Americans Maintain a Positive View of Bernie Sanders

Padawanbater2

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Bernie has only gotten a few post offices named in his designee's honor and some solar water heaters installed on some Federal buildings.
Read the two dozen+ or so accomplishments in the post you quoted, then get back to me, sport
There are places where Bernie is more of a drag than a help to Democrats
No, there are places where establishment Democrats and their supporters believe Bernie is more of a threat than a help to the Democratic establishment, based on their devotion and loyalty to the status quo and Democratic establishment party politics.
Amanda Loveday



served as executive director of South Carolina's Democratic Party and previously did communications for U.S. Rep. Jim Clyburn, the state's lone congressional Democrat. Asked about the effect of Sanders' visit to South Carolina, she called the trip "extremely selfish" and not in the best interest of the state's Democratic candidates.

"I just think it's extremely selfish of Bernie Sanders to think he could walk into South Carolina without an invitation from a candidate and think he's going to be welcomed with open arms," Loveday said. "It's hard for me to think of an actual, legitimate Democratic candidate who would stand on stage with him here."
Greenville, SC;



Charleston, SC;



That's weird, big crowds in SC, people of all ages and ethnicities. It's hard for Loveday to think of any Democratic candidate that would welcome Bernie Sanders into SC? Why? When he brings in the biggest crowds of any politician in the country? Even in SC how I just pointed out.
"Bernie does not resonate in South Carolina," Brown said. "He'd be doing us all a favor if he just got lost."
Brown comes from a family of politicians. He was a third generation member of the South Carolina House of Representatives, and is the grandson of Walter B. Brown, a former legislator, lobbyist and railroad executive. His father David was one of the longest serving County Commissioners in South Carolina, and served multiple terms as Chairman of Fairfield County Council. His uncle, Judge Walter Boyd "B" Brown, Jr. was a state Family Court Judge until the time of his death, and his great-grandfather, Boyd Brown, was also a member of the South Carolina House of Representatives from Fairfield County, and served as Chairman of the House Labor and Commerce Committee. Brown's older brother serves on Town Council in Ridgeway, South Carolina.


Entrenched in it
A redux of Sanders' 2016 effort, Charleston County Democratic Party Chairman Brady Quirk-Garvan

added, does nothing to help voters who want to put the bruising primary process behind them
Why was the primary process "bruising"? Because Clinton, the DNC, and the Democratic party cheated Sanders and his supporters out of a legitimate election by rigging the process. It's great those who are on the side of those who perpetuated the cheating want to move on and forget about it, it's obvious why they would want to do that. But the reality is those bruises Garvan mentioned won't be healed until every single corporate Democrat is out of office and integrity is restored to the democratic process.
On Wednesday, Politico reported

Did they, now?
of Sanders' primary campaign. "For many, even people who backed Sen. Sanders in the primary, they're looking for some new ideas.
Even back then, most Democrats were not on board with what he was pitching," Quirk-Garvan said
More than 80% of Democrats support Sanders' political policy message including 51% of Republicans, that's remained consistent since the 1980s. What evidence does Garvan, or you, base this claim on? Try to remain factual
Brown suggested, people attracted to Sanders' ideas should support traditional Democratic platform planks, like Medicaid expansion and an overall fight for better wages.
Right, exactly what we've been saying while you deny it; you support a moderate, incremental strategy of change that will somehow magically make Republicans choose Republican light in red states over the actual Republican who they believe will represent them. Why deny it then post evidence supporting the claim against you? Seems kind of odd..
"If he comes to South Carolina, he'll have his 15 people will show up," Brown said. "I hope it's worth it to him, because he's doing greater damage to the party overall."


Sanders at a rally in Indiana yesterday, at 11am. 15 people, huh, Brown?
Bernie is a very divisive political leader.
That's why his appearances consistently bring in sold out crowds. Not like Hillary Clinton, who trailed Trump on election day..
People would probably thing better of him if he worked well with others.
The guy who passed 49 amendments under a Republican held congress doesn't work well with others? Who more than 85% of the Democratic party supports?

Name one politician who objectively works better with others than Sanders.. I'll wait
 

Buddha2525

Well-Known Member
Read the two dozen+ or so accomplishments in the post you quoted, then get back to me, sport

No, there are places where establishment Democrats and their supporters believe Bernie is more of a threat than a help to the Democratic establishment, based on their devotion and loyalty to the status quo and Democratic establishment party politics.




Greenville, SC;



Charleston, SC;



That's weird, big crowds in SC, people of all ages and ethnicities. It's hard for Loveday to think of any Democratic candidate that would welcome Bernie Sanders into SC? Why? When he brings in the biggest crowds of any politician in the country? Even in SC how I just pointed out.




Entrenched in it



Why was the primary process "bruising"? Because Clinton, the DNC, and the Democratic party cheated Sanders and his supporters out of a legitimate election by rigging the process. It's great those who are on the side of those who perpetuated the cheating want to move on and forget about it, it's obvious why they would want to do that. But the reality is those bruises Garvan mentioned won't be healed until every single corporate Democrat is out of office and integrity is restored to the democratic process.

Did they, now?

More than 80% of Democrats support Sanders' political policy message including 51% of Republicans, that's remained consistent since the 1980s. What evidence does Garvan, or you, base this claim on? Try to remain factual

Right, exactly what we've been saying while you deny it; you support a moderate, incremental strategy of change that will somehow magically make Republicans choose Republican light in red states over the actual Republican who they believe will represent them. Why deny it then post evidence supporting the claim against you? Seems kind of odd..



Sanders at a rally in Indiana yesterday, at 11am. 15 people, huh, Brown?

That's why his appearances consistently bring in sold out crowds. Not like Hillary Clinton, who trailed Trump on election day..

The guy who passed 49 amendments under a Republican held congress doesn't work well with others? Who more than 85% of the Democratic party supports?

Name one politician who objectively works better with others than Sanders.. I'll wait
That's a huge sea of white privilege. You sure that's not a Trump rally?
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Read the two dozen+ or so accomplishments in the post you quoted, then get back to me, sport

No, there are places where establishment Democrats and their supporters believe Bernie is more of a threat than a help to the Democratic establishment, based on their devotion and loyalty to the status quo and Democratic establishment party politics.




Greenville, SC;



Charleston, SC;



That's weird, big crowds in SC, people of all ages and ethnicities. It's hard for Loveday to think of any Democratic candidate that would welcome Bernie Sanders into SC? Why? When he brings in the biggest crowds of any politician in the country? Even in SC how I just pointed out.




Entrenched in it



Why was the primary process "bruising"? Because Clinton, the DNC, and the Democratic party cheated Sanders and his supporters out of a legitimate election by rigging the process. It's great those who are on the side of those who perpetuated the cheating want to move on and forget about it, it's obvious why they would want to do that. But the reality is those bruises Garvan mentioned won't be healed until every single corporate Democrat is out of office and integrity is restored to the democratic process.

Did they, now?

More than 80% of Democrats support Sanders' political policy message including 51% of Republicans, that's remained consistent since the 1980s. What evidence does Garvan, or you, base this claim on? Try to remain factual

Right, exactly what we've been saying while you deny it; you support a moderate, incremental strategy of change that will somehow magically make Republicans choose Republican light in red states over the actual Republican who they believe will represent them. Why deny it then post evidence supporting the claim against you? Seems kind of odd..



Sanders at a rally in Indiana yesterday, at 11am. 15 people, huh, Brown?

That's why his appearances consistently bring in sold out crowds. Not like Hillary Clinton, who trailed Trump on election day..

The guy who passed 49 amendments under a Republican held congress doesn't work well with others? Who more than 85% of the Democratic party supports?

Name one politician who objectively works better with others than Sanders.. I'll wait
Bernie only introduced 2 bills that were ever passed. He just co-sponsored everything else, road the coattails of productive people. If that universal healthcare bill he "wrote" is an example of what he thinks is good work, no wonder he wasn't allowed to actually do anything important.

Bernie Sanders lost South Carolina by 50% margin.

You can pull up pictures of crowds from Indiana if you like, he won there, I think. You are confused if you think Indiana is same as South Carolina.
 
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Fogdog

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That makes no difference. Hillary is Fogdog's man for job, because she lied about white privilege is something real. While Bernie told the truth about what everyone thinks about the ghetto, and things need to change so that's not a actual real thing anymore. But people like Fogdog got their panties in a bunch, and acted like he was straight up a Neo-Nazi.

Fodgod and AC both bitch about that. Like he's going to fight for only the whites, even though he's a Jew, and not white

Jews have long been discriminated against. Maybe the two of them forgot about the Holocaust? But he's fighting for white privilege?

That's how fucked in the head people who endorsed Hillary are. They'd rather have Trump, than get a racist. When the truth is that's what's there now.

He's too old. You're too stupid. Racists endorse him because his policies enrich whites too and we can't have none of that shit. We need to make them crackers pay, even if our outrage makes no sense.

What pisses off Fogdog is if Bernie gets in and rids us of economic equality, it will prove that's the real reaaon all our lives suck, and this whole white privilege nonsense was a scam invented by greedy inhuman beyond super rich assholes holding privledge, who are assholes no matter what race they are.

Your arguements are meaningless to him. I was only trying to save you from the worthless effort. Look at those pictures. What do you see? A sea of white privledge is all he sees.

Bernie was pretty much saying poor white people don't exist, but all Fogdog heard was the word ghetto and he foams at the mouth.


Clinton is so yesterday. Too funny how people like you are so tired of defending Trump and you have nothing else to drag up.

The country would be so much better off if the majority of the vote counted in 2016
 

Buddha2525

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Bernie is OK but insufficient.
Was Trump worth Bernie being insufficient? Knowing what you do now that Hillary was impossible, would you've stumped for Bernie in 2016? If not...

In 2016 who was sufficient against Trump? You can't say Hillary because she lost. Who could've then beat Trump?
 

UncleBuck

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Was Trump worth Bernie being insufficient? Knowing what you do now that Hillary was impossible, would you've stumped for Bernie in 2016? If not...

In 2016 who was sufficient against Trump? You can't say Hillary because she lost. Who could've then beat Trump?
Hillary beat trump by about 3 millionvotes

Hillary has never run for anything and gotten less votes

Hillary is always the choice of the American people
 

Buddha2525

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Hillary beat trump by about 3 millionvotes

Hillary has never run for anything and gotten less votes

Hillary is always the choice of the American people
But she isn't president now! This wasn't the first time either. You mistake the US is a democracy. In our reality, not your fantasy, who could've beat Trump with our then and still electoral college system?

No matter how much you live in denial she wasn't America's choice, because as Americans we don't live by mob rule.
 

UncleBuck

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But she isn't president now! This wasn't the first time either. You mistake the US is a democracy. In our reality, not your fantasy, who could've beat Trump with our then and still electoral college system?

No matter how much you live in denial she wasn't America's choice, because as Americans we don't live by mob rule.
Americans voting is not mob rule

A compromise to give special rights to slave states isn’t America’s choice. It was a compromise by aristocrats who raped their slaves

Hillary was the choice of the American people
 

Buddha2525

Well-Known Member
Americans voting is not mob rule

A compromise to give special rights to slave states isn’t America’s choice. It was a compromise by aristocrats who raped their slaves

Hillary was the choice of the American people
We don't have mob rule. Sorry. That's your childish fairy tale. Call it an aristocrat compromise, that's your choice to live in delusion. Under our "aristocracy" who could've beat Trump? Hillary lost, live in reality.

My bet would've been Bernie would've anihilated Trump on electoral votes which are what actually matters.

Unless we can figure out who could've beat Trump before under the current rules, you have ZERO chance in 2020 and will repeat your "sure thing" that happened in 2016.

"We live in a world where "good" is a value dependent on whether we
want it. In the world as it is, the solution of each problem inevitably
creates a new one. In the world as it is there are no permanent happy
or sad endings. Such endings belong to the world of fantasy, the
world as we would like it to be, the world of children's fairy tales
where "they lived happily ever after." In the world as it is, the stream
of events surges endlessly onward with death as the only terminus.
One never reaches the horizon; it is always just beyond, ever
beckoning onward; it is the pursuit of life itself. This is the world as
it is. This is where you start." Saul Alinsky
 

UncleBuck

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We don't have mob rule. Sorry. That's your childish fairy tale. Call it an aristocrat compromise, that's your choice to live in delusion. Under our "aristocracy" who could've beat Trump? Hillary lost, live in reality.

My bet would've been Bernie would've anihilated Trump on electoral votes which are what actually matters.

Unless we can figure out who could've beat Trump before under the current rules, you have ZERO chance in 2020 and will repeat your "sure thing" that happened in 2016.

"We live in a world where "good" is a value dependent on whether we
want it. In the world as it is, the solution of each problem inevitably
creates a new one. In the world as it is there are no permanent happy
or sad endings. Such endings belong to the world of fantasy, the
world as we would like it to be, the world of children's fairy tales
where "they lived happily ever after." In the world as it is, the stream
of events surges endlessly onward with death as the only terminus.
One never reaches the horizon; it is always just beyond, ever
beckoning onward; it is the pursuit of life itself. This is the world as
it is. This is where you start." Saul Alinsky
Americans voting is not mob rule

A compromise to give special rights to slave states isn’t America’s choice. It was a compromise by aristocrats who raped their slaves

Hillary was the choice of the American people
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Was Trump worth Bernie being insufficient? Knowing what you do now that Hillary was impossible, would you've stumped for Bernie in 2016? If not...

In 2016 who was sufficient against Trump? You can't say Hillary because she lost. Who could've then beat Trump?
Bernie would have won if he hadn't lost.

 

Buddha2525

Well-Known Member
Oh that old fake conspiracy theory.

Yes, I agree, Bernie supporters are very susceptible to fake conspiracy theories. You only need to read stuff from tty or schuy to know that.
The DNC was sued by donors who claimed Hillary was unfairly chosen despite their own very rules. The court agreed but denied their request because the DNC is a private corporation who can do whatever they want, despite the fact they lied about being for the people, when the reality is they're bought out by other corporations and don't care one bit about the people.

The Republican and Democrat "parties" are anything but. They're corporations serving rich privledge interests not the people's, and especially not exclusively for white privilege.
 
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