In 2020. America will not get BERNED again
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92x7000/5150
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I disagree.
Bugeye
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I meant to say the country will not get what it deserves. Just like always. Better?
Fogdog
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If you are grounded in reality then you can't disagree that Sanders is going to be a Senator until 2024 and it's my guess Vermont would re-elect him if he ran again.
All of the leaders of the Progressive left ran as Democrats or caucus with Democrats in Congress. They need to work with the Democratic party's moderates to meet campaign promises without which they can't get re-elected. The country's demographics are shifting such that by the latter part of the 2020's, millenials and those born later (Gen Z) will be the dominant group of adults by numbers in this country. They are ethnically and culturally diverse but are quite united when it comes to being farther left than older groups. If the so-called Progressive left can work with moderates on issues they both want to move forward then it's a win for everybody. They don't have to capitulate any more than moderates do but there are common goals and objectives that seem obvious to me.
If you see the Progressive left as the problem and not Republicans then you are part of the problem. Not them.
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92x7000/5150
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How is dividing the party productive?
Fogdog
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There is no division, or doesn't need to be one. The Democratic party is a coalition, not a monolith. Finding common goals and objectives among our differences is how the party has operated for a long time. If you take a look at the platform for the Democratic Party, every goal and objective voiced by the so-called Progressive left wing of the party is listed. Disagreement comes in when and to what degree but there is no real division on goals and objectives.
The real problem is Republicans.
92x7000/5150
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The real problem was lack of cohesiveness that decided a close election and gave it to the opposition.
Fogdog
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lack of cohesiveness in what way? Given your hypothesis, what do you propose Democrats do in 2020.
Fogdog
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A truly evil fat ugly and old man died. When he woke up he found himself as he had been before he died but naked in a room with no doors or windows, in bed with a beautiful woman next to him. He couldn't believe his luck. His first words were, "I thought I was going to go to hell and now I find myself in heaven"I'm still waiting for this "shower visit". My only hope is she's naked, got big boobs and wants me to lather her up. I order this from Santa every year and every year he eats my cookies and drinks my milk and leaves me a blow up doll. You thought your life was bad
The woman told him "we are in hell. You are my punishment".
ttystikk
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I'm not half as concerned about Russia's involvement in our elections as I am about Israel's. They like to lead us into one quagmire after another in the middle East, effectively sticking us with the bill for their national defense while they continue to commit ongoing human rights violations against the Palestinian people. We lose credibility both ways, not to mention trillions of dollars fighting wars we have no stake in.
ttystikk
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No, clown shoes. The real problem is money corrupting politics, rendering the voice of the people moot. Just voting D won't change that, in spite of your gullible belief that a vote that everyone knew would fail means a damned thing.
Fogdog
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Padawanbater2
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You're right in name, there doesn't need to be one..
But where you stand in reason lies the division.. You can call it 'degrees of difference' if you'd like, but if you don't support something like universal healthcare, I'm sure you would agree, that's a pretty universal opinion.. You either support it or you oppose it..
Joe Biden opposes it, Bernie Sanders supports it
The Democratic Party is a coalition of voters ultimately made up of of strong minority communities. To me, the coalescence of voters from all around the world, specifically because this is a country made of immigrants, coming together is exactly what makes us stronger and what will ultimately win in 2020. That's why the NCAA recruits players from all over the country.. Republicans are right when they say we're the strongest nation on Earth! It makes us stronger as a people, as well as a community because we steal the best from everywhere else! It's not about what we are against. It's about what we are for, and here in America, we're for the best. (this is subtly trying to undermine racism.. I hope the racists get that..)
Fogdog
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I thought you were against people voting. I still don't understand your issue with that.
All of the so-called Progressive left's leaders elected to office in Congress ran as Democrats. They caucus with Democrats. Sanders is running to win the nomination of the Democratic Party. Seems pretty clear that your Progressive left or whatever you like to call it is an important wing of the Democratic Party. I'm glad they are there too. I too think that there is strength through diversity.
I have issues about Biden and am probably not going to choose him. Still, to say he opposes universal access to healthcare seems untrue to me.. Here is Biden's policy statement on Universal access to healthcare:
2020 CANDIDATE JOE BIDEN BACKS MEDICARE PUBLIC OPTION: ‘YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE’
https://www.newsweek.com/2020-candidate-joe-biden-backs-medicare-all-policy-you-all-should-have-choice-1409332
During his first major address as a 2020 presidential candidate in Pittsburgh on Monday, Biden threw his support behind letting Americans decide whether they wanted to opt in to the program. “Whether you're covered through your employer or on your own or not, you all should have a choice to be able to buy into a public option plan for Medicare… Your choice,” Biden said. “If the insurance company isn't doing the right thing by you, you should have another choice.”
Biden isn't hewing to Sanders' plan but isn't it false to say he opposes universal access to healthcare despite that statement? Actually Sanders doesn't have a plan but I won't quibble with you about his unfinished bill which doesn't say how it will be paid for or how much it will cost. I'm just wondering why you say Biden opposes universal access to healthcare when he says he does.
ttystikk
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Biden lies. So do you. This explains why you support him.
Fogdog
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Now that's an incisive well reasoned and convincing argument.
He's a liar. Trust me.
LOL
I don't much care for Biden or Bernie. Or Warren, for that matter. They are all too old.
ttystikk
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Padawanbater2
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You're right in name, there doesn't need to be one..
But where you stand in reason lies the division.. You can call it 'degrees of difference' if you'd like, but if you don't support something like universal healthcare, I'm sure you would agree, that's a pretty universal opinion.. You either support it or you oppose it..
Joe Biden opposes it, Bernie Sanders supports it
The Democratic Party is a coalition of voters ultimately made up of of strong minority communities. To me, the coalescence of voters from all around the world, specifically because this is a country made of immigrants, coming together is exactly what makes us stronger and what will ultimately win in 2020. That's why the NCAA recruits players from all over the country.. Republicans are right when they say we're the strongest nation on Earth! It makes us stronger as a people, as well as a community because we steal the best from everywhere else! It's not about what we are against. It's about what we are for, and here in America, we're for the best. (this is subtly trying to undermine racism.. I hope the racists get that..)
Warren 2020
But where you stand in reason lies the division.. You can call it 'degrees of difference' if you'd like, but if you don't support something like universal healthcare, I'm sure you would agree, that's a pretty universal opinion.. You either support it or you oppose it..
Joe Biden opposes it, Bernie Sanders supports it
The Democratic Party is a coalition of voters ultimately made up of of strong minority communities. To me, the coalescence of voters from all around the world, specifically because this is a country made of immigrants, coming together is exactly what makes us stronger and what will ultimately win in 2020. That's why the NCAA recruits players from all over the country.. Republicans are right when they say we're the strongest nation on Earth! It makes us stronger as a people, as well as a community because we steal the best from everywhere else! It's not about what we are against. It's about what we are for, and here in America, we're for the best. (this is subtly trying to undermine racism.. I hope the racists get that..)
Warren 2020
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