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[UncleBuck]

i am black btw

no you arent

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Hamas hides behind the innocent as well. What's your point? They can be misguided also, such as by social pressures.

White nationalist terrorist are the biggest problem by far in the USA, they are all Trumpers

 

[TrippleDip]

We need to get to where everyone is able to take advantage of all the hard work it took to get us to where we are at

Yes, and I think it will take generations and doesn't need to involve working outside the system (those cops were going to jail anyways, everybody can see how they did wrong, a city can vote to remove a statue, city hall meetings are for the public) or starting over. We can build a better society together through gradual progression and not the tearing down of others.

Right, but that is the issue that needs to get overcome. We kept the majority of the minorities in small pockets until far too recently for our cities to be able to achieve high enough economic status to get a home in traditionally white only areas. So these communities have been held out of a lot of the generational wealth that our country build up post ww2 until very recently.

The systemic racism is the fact that we have a 'inner-city' in the first place.

The solution can't be to abolish the suburbs. Meritocracy will gradually allow the best of everyone to the top regardless of race. There is no easy solution to the inner city problem, but I think change has to come from within, black people need to work with the police to clean up their neighbourhoods (as do muslims, chinese, etc)

I will admit bias because this is what I see with my eyes, how black america is hurting black america. How policies like affirmative action work against us in terms of social acceptability and self respect, anything other than a financial or numbers game but it is hard to quantify let alone say this exists.

It is mostly a problem when you get a bunch of drunk/crackhead racist and that one special idiot in the group takes it too far.

There will always be idiots unfortunately, and they should pay dearly for actions that they commit. I think the direction we are going in terms of the social acceptability of that type of joking behaviour in the first place will further reduce that sort of thing.

Irish as far as I know never were unable to vote, and were able to blend into the 'American' population inside of a generation.

I was referring globally, such as their caste system with the lower caste being sold off as slaves in britain. As well as the thoroughly documented practice of vikings taking slaves of which 30%ish were celtic.

I agree wholeheartedly about the natives and it's a shame. I think they should be more integrated with our society, the reservations are a drive to go nowhere in life and remain isolated as a culture.

And the 'japs' thing is pretty shitty thing to say.

I didn't mean it as a slur, just a contraction. Tbh. i have never heard it used as a slur. I hope you wouldn't get offended if I called you a burger. It's just using words that both parties knows except burger is kindof a slur, maybe you can call me a hoser and get over it lol

 

[TrippleDip]

no you arent

Wanna see my dick?

 

[TrippleDip]

The other nitpick is that laws have been made by Wealthy White Heterosexual Male only agenda for so long that have used stereotypes to paint anything not in their agenda as some sort of '-ism', that the system itself has not been allowed to fix the imbalances in our society.

I'll assume you are talking about drug laws and I sortof agree. Many charged with minor offences took plea deals to get off of larger shit, but many are basically innocent too. Also homophobia and the like. Laws can be changed and they are slowly. Look at legalization and lgbbtt2qs+ rights.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Wanna see my dick?

You collect black dick pics?

 

[TrippleDip]

The solution can't be to abolish the suburbs. Meritocracy will gradually allow the best of everyone to the top regardless of race. There is no easy solution to the inner city problem, but I think change has to come from within, black people need to work with the police to clean up their neighbourhoods (as do muslims, chinese, etc)

Yes I'm replying to myself. Just to add that I think the cities have the potential to be nicer than the suburbs and even gated communities once you start looking at convenience and closeness to attractions and city life itself. Just need to get rid of the crime, crime reduces prosperity and is the reason they can't have nice things.

 

[TrippleDip]

You collect black dick pics?

Walked right into that one...

 

[TrippleDip]

how many millions of people do you think live within an area of a couple blocks in seattle, retard?

Wikipedia tells me there are 9000 people in 8 blocks, so not a bad estimate.

 

[hanimmal]

Yes, and I think it will take generations and doesn't need to involve working outside the system (those cops were going to jail anyways, everybody can see how they did wrong, a city can vote to remove a statue, city hall meetings are for the public) or starting over. We can build a better society together through gradual progression and not the tearing down of others.

Those statues should have been taken down long ago and a lot never put up on the tax payer's dime.

Unfortunately lawmakers have dragged their feet for too long in many cases. Also most are being taken down lawfully.

The solution can't be to abolish the suburbs. Meritocracy will gradually allow the best of everyone to the top regardless of race. There is no easy solution to the inner city problem, but I think change has to come from within, black people need to work with the police to clean up their neighbourhoods (as do muslims, chinese, etc)

I will admit bias because this is what I see with my eyes, how black america is hurting black america. How policies like affirmative action work against us in terms of social acceptability and self respect, anything other than a financial or numbers game but it is hard to quantify let alone say this exists.

Who said anything about abolishing suburbs. What a stupid thing to say.

You should look further and understand how 'black America' was kept out economic and education if this is something you care about. I didn't ask earlier, but are you an American? And if so did you grow up/live in city/suburbs/rural area?

Because something is missing with what you are seeing if you think that somehow not allowing racists to not hire black people or other minority groups is beneficial in any way.

There will always be idiots unfortunately, and they should pay dearly for actions that they commit. I think the direction we are going in terms of the social acceptability of that type of joking behaviour in the first place will further reduce that sort of thing.

I am not sure pinning a black guy against a tree because your out of your mind racist and asking for a rope is joking behavior.

I was referring globally, such as their caste system with the lower caste being sold off as slaves in britain. As well as the thoroughly documented practice of vikings taking slaves of which 30%ish were celtic.

I agree wholeheartedly about the natives and it's a shame. I think they should be more integrated with our society, the reservations are a drive to go nowhere in life and remain isolated as a culture.

Hard to blame them from wanting to rub elbows with people that were still murdering their men and raping their women. I know people like to pretend this shit doesn't still happen, but that is so rosy of a view that is not reflective of actual reality.

And once people are victim of violence it leaves scars and trauma that is not able to be fixed in that persons lifetime. We are learning a lot about how humans environments have lasting impacts. Ignoring or expecting people to just suck it up isn't really an option.

I didn't mean it as a slur, just a contraction. Tbh. i have never heard it used as a slur. I hope you wouldn't get offended if I called you a burger. It's just using words that both parties knows except burger is kindof a slur, maybe you can call me a hoser and get over it lol

Yeah it is a slur.

I'll assume you are talking about drug laws and I sortof agree. Many charged with minor offences took plea deals to get off of larger shit, but many are basically innocent too. Also homophobia and the like. Laws can be changed and they are slowly. Look at legalization and lgbbtt2qs+ rights.

Also petty theft and vandalism as kids is a big one too. It is a lot easier to get caught being a stupid kid when there are 2200 cops in a 150 square mile area vs 160 or so cops in a 600 square mile area a few counties away (Detroit vs Livingston County in Michigan). Want to take a guess at the number of schools in Detroit vs the number in that other county?

Racism in our society is real and it has had drastic effects in our minority communities, even if you didn't experience it.

 

[hanimmal]

Yes I'm replying to myself. Just to add that I think the cities have the potential to be nicer than the suburbs and even gated communities once you start looking at convenience and closeness to attractions and city life itself. Just need to get rid of the crime, crime reduces prosperity and is the reason they can't have nice things.

I would also point out that poverty stops people from having nice things too.

Removing the tax base from these cities due to white flight and filling them with black people fleeing the southern violence against them, then pulling out the rug from under them by moving all the jobs to the suburbs devastated Detroit and many other cities.

If you pulled your head out of your ass on this issue and realized that if you looked at stats of trailer parks (no not the mobile home park, but that trailer park you know you are thinking of (assuming American) violence across the country I am sure it would be very similar to cities statistics (although cities are still more policed).

 

[Fogdog]

There should be <sarcasm> and <hyperbole> tags on the internet similar to quote marks they'd get used so often.

Realize that half of what I say is in jest (at the replyee) or is hyperbolic. I assume your posts are as well because you say some extreme shit sometimes. I imagine we are both closer to center/hold fairly common and moderate views than we expect.

horse shit.

"But i was just kidding" is what children say.

 

[TrippleDip]

You should look further and understand how 'black America' was kept out economic and education if this is something you care about. I didn't ask earlier, but are you an American? And if so did you grow up/live in city/suburbs/rural area?

Because something is missing with what you are seeing if you think that somehow not allowing racists to not hire black people or other minority groups is beneficial in any way.

In my opinion I think black america keeps itself out of education. Specifically in new york and other places with no child left behind policies. It makes unruly children realize they can do whatever and graduate barely literate and unable to multiply numbers greater than 11 thinking they are the greatest. Don't even get me started on streaming. It prevents children who would succeed from succeeding. This is not even touching on the aversion to speaking proper english, which by now is culturally engrained and I don't see making patwa a national language will help.

This also ties into the abolish the suburbs comment. You're right it was not serious, but there is a bigger issue with things like whole word pronunciation vs phonics. The vast majority will progress faster with phonics but it has been abolished in the name of inclusiveness. This is millions of children getting a substandard education because of muh feels. People can learn differently and that is OK, we need to treat people as individuals and work with what is best for them instead of dragging everybody else down.

No, I am canadian, but I have two american grandparents and a lot of american family in new york and the midwest. And yes I went to an elementary with one other black kid, spent a lot of time on farms. I have also lived in the city where there was a shooting out back at least every week. Once two kids got gunned down in front of us, we didn't talk to the cops, something I regret.

I get off comments like oreo from kids in 'the hood' all the time. They expect you to share with them expecting nothing. There are a lot that work hard and escape but it's hard when your friends are collecting welfare and dealing drugs while hanging out all day.

And once people are victim of violence it leaves scars and trauma that is not able to be fixed in that persons lifetime. We are learning a lot about how humans environments have lasting impacts. Ignoring or expecting people to just suck it up isn't really an option.

Sure it is. Generational change is how they will improve. By investing in our system they can be equals and have a greater say in the country / their community. They can promote and spread their culture, and we will all be better for it. Isolation didn't work out well for Tibet.

Yeah it is a slur.

Sez who?

It is a lot easier to get caught being a stupid kid when there are 2200 cops in a 150 square mile area vs 160 or so cops in a 600 square mile area a few counties away

Yeah, it's hard to ignore that one and saying "just don't break the law" kind of does suck for everyone involved. Look at where we are ffs. We need less laws not laws applied selectively.

If you pulled your head out of your ass on this issue and realized that if you looked at stats of trailer parks

I don't remember any trailer parks where 100+ people are shot each week (chicago). That's twice the number of unarmed people killed by the police each year. If there was no crime there would be less need for police, and if the black community put it's criminals in jail and cooperated with the police then there would be less need for police.

 

[TrippleDip]

am not sure pinning a black guy against a tree because your out of your mind racist and asking for a rope is joking behavior.

I just wanted to clarify that I meant the more normal friends joking enabled / supported / promoted the psychos behaviour which got out of control due to drugs. Not that the psycho guy was joking in any way.

 

[TrippleDip]

horse shit.

"But i was just kidding" is what children say.

Sarcasm and hyperbole are rhetorical devices used to make a point, not backtracking. Nice try though.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

horse shit.

"But i was just kidding" is what children say.

See he's Canadian, but he's having so much fun getting the shit kicked out of himself, he's all yours!

 

[Fogdog]

Sarcasm and hyperbole are rhetorical devices used to make a point, not backtracking. Nice try though.

Stop lying dude. It's a Republican thing, I get it but it's still just a lie. You got caught and so you lied again by "hyperbole and rhetorical" bs.

Racism exists. Your argument that everybody has a chance at the good life is false because of racism and so you must deny it exists in order do keep up the other lie. They are layered on top of each other. Lies like that, the baldfaced ones we all know to be false is part of a game played by those who hold power to keep power. You basically said "fuck you" to everybody who knows you are lying. Sarcasm and hyperbole don't belong in conversations where peoples lives are wasted, squandered, suppressed and taken by racists.

So it's all just horse shit, man.

 

[hanimmal]

In my opinion

Nothing good ever follows these words generally.

I think black america keeps itself out of education. Specifically in new york and other places with no child left behind policies. It makes unruly children realize they can do whatever and graduate barely literate and unable to multiply numbers greater than 11 thinking they are the greatest. Don't even get me started on streaming. It prevents children who would succeed from succeeding. This is not even touching on the aversion to speaking proper english, which by now is culturally engrained and I don't see making patwa a national language will help.

This really is just all a fucked up opinion on how you think schools and kids in them operate.

This also ties into the abolish the suburbs comment. You're right it was not serious, but there is a bigger issue with things like whole word pronunciation vs phonics. The vast majority will progress faster with phonics but it has been abolished in the name of inclusiveness. This is millions of children getting a substandard education because of muh feels. People can learn differently and that is OK, we need to treat people as individuals and work with what is best for them instead of dragging everybody else down.

Does the point that to have these regional speech patterns is more a point of being in a isolated group of people so that you end up speaking and understanding each other is more an issue with how we have isolated these populations? Do you think it is a genetic thing?

Do you also think people in Boston are getting a substandard education because they talk weird, how about the south?

So your prescription to fixing this is to just continue to segregate the black population in our cities?

The problem with your train of thought is that it is just wrong. And has been proven to be for generations now. We need to support these communities and help their children achieve as much as they can without roadblocks like overcrowding their classes, treating them like criminals their entire lives, not getting the ones with extra needs the help they need, overcoming the hunger that causes kids to not be able to concentrate and lash out while in class, on and on.

No, I am canadian, but I have two american grandparents and a lot of american family in new york and the midwest. And yes I went to an elementary with one other black kid, spent a lot of time on farms. I have also lived in the city where there was a shooting out back at least every week. Once two kids got gunned down in front of us, we didn't talk to the cops, something I regret.

I take it you were already fully formed adult when you lived in the city and might have had all those white peoples beliefs rattling around your head when you lived in the city? I am sure if you moved into the shitty trailer park in the town you were at as a kid you would become accustomed to all sorts of violent acts too.

I get off comments like oreo from kids in 'the hood' all the time. They expect you to share with them expecting nothing. There are a lot that work hard and escape but it's hard when your friends are collecting welfare and dealing drugs while hanging out all day.

Humans seem to like to highlight the differences in other people. I think it is a defense mechanism, but I am not a psychologist. Thinking that it is not about the same percentages of white people who grew up in poverty that end up on 'welfare and dealing drugs' is just racist logic.

It is far easier for white kids to escape their parents shadow and blend in with white society, but it is still far easy to fall into the trap having those parents lack of parenting skills regardless of skin color. We are still dealing with the white people's forced segregation of minorities education and chronic underfunding.

It is much easier to help your kid gain the tools needed to succeed in college and life if you have went to college.

Sure it is. Generational change is how they will improve. By investing in our system they can be equals and have a greater say in the country / their community. They can promote and spread their culture, and we will all be better for it. Isolation didn't work out well for Tibet.

Sounds good, so you are saying that by investing in these communities is no longer 'stealing' from other people?

Sez who?

My racist grandpa, often.

Yeah, it's hard to ignore that one and saying "just don't break the law" kind of does suck for everyone involved. Look at where we are ffs. We need less laws not laws applied selectively.

Agreed. It is the same with education in reverse. Detroit schools have 102 schools for 52,000 students. Livingston County schools have over 80 schools for almost 15,000 kids. We vastly underfund the education of our cities children while completely over policing them. It is a problem with the systemic racism that has ruled our nation for a very long time, at least until recently when the Democratic party was forced to change.

I don't remember any trailer parks where 100+ people are shot each week (chicago). That's twice the number of unarmed people killed by the police each year. If there was no crime there would be less need for police, and if the black community put it's criminals in jail and cooperated with the police then there would be less need for police.

How many trailer parks do you think it would take to add up to 700,000 people? How do you think that might change the statistics?

I just wanted to clarify that I meant the more normal friends joking enabled / supported / promoted the psychos behaviour which got out of control due to drugs. Not that the psycho guy was joking in any way.

Yeah, I figured, but wanted to let you clarify. That is a lot of the problem I see with the online attack on our nation Russia is conducting. They use all the little enabling to let racism become more and more overt by trolling everyone with racist shit online.

Enough directed stimulus over a long enough timeframe and people will start to feel all sorts of shit they didn't realize was going on.

 

[TrippleDip]

This really is just all a fucked up opinion on how you think schools and kids in them operate.

It is truth. It has been 20 years of no child left behind with endlessly falling test scores. In my age if you were violent and disruptive you would be expelled (segregated from those you are harming, preventing from learning), but this doesn't happen anymore. This causes disruptions in class - a ten minute disruption in each class each day results in a full year of missed studies.

In streaming your already short teachers are forced to concentrate on teaching the basics the weakest students and to let the smarter ones try to get through the coursework on their own. This holds many people back for the benefit of only a few. Worse it dumbs down the curriculum to the lowest common denominator. Students are then bored, disengaged and more likely to drop out.

the point that to have these regional speech patterns is more a point of being in a isolated group of people so that you end up speaking and understanding each other is more an issue with how we have isolated these populations?

No, clearly anyone can learn english. If they want to be segregated, that's on them.

Do you also think people in Boston are getting a substandard education because they talk weird, how about the south

What I mean is that I would never hire someone who doesn't know the difference between their they're and there. If you want to integrate, learning english must be important and not 'acting white'

It is much easier to help your kid gain the tools needed to succeed in college and life if you have went to college

It's called MULTI generational change for a reason.

Detroit schools have 102 schools for 52,000 students. Livingston County schools have over 80 schools for almost 15,000 kids

Want to talk about the exodus of teachers from nyc because they are handcuffed in terms of dealing with their classes and unruly students. Noone wants to teach in an inner city neighbourhood and it's not the danger or low wage, it's the fact their hands are tied and they cannot do what they became a teacher for - to help people improve and learn.

Sounds good, so you are saying that by investing in these communities is no longer 'stealing' from other people?

Investing in the communities is the number one way to help their culture and peoples survive and flourish, with dignity, as equals, and to give them a future in our society. If natives don't integrate they will go the way of Tibet and it will be their own fault.

Sorry break, bbl

 

[stalebiscuit]

i find the easy way not to be attacked on twitter or facebook is to not have an account with either