In the Aftermath of Trump's election loss.

DIY-HP-LED

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What a ludicrous system. The counters have certified the auditors who are hoping the counter-auditors don't sue the sub-counter-reverse-lawyers who are trying to keep the certifiers from certifying the under-audit-certification certificate.
Or something just as idiotic.

You can't imagine how foolish this looks to people outside your country. Most democracies vote, and then the winner governs. The USA fights over every single step of the process. Not just this time, everything seems to end up decided by judges rather than legislators in the US.

The next election is in two years, yes? For senators and dog catchers and assistant crossing guards? So the dust won't be settled from this one before your "leaders" start telling you again how everyone else is a lying communist pedophile while claiming to be trying to unite the country.

I can't understand why worthwhile legislation never passes. /s
There is so much back-scratching and quid-pro-quo just to accomplish the most basic legislation like funding the government, (seriously-WTF??) that they never even get close to addressing anything that could actually improve the country.

From a distance it looks insane, from close up it looks equally wacko...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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From a distance it looks insane, from close up it looks equally wacko...
It's not a great solution for a normal country, but half the population is Hell bent on suicide, so the problem is not so much the system as the people, one person in particular right now.

"Men at some time are masters of their fates: The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings".
 

Fogdog

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What a ludicrous system. The counters have certified the auditors who are hoping the counter-auditors don't sue the sub-counter-reverse-lawyers who are trying to keep the certifiers from certifying the under-audit-certification certificate.
Or something just as idiotic.

You can't imagine how foolish this looks to people outside your country. Most democracies vote, and then the winner governs. The USA fights over every single step of the process. Not just this time, everything seems to end up decided by judges rather than legislators in the US.

The next election is in two years, yes? For senators and dog catchers and assistant crossing guards? So the dust won't be settled from this one before your "leaders" start telling you again how everyone else is a lying communist pedophile while claiming to be trying to unite the country.

I can't understand why worthwhile legislation never passes. /s
There is so much back-scratching and quid-pro-quo just to accomplish the most basic legislation like funding the government, (seriously-WTF??) that they never even get close to addressing anything that could actually improve the country.

Didn't Bismark say something about how messy governing was in Germany and more than a 100 years ago?

That said, yes, our elections system is extremely complex and arcane.

No apologies will be given.

Thanks for your attention.
 

hanimmal

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What a ludicrous system. The counters have certified the auditors who are hoping the counter-auditors don't sue the sub-counter-reverse-lawyers who are trying to keep the certifiers from certifying the under-audit-certification certificate.
Or something just as idiotic.

You can't imagine how foolish this looks to people outside your country. Most democracies vote, and then the winner governs. The USA fights over every single step of the process. Not just this time, everything seems to end up decided by judges rather than legislators in the US.

The next election is in two years, yes? For senators and dog catchers and assistant crossing guards? So the dust won't be settled from this one before your "leaders" start telling you again how everyone else is a lying communist pedophile while claiming to be trying to unite the country.

I can't understand why worthwhile legislation never passes. /s
There is so much back-scratching and quid-pro-quo just to accomplish the most basic legislation like funding the government, (seriously-WTF??) that they never even get close to addressing anything that could actually improve the country.

I dont understand every level of the certification process, outside of what it was this year it really never has come up during my lifetime.

But Trump is trying to do anything and everything he can to make it seem just like how you are describing it, I agree.

I also am ignorant of any other nation on earth ever dealing with a dictator so cleanly (voting them out in one term) as we just did, so it can't be all that bad.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I see the GSA caved because Michigan certified, but Donald probably won't allow access to agencies for obvious reasons, they would see what an utter fuck up he is and the disaster inside all of them. The DOJ transition will say a lot about whether Donald is going down, If Bill Barr meets with the new AG, Donald is fucked.
 

Fogdog

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I dont understand every level of the certification process, outside of what it was this year it really never has come up during my lifetime.

But Trump is trying to do anything and everything he can to make it seem just like how you are describing it, I agree.

I also am ignorant of any other nation on earth ever dealing with a dictator so cleanly (voting them out in one term) as we just did, so it can't be all that bad.
You make a good point. We stopped Trump. It's not over but it IS over. Trump is on his way out, clearing the way for the rule of law and majority rule to resume after a four year pause.

Let the mid-term election cycle begin. Democracy is fragile but the people in the US who support it are not.
 

Fogdog

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Yup, really. No apologies.

Did you not see the election results? 72 million people voted for Trump. We are in the middle of a decade long struggle. The mid-terms are just another election that will be hotly contested. I was there this summer, in Portland and they aren't going to go away without a fight. I prefer that we do it in the polls.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Dunno where you live, but globalization is probably having an effect, many western countries are facing social challenges related to trade, technology and business trends. There are Yellow vests in France, Trumpers in America, Brexit in the UK and rightwing movements rising all over the place. America has historical social issues, globalization, a domestic rightwing propaganda machine and a minority population to demonize and dehumanize. The result is polarization and the turmoil that precedes social change, there is great short term danger, but greater long term hope. Patriots apprehend the danger now, nobody has really been pushing back, that is about to change and the patriot side is smarter than them. They now have a cause, the constitution, it was and is being attacked, many people now have a clear purpose moving forward and the real problems are being identified and will be dealt with. This is no longer shits and giggles for society's assholes to have fun persecuting minorities, this bullshit is a serious fucking matter of national security now, not just a real and present danger, an existential threat.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Olbermann vs. Trump #30: GSA's Murphy Does Her Job, Transition Can Begin. Now: Jail Her For Contempt

At last, GSA Administrator Emily Murphy has done her GODDAMNED JOB and "ascertained" that the Biden Transition can begin.
 

Fogdog

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Dunno where you live, but globalization is probably having an effect, many western countries are facing social challenges related to trade, technology and business trends. There are Yellow vests in France, Trumpers in America, Brexit in the UK and rightwing movements rising all over the place. America has historical social issues, globalization, a domestic rightwing propaganda machine and a minority population to demonize and dehumanize. The result is polarization and the turmoil that precedes social change, there is great short term danger, but greater long term hope. Patriots apprehend the danger now, nobody has really been pushing back, that is about to change and the patriot side is smarter than them. They now have a cause, the constitution, it was and is being attacked, many people now have a clear purpose moving forward and the real problems are being identified and will be dealt with. This is no longer shits and giggles for society's assholes to have fun persecuting minorities, this bullshit is a serious fucking matter of national security now, not just a real and present danger, an existential threat.
Exactly.

We don't see this election as an end but a win in a longer struggle. The struggle for expanding civil rights to everybody, the struggle against ethno-nationalism and especially the struggle against right wing neo-fascists has been going on for more than fifty years. The mid-term elections in 2022 are probably the radical right's last best hope at taking over. They are going to be going at it hard from now until Nov. 2022. Their tools are voter suppression and Gerrymandering. To counter them, Democrats have voter enrollment drives and legal teams ready to respond to voter challenges. On the streets, we will see some confrontations as well. The radical right hasn't had much opposition until now. I can say for certain that in Portland, they have stirred up a very determined opposition. Probably elsewhere as well.

If the mid-terms that took place two years after Obama took office are any example, Republicans are likely to take back the House in 2022. Stopping them is our next goal. I can't say for certain that we will. I can say that it won't end after the mid terms are over regardless of the result. This is going to be a difficult decade.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Exactly.

We don't see this election as an end but a win in a longer struggle. The struggle for expanding civil rights to everybody, the struggle against ethno-nationalism and especially the struggle against right wing neo-fascists has been going on for more than fifty years. The mid-term elections in 2022 are probably the radical right's last best hope at taking over. They are going to be going at it hard from now until Nov. 2022. Their tools are voter suppression and Gerrymandering. To counter them, Democrats have voter enrollment drives and legal teams ready to respond to voter challenges. On the streets, we will see some confrontations as well. The radical right hasn't had much opposition until now. I can say for certain that in Portland, they have stirred up a very determined opposition. Probably elsewhere as well.

If the mid-terms that took place two years after Obama took office are any example, Republicans are likely to take back the House in 2022. Stopping them is our next goal. I can't say for certain that we will. I can say that it won't end after the mid terms are over regardless of the result. This is going to be a difficult decade.
They made their mistake when they attacked the constitution, it's a hard one to walk back from. They tried Jim Crow on white America too and are anti democratic and illiberal. If you thought the southern strategy caused a stamped in the south to the republicans, wait till you see the effects of the stamped of the entire fucking national security and military community to the democratic side. All the people with brains are against them, you are going to see the effects of those smarts in the future, they are just as pissed as you and now have the same purpose. Good people will protect and defend the constitution foggy, they've been deeply conditioned to it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Pork roast on the house hot seat tomorrow, they are threatening article 1 if she does not show. Congress wants answers and she has to show even though she signed, what did Trump say or threaten? She will have hard questions to answer and will be an example to others, Trump will probably fire her by tweet while she is testifying before the house.
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GSA Offers To Brief Lawmakers On Transition On November 30 | Ayman Mohyeldin | MSNBC

General Services Administration official Emily Murphy has not yet ascertained Joe Biden as the winner of the election, stalling the process of administering resources needed for a smooth transition. Rep Mike Quigley (D-IL), chair of the House Appropriations Subcommittee that oversees the GSA, comments on the situation.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Imagine the arrogance and cowardice, not showing for a debate, he can't stand the light of day without melting. Half the voters in Georgia are racist losers and most are proud of the fact that they are racist losers who believe obvious lies. They don't think they are suckers though, they figure they know what they are doing, getting the people they don't like, even at the cost of their own lives, freedom and livelihoods.

What any better example of our conditioned biases filtering our perception of reality and driving illogical rationalizations that pass as thought? The propaganda and disinformation reinforces this and builds upon the solid foundation of pre existing biases to radicalize them into, not just fools, but traitors and murders as well.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/18/guide-press-about-republican-whining/
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We are not off to a good start in the coverage of the Republican Party in the post-Trump era. Political pundits and reporters, especially those in the permanently aggrieved right-wing media, have seen fit to discuss at length Jill Biden’s use of her earned doctorate in her title. As is often the case, all they have done is give oxygen to a baseless spasm of misogyny.

Social media spent all of Thursday dwelling on Sen. Marco Rubio’s whining about a single expletive. The Florida Republican, who made penis size an issue during the 2016 campaign, and has virtually never taken issue with his party leader’s racist, misogynistic and insulting language, feigned upset about the use of the f-word by Jen O’Malley Dillon, whom President-elect Joe Biden has said will be his deputy chief of staff, in a Glamour magazine interview. Adding more fuel to the nonstory, Axios breathlessly reported that an unnamed Biden donor criticized her under a click-inducing headline that she was “under fire.”

Then, Politico’s Blake Hounshell falsely tweeted that Dillon had apologized, citing his own publication’s story that quoted her as merely stating she could have “chosen better” in her use of language. Not a single Biden staffer whom I have spoken with thinks this is anything but excessive media indulgence of Republican hypocrisy. (The feigned outrage is about as ludicrous as Republicans complaining about a nominee’s partisan tweets; yet that, too, was reported as a legitimate objection.)

It is time to stop giving air to Republicans’ phony outrage and to hold them accountable for their own language and conduct on race and gender.

First, as a general rule, when Republicans say they are upset or outraged, they almost never are. They do not care about foul language (after four years of President Trump), or about deficits (after four years of Republican government), or comity in the Senate (after more than four years being led by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky). The media should stop taking seriously politicians’ harping, especially from those who have lied about the election, about Trump’s record, about Trump’s own words and about their knowledge of Trump’s words.

Second, it is no coincidence that the Republican or right-wing columnists who complain about Democratic women are almost always men. No one could have watched four years of Trump’s attacks on women’s intelligence and appearance — or his demeaning language (eg., “suburban housewives,” “nasty,” "monster”) — without understanding that the strain of misogyny runs a mile wide in the GOP. (And, no, electing some women to the House does not absolve Republicans. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) is the prime example illustrating that one can be solicitous toward some women and still be abusive toward others.) Before running to the keyboard with a complaint about a woman in the Biden administration, critics should consider whether doing so would further confirm the double standard against women in politics that Republicans have so willingly deployed.

Third, throughout the last four years, the media seemed to gloss over the appalling lack of diversity in Republican ranks. It would behoove reporters to start asking Republicans why they overwhelmingly favor White men in key roles. Not a single African American was appointed to a federal court of appeals under Trump. There was only one African American Cabinet secretary in the four years of the administration — none as secretary of state, defense secretary, treasury secretary or attorney general. There were virtually no African Americans in senior White House staff positions (unless you count Omarosa Manigault Newman as “senior”). No woman held any of the top four Cabinet posts in the current administration.

The media have sadly come to expect an utter lack of diversity in Republican administrations. They, therefore, rarely if ever confront them about their party’s horrid record on diversity. It might be time to hold Republicans accountable for their staffing of the executive branch. (Congress is no better: There is no Republican woman of color in the Senate.
There is no Black Republican woman in the House.)

In short, the media routinely give far too much credence to Republicans’ complaints and far too much latitude in their rhetoric about race and gender. Rather than taking faux complaints seriously, the media would do well to start holding Republicans’ feet to the fire on the appalling lack of diversity and the toleration of the racism and misogyny that is endemic in their party.
 
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