Nevada shooter kills 50+ at Las Vegas concert

st0wandgrow

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One thing that must be understood, if someone is going to commit a crime then the gun laws are completely useless.
That's not true. A lot of crime, and gun violence in general is heat of the moment stuff. Domestic abuse for example. If a gun is present then the odds of someone dying exponentially increase. Same with road rage. Add a gun to that scenario and it can escalate to something deadly. Like these two morons that were both packing and shot and killed one another.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/09/two-michigan-drivers-shoot-and-kill-each-other-after-road-rage-incident/

9 times out of 10 having a gun will only escelate a situation. If someone pulls a gun on you and asks for your wallet, give it to him. You've lost the element of surprise if someone is targeting you, so pulling a gun is only going to escelate things and get yourself shot. Even if you manage something heroic and end up killing the person trying to rob you, is it really worth ending someone's life over the 100 bucks you have in your pocket?

The whole deranged gunman scenario that gun advocates point to is very rare, and as we saw in Vegas it is often unlikely that "good guys" with guns can do anything about it anyway. Your gun is FAR more likely to be used in an accidental shooting, or used on you than it being used in a justifiable homicide. You've got a better chance at winning the lottery than you do in finding yourself in a situation where you can save people's lives by pulling your gun and shooting someone.
 

ttystikk

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That's not true. A lot of crime, and gun violence in general is heat of the moment stuff. Domestic abuse for example. If a gun is present then the odds of someone dying exponentially increase. Same with road rage. Add a gun to that scenario and it can escalate to something deadly. Like these two morons that were both packing and shot and killed one another.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/09/two-michigan-drivers-shoot-and-kill-each-other-after-road-rage-incident/

9 times out of 10 having a gun will only escelate a situation. If someone pulls a gun on you and asks for your wallet, give it to him. You've lost the element of surprise if someone is targeting you, so pulling a gun is only going to escelate things and get yourself shot. Even if you manage something heroic and end up killing the person trying to rob you, is it really worth ending someone's life over the 100 bucks you have in your pocket?

The whole deranged gunman scenario that gun advocates point to is very rare, and as we saw in Vegas it is often unlikely that "good guys" with guns can do anything about it anyway. Your gun is FAR more likely to be used in an accidental shooting, or used on you than it being used in a justifiable homicide. You've got a better chance at winning the lottery than you do in finding yourself in a situation where you can save people's lives by pulling your gun and shooting someone.
The voice of maturity speaks...

Small wonder you're unpopular here!
 

jonsnow399

Well-Known Member
Yet you're the moron debating automatic firearms in the face of over 500 dead and wounded.

Maybe you don't have the grasp of the big picture?

You're a special kind of idiot.
No debate, you were wrong, and you were the first talking about what kind of weapon it was which is relevant to the discussion, are you really this stupid or just trolling?
 

jonsnow399

Well-Known Member
You're arguing the s we mantis of gun tech in the face of mass killing.

Talk about missing the point!

You're a special kind of idiot.
nope, you were making all kind of stupid statements about the circumstances of the tragedy, then got butthurt when you were corrected. Yeh, lets talk about missing the point!

I know I'm special, you're on the other hand are an ordinary, run of the moron, who thinks he a expert on pretty much every topic. Tell us again how you have been "raising the alarm" about financial collapse for the last 20 years! lol. Maybe one day, if you live long enough you'll be right!:hump:
 

ttystikk

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nope, you were making all kind of stupid statements about the circumstances of the tragedy, then got butthurt when you were corrected. Yeh, lets talk about missing the point!

I know I'm special, you're on the other hand are an ordinary, run of the moron, who thinks he a expert on pretty much every topic. Tell us again how you have been "raising the alarm" about financial collapse for the last 20 years! lol. Maybe one day, if you live long enough you'll be right!:hump:
Well, let's see; there was one in 2000 which bankrupted millions and another in 2008 which bankrupted millions more. And a huge stock crash in between.

So by all means, keep it up.

You're a special kind of idiot.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
why do black men have guns? are whites burglarizing them? do they need these guns for protection? is this really a white/black gun ownership thing?
Other than the fact that the problem cannot be solved without cooperation from white gun owners, you are correct in that the "gun ownership thing" is by and large a color blind issue,
 

twostrokenut

Well-Known Member
the saturation of guns in America isn't a recent phenomenon but a large part of history. y'all aren't arguing precipitation of guns either and ignoring out country's unique right. what other country has an explicit right to bear arms not granted by government? Canada or oz?

nope.

count any of those "model" countries suicide rates as a "gun death" and we are all largely in the same boat.....human with human tendancies, including the popular authoritarian approaches to deal with such issues.

I think we should wait for political motives of shooter personally before having a debate politicizing shooters legal purchases of firearms including passed background check.....at least before we start a third thread jeesh.
 

chemphlegm

Well-Known Member
who's betting ?
1)the Hotel camera will clearly show every second of the shooter(s) stay coming and going with electronic entry/exit recorded
2)carrying in multiple packages on multiple trips
3)with no missing video and
4)nobody else entering the room during his stay?
5) his normal prescribed drugs are found in his system
 

Enigma

Well-Known Member
Really, then you were a licensed law enforcement officer or a member of the real miliatary at 11?
I was trained and competent enough to handle, load, disassemble and utilize a firearm by military veterans.

:roll:

Fascy dipshit.
Fancy?

Or is that one of the trending millennial terms for something?

Nothing says early onset erectile dysfunction like a big gun in the hands of a little guy. I guess you knew it was coming.
Heh, why do you want to know how well my junk works?

Just a heads up, you're not my type.. and it isn't your skin colour!

That's not true. A lot of crime, and gun violence in general is heat of the moment stuff. Domestic abuse for example. If a gun is present then the odds of someone dying exponentially increase. Same with road rage. Add a gun to that scenario and it can escalate to something deadly. Like these two morons that were both packing and shot and killed one another.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/09/two-michigan-drivers-shoot-and-kill-each-other-after-road-rage-incident/

9 times out of 10 having a gun will only escelate a situation. If someone pulls a gun on you and asks for your wallet, give it to him. You've lost the element of surprise if someone is targeting you, so pulling a gun is only going to escelate things and get yourself shot. Even if you manage something heroic and end up killing the person trying to rob you, is it really worth ending someone's life over the 100 bucks you have in your pocket?

The whole deranged gunman scenario that gun advocates point to is very rare, and as we saw in Vegas it is often unlikely that "good guys" with guns can do anything about it anyway. Your gun is FAR more likely to be used in an accidental shooting, or used on you than it being used in a justifiable homicide. You've got a better chance at winning the lottery than you do in finding yourself in a situation where you can save people's lives by pulling your gun and shooting someone.

Not so, personal experience speaks louder here, guns do not escalate domestic issues.

People escalate domestic violence, if it wasn't a gun then it would be a knife or a chain or..

I've had plenty of road rage incidents and I never fired a single round at those idiots.

There was an armed robbery committed by two teenagers, one was black the other brown, they were robbing two white men. The men got face-down and gave them their money only to be executed right there.

I will shoot someone pointing a gun at me, it does not matter the reason why, it only matters that my life is in danger and I will do anything to protect it.

The chances of saving someone's life with a firearm is far greater than you guessed. Numerous reports of police officers being saved citizens with guns, teachers saving kids with guns, children protecting themselves and their homes with guns.

You don't hear about it because it doesn't fit the media's agenda for political and economic control.

Am I the only wolf in this heard of sheep?
 

Enigma

Well-Known Member
You're arguing the semantics of gun tech in the face of mass killing.

Talk about missing the point!

You're a special kind of idiot.
Since firearms are categorized a certain way we have to describe them as such.

An assault rifle isn't a scary black gun.

An assault rifle is a rifle that has the ability to fire more than more round in succession from one pull of the trigger.

Remember, if someone is going to commit a crime with a gun the gun laws do not apply to that person's actions. Gun laws will only inhibit the public from being able to defend itself.
 
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