Christy Smith loses CA-25 special election

[Fogdog]

You're right, and the Democratic controlled house still included a bailout for corporate lobbyists

In a symbolic bill that has no chance of passing, Democrats still don't actually fight for working class people

Bernie would have voted for it.

 

[hanimmal]

You're right, and the Democratic controlled house still included a bailout for corporate lobbyists

In a symbolic bill that has no chance of passing, Democrats still don't actually fight for working class people

Typical how you continue your lies and don't even address you saying that repealing a tax cut that benefitted the wealthy is not a boost to their donors.

Your continued attacks on the Democrats show that not only are you just a right wing tool, but also your willingness to lie to get your Dear Leader re-elected.



Basically describes your behavior to a t.

 

[Rob Roy]

Bernie lost by supporting M4A, Biden won by supporting improving the ACA. And letting people choose Medicare if they want it.

I thought Bernie loses because the Democrat power structure decided he wasn't going to follow their plans and wasn't adequately vetted ?
Not that I'm a fan of Bernie, I'm not, he's an imbecile, but he was pretty well cucked by the Democrat power structure wasn't he ?

Biden won because he's useful to the continuation of the warfare / welfare fiat money thing and can be replaced easily if / when they need to.

His Vice President selection will be a much younger than him socialist / fascist woman who drinks baby blood and has sworn allegiance to the dark side, who will protect government and destroy freedoms to the nodding approval of the mentally challenged Democrat sheep. She will be a useful puppet and aid in the final dissolution of common sense. She will be "against guns", but of course have a well armed contingent of security surrounding her when she makes speeches from inside a bullet proof bubble. Freedom!!

 

[hanimmal]

I thought Bernie loses because the Democrat power structure decided he wasn't going to follow their plans and wasn't adequately vetted ?
Not that I'm a fan of Bernie, I'm not, he's an imbecile, but he was pretty well cucked by the Democrat power structure wasn't he ?

Biden won because he's useful to the continuation of the warfare / welfare fiat money thing and can be replaced easily if / when they need to.

His Vice President selection will be a much younger than him socialist / fascist woman who drinks baby blood and has sworn allegiance to the dark side, who will protect government and destroy freedoms to the nodding approval of the mentally challenged Democrat sheep. She will be a useful puppet and aid in the final dissolution of common sense. She will be "against guns", but of course have a well armed contingent of security surrounding her when she makes speeches from inside a bullet proof bubble. Freedom!!

'fiat' is codeword for conspiracy theories that really at the end of the day just benefit the wealthy the most. Once I see it I know it's time to stop reading.

 

[Rob Roy]

'fiat' is codeword for conspiracy theories that really at the end of the day just benefit the wealthy the most. Once I see it I know it's time to stop reading.

Oh, please forgive me. Lol.

I thought "fiat currency" was simply a government or government ally based currency which gains value not from being backed by anything of value, rather it is backed by the dictates of said government.

 

[Herb & Suds]

I remember when a progressive won CA-25, she supported universal healthcare. Then Smith came along, opposed it, and competed against a Trump lackey and lost. When you view it through a corporatist lense, it's clear why Democratic leadership made Hill step down, even if it means losing the seat to a Republican.

I'm sure low turnout at a special election had nothing to do with it? Or the national feeling that Bernie and his followers are dangerous

 

[hanimmal]

Oh, please forgive me. Lol.

I thought "fiat currency" was simply a government or government ally based currency which gains value not from being backed by anything of value, rather it is backed by the dictates of said government.

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I forgive you for using the douche-e-est way to say money ever.

 

[Rob Roy]

I forgive you for using the douche-e-est way to say money ever.

Except debt notes aren't money, in the sense they have intrinsic value based backing. They have faith based value, which is not a good form of collateralizing a currency or an honest currency either.

I forgive you for saying "money" when you really mean "fiat money".

 

[hanimmal]

Except debt notes aren't money, in the sense they have intrinsic value based backing. They have faith based value, which is not a good form of collateralizing a currency or an honest currency either.

I forgive you for saying "money" when you really mean "fiat money".

Nope, I mean money:


Just saying something doesn't make it true.

In any definition of money, the one dollar bill counts as it.

It is an exchange of value pure and simple, the fact that it can fluctuate in purchasing power does nothing to change that.

 

[Rob Roy]

Nope, I mean money:
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Just saying something doesn't make it true.

In any definition of money, the one dollar bill counts as it.

It is an exchange of value pure and simple, the fact that it can fluctuate in purchasing power does nothing to change that.

Except my point, isn't refuted by what you said. I'm saying some "money", fiat money, is attached to, or "backed by" faith and imaginary unicorns.

Other historical forms of money is/were attached to something of value. The fact that fiat money can be exchanged for tangible goods and services isn't proof that fiat money is anything other than faith based currency. It's more proof of the power of deceptive mass illusion.

I agree, just saying something won't make it true, but if you can fool enough people to accept inflationary fiat "money" as a standard, you're probably not interested in truth.

 

[UncleBuck]

Except debt notes aren't money, in the sense they have intrinsic value based backing. They have faith based value, which is not a good form of collateralizing a currency or an honest currency either.

I forgive you for saying "money" when you really mean "fiat money".

I’m getting tens of thousands of dollars in debt notes

How many are you getting and why?

 

[Rob Roy]

I’m getting tens of thousands of dollars in debt notes

How many are you getting and why?

Why do you hate old people on fixed incomes so much? When you accept "newly created debt expanded money" (my term) what happens to the value of the savings of Granny and Grampy ?

I'm not getting any, I'm growing turnips because I don't hate old people and poor people like you do, Mr. Selfish Minion of the Warfare State Gun Lover Guy.

 

[UncleBuck]

Why do you hate old people on fixed incomes so much? When you accept "newly created debt expanded money" (my term) what happens to the value of the savings of Granny and Grampy ?

I'm not getting any, I'm growing turnips because I don't hate old people and poor people like you do, Mr. Selfish Minion of the Warfare State Gun Lover Guy.

You don’t get anything because welfare sponges on food stamps aren’t eligible

 

[Rob Roy]

You don’t get anything because welfare sponges on food stamps aren’t eligible

 

[UncleBuck]

Reported as unrelated spam

 

[Rob Roy]

Reported as unrelated spam

Waaaah!

 

[hanimmal]

Except my point, isn't refuted by what you said. I'm saying some "money", fiat money, is attached to, or "backed by" faith and imaginary unicorns.

Other historical forms of money is/were attached to something of value. The fact that fiat money can be exchanged for tangible goods and services isn't proof that fiat money is anything other than faith based currency. It's more proof of the power of deceptive mass illusion.

I agree, just saying something won't make it true, but if you can fool enough people to accept inflationary fiat "money" as a standard, you're probably not interested in truth.

My point is what you said is nonsense voodoo shit that is drummed up by the right wing propaganda to keep the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda alive and strong.

Money at any level is bullshit if you want to get all meta about it. Depending on the situation anything can be ultimately shown to be worthless. Dollars have value because people exchange their time and labor for them, which they can then turn around and exchange for other goods and services. That is money. Your point is nonsense.

 

[Rob Roy]

Dollars have value because people exchange their time and labor for them, which they can then turn around and exchange for other goods and services.

You're getting closer, except for the part you willfully or ignorantly omit.

The U.S. dollar or any other fiat currency isn't a note that is given to people with any kind of redeemable thing, like a valuable good, backing it from the source. The fact you can pass it on to other fools and get things doesn't answer what or how the note came into existence and what, (nothing) backs the note. The so called money creators, know this and wouldn't want it to become commonly known the game that's played. Who wouldn't want to own a magical money tree ?

For instance if I had a weed backed currency, the roach, the 1/8, the ounce, the q.p. and pound might be the picture on the paper note itself, but they would also be backed by the agreement that you could come to me and exchange the paper note for what backs it, the actual weed. Or you could trade the note to people who knew they could redeem it for weed.

If I created a fiat weed currency, and you came looking to redeem it, and I paid you with more fiat weed notes, you might begin to think I was a fraud, because in that case, I would be.

 

[hanimmal]

You're getting closer, except for the part you willfully or ignorantly omit.

The U.S. dollar or any other fiat currency isn't a note that is given to people with any kind of redeemable thing, like a valuable good, backing it from the source. The fact you can pass it on to other fools and get things doesn't answer what or how the note came into existence and what, (nothing) backs the note. The so called money creators, know this and wouldn't want it to become commonly known the game that's played. Who wouldn't want to own a magical money tree ?

For instance if I had a weed backed currency, the roach, the 1/8, the ounce, the q.p. and pound might be the picture on the paper note itself, but they would also be backed by the agreement that you could come to me and exchange the paper note for what backs it, the actual weed. Or you could trade the note to people who knew they could redeem it for weed.

If I created a fiat weed currency, and you came looking to redeem it, and I paid you with more fiat weed notes, you might begin to think I was a fraud, because in that case, I would be.

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Your propaganda is weak. The Federal Reserve system is a great boogey man, but all of that meme is bullshit.

A dollar is redeemable at any bank for a imaginary number in a bank account that can be used to buy very real goods and services, or you can exchange it for another note.

 

[Rob Roy]

Your propaganda is weak. The Federal Reserve system is a great boogey man, but all of that meme is bullshit.

A dollar is redeemable at any bank for a imaginary number in a bank account that can be used to buy very real goods and services, or you can exchange it for another note.

The paper is real, but their ain't no weed, no gold, no turnips, no nubile women slaves, no casks of rum, no two headed dildoes and no boxes of twinkies to back it up.

The source of the "money creation" is thin air. Can you tell me that's NOT the source ? Is that a vlaue for value trade or is that a form of enslavement by willful fraud ?