ways and support each other by sharing knowledge that pertains to whatever style of growing you choose. Lets lift each other up and help everyone grow cleaner weed instead of trying to make people feel bad for making different choices than we would.
GenericEnigma
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I build homemade compost with local worms, insects, and bacteria, and input grass, produce, leaves, and alfalfa - all sourced from my own property. It powers my living soil by fostering a fungal-dominant medium.
It's very hostile to seedlings, so I also have a box of Miracle Grow.
It's very hostile to seedlings, so I also have a box of Miracle Grow.
pop22
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I wish I could! I have done so in person at various gatherings however.
pop22
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I agree with you about regenerative organics. However, the same " more is better and too much is just enough" thinking also thrives among organic growers, and that is the source of error prevalent in both salts based farming and organic. People need to stop thinking they can force feed plants, organic or not. I'm not criticizing organics, as I said, I grow mostly organic. It's not the source of nutrient that is at fault it's ignorance in the application of said nutrients. I'm against the spread of false information regarding either form of gardening and claiming one form or the other is better for any list of reasons is just perpetuation of myths. Science, not anecdotes, is the guide to growing that will get you the best of whatever you want to grow.
New growers don't need that information. Is just a quick easy way to grow a small home garden. To find the base recipe here in the forums is impossible. I'm just laying it out in simple diy terms. Doesn't take much to grow . Good recipe and some will. Problem is coming here is a sea of different information. Confusing for most.
I'll admit I'm a newbie to organics. Figuring out this base recipe as simple as it is actually took me a longtime vs finding it on day one in a forum about weed. Far from educated. Just getting the new grower started in the right direction. And slowly it multiples. Is freedom, is fun, is the best hobby imo...
Yeah gotta figure out how much you need to add. Seen good grows with those products. Is the happy frog the dry amendments? Or soil? Ocean forest will already be loaded with a few weeks of food.
Watched Mr canuk on YouTube, got respect for him. Enjoyed his videos. He has prob helped a lot of people. When I started using gaia green I used his recipe, wasn't the best smoke. Was ok. All it needed was the rock dust and a little gypsum imo...
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LegitOldNewb
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Haha, agreed. I’m also using autopots and am interested in your organic simplicity, where can I learn more? Any suggestions on a soil mix for autoflowers in a 6.6 gallon autopot? Ok to adding supplemental nutrients later in the grow if needed, but just want to use tap water in rez and not have to ph.
GemGrows24
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Yeah all organic means is that microbes and Mycorrhizae are breaking down the nutes overtime into a available salt form.
Jjgrow420
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Lmao. Really?
That about ties it up in a neat little package for me.
That guy is a joke. He's a rich kid who thinks he knows about weed (but doesn't know shit) and made videos for clicks and likes. He's a complete fraud and has no idea what he's doing, just following advice from guys who work at a grow shop, and started growing when weed was legal. Too funny.
Would love to see that in action. Have thought about the autopots as well. 6.6 gallon I would stick to amending/mixing 2 to 3 tblspns per gallon of either all purpose or power bloom or a mix of the 2 depends what stage your in. And a half tablespoon of rock dust per gallon and half tblspn gypsum. I might lower my gypsum amounts. I also see some people using 1 to 1 ratio, all purpose or power bloom and the same amount of rock dust. Up to you to figure out what's best..
I would ph. Many will argue as the soil will self ph. But I seen experiments where the ph plants uptook less heavy metals compared to the unphd plants.
MissinThe90’sStrains
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I’m curious what benefits the bonemeal gives at the very end, considering it takes months to break down.
You could ask nectar of the gods, I'm no scientist. Is a mimic of this product in dry form. Also backed up by other people I trust. So I share.
Nectar for the Gods Herculean Harvest - Liquid Bone Meal (0-6-0)
Hercules was known for his strength and power: a perfect name for a product that gives your plants just that. Herculean Harvest increases the availability of phosphorus to your plants and soil, producing a wide range of benefits to plant health, structure, and flavor, contributing to a vigorous soil food web and improving the accessibility of nutrients.
The active ingredient in bone meal, calcium phosphate, helps to carry all nutrients to the plant, except for nitrogen and potassium. Calcium is essential for supplying plant growth energy in order to sustain life and growth and promotes solid stems through stronger cell development. Calcium also increases the cation exchange capacity of soils, making nutrients more available to microbial activity and ultimately to the plant.
The addition of Herculean Harvest to any nutrient line will increase size, aroma, and flavor of the plants’ fruit. It also aids in washing salt from a potting soil or soilless medium and can be used as part of a soil flush solution.