Americans Maintain a Positive View of Bernie Sanders

Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
But WE did vote him in, whether you personally voted for him or not. That's why it's called we the people. Go to your local courthouse and bring a bigger portable PA there to drown out the Jehovah's Witness who also claims the time is nigh.

Blaming Russians, isn't going to do it. All you'll achieve is what you deny. You can't have democracy, and say we can't use an IQ test, but in the next breath state Trump supporters are really Russian influenced voters, so they don't count. That's ridiculous!
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Donald Trump was elected by a minority of the vote.
 
Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
Wow. That conspiracy theory is way more out there than anything Alex Jones could come up with. I givenyou mad props.
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explain to me how affirmative action, equal funding of schools regardless of race and economic conditions in the area and equal opportunity in lending is going to make it so that black men oppress white people?
 
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abandonconflict said:
Also Bernie didn't even pay his campaign staffers $15 per hour. Hopefully he follows the example set by Amazon in the future if he decides to make another failure in the presidential elections instead of being a hypocrite again.
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interns are typically unpaid volunteers..hillary clinton paid hers $0/hour..which makes the $12/hourly that Sanders paid, $12/hour MORE than clinton.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
You only accept voter suppression and corruption if a Republican does it. You're a dishonest person. So I have no interest in discussing anything with you.
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I see only two names running for Senator on that ballot. Manchin and Morrisey. This is fact and cannot be disputed. Yes, I understand you WANT somebody else on the ticket but she lost by 40% of the vote in the primary. Elections matter and not voting isn't going to change who is on the ticket. Not voting helps the Republican who is much worse than Manchin.
 
Unclebaldrick

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Fogdog said:
I see only two names running for Senator on that ballot. Manchin and Morrisey. This is fact and cannot be disputed. Yes, I understand you WANT somebody else on the ticket but she lost by 40% of the vote in the primary. Elections matter and not voting isn't going to change who is on the ticket. Not voting helps the Republican who is much worse than Manchin.
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Watch out or he'll stomp his feet and hold his breath.
 
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Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
I see only two names running for Senator on that ballot. Manchin and Morrisey. This is fact and cannot be disputed. Yes, I understand you WANT somebody else on the ticket but she lost by 40% of the vote in the primary. Elections matter and not voting isn't going to change who is on the ticket. Not voting helps the Republican who is much worse than Manchin.
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I said any Democrat who supports Manchin after his vote for Kavanaugh has no principles. You don't have to support Manchin because you oppose Republicans and Morrisey. You don't have to support Manchin because you're a Democrat. If you truly believe in progressive values, you can acknowledge the kind of politician Manchin is and push for a more progressive candidate to represent West Virginian Democrats. You seem to think a more progressive candidate than Manchin can't win in deep red West Virginia. I disagree. It would be interesting to run that experiment unimpeded by traditional forms of government corruption.
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
I said any Democrat who supports Manchin after his vote for Kavanaugh has no principles. You don't have to support Manchin because you oppose Republicans and Morrisey. You don't have to support Manchin because you're a Democrat. If you truly believe in progressive values, you can acknowledge the kind of politician Manchin is and push for a more progressive candidate to represent West Virginian Democrats. You seem to think a more progressive candidate than Manchin can't win in deep red West Virginia. I disagree. It would be interesting to run that experiment unimpeded by traditional forms of government corruption.
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Swearingen tried and failed like we said she would

You can now choose:

Democrat who votes with democrats 77% of the time when they’re in power and 40% of the time when they’re not

Or

Republican who’ll vote with democrats 2% of the time when they’re in power and 0% of the time when they’re not

Easy decision if you’re not a whiny petulant child
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
I said any Democrat who supports Manchin after his vote for Kavanaugh has no principles. You don't have to support Manchin because you oppose Republicans and Morrisey. You don't have to support Manchin because you're a Democrat. If you truly believe in progressive values, you can acknowledge the kind of politician Manchin is and push for a more progressive candidate to represent West Virginian Democrats. You seem to think a more progressive candidate than Manchin can't win in deep red West Virginia. I disagree. It would be interesting to run that experiment unimpeded by traditional forms of government corruption.
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I suppose a more progressive candidate can win in West Virginia. The one that ran this year lost by 40% of the vote, so, probably not her.

The choice this fall is between Manchin and Morrisey. There are no other choices to be made other than not voting, which for a progressive is capitulation to racism and right wing support for the 1%.

Since neither of us can vote in WV, our discussion is more along the lines of what would further the progressive cause most. Would progressives not voting help the progressive cause most or would voting for the most progressive but still odious candidate be best?

I don't understand how putting Morrisey in office would help.

Isn't the term "progressive" all about making progress?
 
Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
I suppose a more progressive candidate can win in West Virginia. The one that ran this year lost by 40% of the vote, so, probably not her.

The choice this fall is between Manchin and Morrisey. There are no other choices to be made other than not voting, which for a progressive is capitulation to racism and right wing support for the 1%.

Since neither of us can vote in WV, our discussion is more along the lines of what would further the progressive cause most. Would progressives not voting help the progressive cause most or would voting for the most progressive but still odious candidate be best?

I don't understand how putting Morrisey in office would help.

Isn't the term "progressive" all about making progress?
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Do you think a Democratic candidate in any district should be supported by the Democratic party if they vote with Trump more than half the time?

Why/Why not?
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Do you think a Democratic candidate in any district should be supported by the Democratic party if they vote with Trump more than half the time?

Why/Why not?
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I don't see it that way. You offer a choice as if the National Democratic Party chooses candidates and they don't.

Manchin was selected by the people who are registered Democrats in the state of West Virginia. It is their right to choose the person to represent them in Washington DC. The Democratic Senate Campaign Committee is chartered with taking back the Senate from Republicans. Do you think the DSCC should ignore the choice of the Democratic Party of West Virginia? I don't think they should, either from a pragmatic or from an idealistic point of view. I think elections matter and the Democrats of West Virginia made their choice.

Should Manchin win, I expect the senators from Oregon to work with Manchin when we have common interests, such as shoring up the ACA.
 
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Fogdog said:
I don't see it that way. You offer a choice as if the National Democratic Party chooses candidates and they don't.

Manchin was selected by the people who are registered Democrats in the state of West Virginia. It is their right to choose the person to represent them in Washington DC. The Democratic Senate Campaign Committee is chartered with taking back the Senate from Republicans. Do you think the DSCC should ignore the choice of the Democratic Party of West Virginia? I don't think they should, either from a pragmatic or from an idealistic point of view. I think elections matter and the Democrats of West Virginia made their choice.

Should Manchin win, I expect the senators from Oregon to work with Manchin when we have common interests, such as shoring up the ACA.
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I'm not talking about WV voters. I'm talking about the Democratic party, and party leadership. Do you think a Democratic candidate who supports Trump or the Republicans more than half the time should be supported by the party? Do you think the party should be helping fund a member of their own party who opposes the fundamental values the Democratic party purports to represent more than half the time?

Why/Why not?
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
I'm not talking about WV voters. I'm talking about the Democratic party, and party leadership. Do you think a Democratic candidate who supports Trump or the Republicans more than half the time should be supported by the party? Do you think the party should be helping fund a member of their own party who opposes the fundamental values the Democratic party purports to represent more than half the time?

Why/Why not?
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The National Democratic Party Committee should respect the will of the voters of each state. It is not theirs to choose whom to support unless there are criminal or serious moral grounds to do so. Ramming an agenda down to the states from a national headquarters is a terrible idea.
 
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