• Here is a link to the full explanation: https://rollitup.org/t/welcome-back-did-you-try-turning-it-off-and-on-again.1104810/

Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell

ChesusRice

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I'm quite healthy. Just yesterday I carried 80 lbs of water a mile or so uphill in a backpack and in my hands.

It seems like your goal is to distract from defending your silly law prohibitionist law proposal, because I so thoroughly trounced your idea.

I have lots of goals in life, some of them have been met, some I'm still working on.

One question though, do you ride a Sportster because the other bikes are too big for you little fella?
Yes the other bikes are too big for me.
 

Fogdog

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Reasonable question. I don't oppose people growing their own. I oppose any entity thinking they have the authority to prevent it or "regulate" it. Also, you used the term "freely" incorrectly. It's not "freely" if it is regulated.

Chesus proposed law is a step sideways and does not address the root problem of prohibition. The root problem is Prohibition advances the wrongful idea that we, as individuals do not own ourselves. I DO own myself though, so do you.

There is NO higher authority over me, (or you) than us as respective individuals as long as we leave others alone. Prohibition steals self ownership, blatantly. You don't solve that problem and regain self ownership by being granted "permission" , that is absurd.



A default position that "permission" must be granted by government to people in order to use cannabis is a step down the slippery slope. It continues a precedent that "rights" can be changed to revokable privileges.

Cannabis should be decriminalized, period.

No limits, no strings, no taxes, no nannys...Government should stay the fuck out of peoples lives.
So its all or nothing for you, is that it? Abolish all laws or don't change anything even if an obvious incremental change will correct a glaring problem.

So, you say there should be no government. No regulation, no interference with a person's desire to do whatever they want.

Any person that coerces or otherwise interferes with free action by another is prevented how? By defensive force if I understand you correctly. What if that defensive force is met with a greater offensive force? Maybe that sexual predator just hides and waits for you to come out in the open then fires his sniper rifle. You can't defend yourself or your family if you get a bullet in the brain. So then what? The predator can then drive off with your daughter? Is that the glorious world you want?
 

Fogdog

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I said eventually it will lead to sales.
I would like to reiterate. It is illegal to sell weed in Spain. But because of the way the law is, it is stopping no one. The big difference is no one is getting busted for it because now it is a low priority and not easy to prove
There is a hullabaloo posted here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/garden-ripped-out-in-norcal.882055/

People were surprised to find they were illegally growing in Butte County CA. Presumably they grew before and nobody cared. I know its growing and not selling but my point is that enforcement can change at the whim of a few officials. One year nothing the next year a department needs cash and boom! All of a sudden what you were doing openly becomes a huge fine and legal hassles. If its illegal to grow or sell then never assume its OK, even if the enforcement is lax. To me, this goes for Oregon where the state allows but the feds are only agreeing to not do anything. IF I were growing, I wouldn't tell anybody or grow outdoors, even in Oregon. IF I were selling in Spain, I wouldn't trust the cover of a club to protect me.

I know...paranoid, but then again, I've managed to stay out of jail.

And, Roy, this doesn't make me a slave, no matter how loudly you proclaim it.
 

ChesusRice

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There is a hullabaloo posted here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/garden-ripped-out-in-norcal.882055/

People were surprised to find they were illegally growing in Butte County CA. Presumably they grew before and nobody cared. I know its growing and not selling but my point is that enforcement can change at the whim of a few officials. One year nothing the next year a department needs cash and boom! All of a sudden what you were doing openly becomes a huge fine and legal hassles. If its illegal to grow or sell then never assume its OK, even if the enforcement is lax. To me, this goes for Oregon where the state allows but the feds are only agreeing to not do anything. IF I were growing, I wouldn't tell anybody or grow outdoors, even in Oregon. IF I were selling in Spain, I wouldn't trust the cover of a club to protect me.

I know...paranoid, but then again, I've managed to stay out of jail.

And, Roy, this doesn't make me a slave, no matter how loudly you proclaim it.
How would they prove you are selling?
 

Harrekin

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There is a hullabaloo posted here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/garden-ripped-out-in-norcal.882055/

People were surprised to find they were illegally growing in Butte County CA. Presumably they grew before and nobody cared. I know its growing and not selling but my point is that enforcement can change at the whim of a few officials. One year nothing the next year a department needs cash and boom! All of a sudden what you were doing openly becomes a huge fine and legal hassles. If its illegal to grow or sell then never assume its OK, even if the enforcement is lax. To me, this goes for Oregon where the state allows but the feds are only agreeing to not do anything. IF I were growing, I wouldn't tell anybody or grow outdoors, even in Oregon. IF I were selling in Spain, I wouldn't trust the cover of a club to protect me.

I know...paranoid, but then again, I've managed to stay out of jail.

And, Roy, this doesn't make me a slave, no matter how loudly you proclaim it.
You don't sell, you charge a subscription and give people free weed.
 

Harrekin

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Or you sell something that comes with free weed.
Nah, that's technically selling Afaik.

It's a "club subscription" you pay and you get free weed and a lighter (read: some other random cheap knick knack).

You're paying for membership of a club, not a product with free weed.
 

ChesusRice

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Nah, that's technically selling Afaik.

It's a "club subscription" you pay and you get free weed and a lighter (read: some other random cheap knick knack).

You're paying for membership of a club, not a product with free weed.
That will work as well
 

ChesusRice

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How do they prove you are selling now? They get an informant and they videotape the buy.

Is this rocket science?
Is that why the dealers nicknamed the new Washington DC law "the dealer protection act"?
A guy like you would be stupid enough to get caught. When it is Legal to possess
 

Fogdog

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How would they prove you are selling?
Same as they do now, I suppose. But really, do you think the DEA will just go away? They are bastards and they will bend and abuse every advantage they have. As long as there is substantial money to be had by arresting people selling, they will do so. If you advocate for legal to grow, illegal to sell then that's what you are advocating.

I think its a step in the right direction but its not enough to make the goons go away, which is probably the most important objective.
 

Fogdog

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Nah, that's technically selling Afaik.

It's a "club subscription" you pay and you get free weed and a lighter (read: some other random cheap knick knack).

You're paying for membership of a club, not a product with free weed.
Spain might be more enlightened than the US, I don't know about that.

In the US, enforcement can change at the whim of a few officials. One year nothing and the next year a department needs cash and boom! All of a sudden what you were doing becomes a huge fine and legal hassles. If its illegal to grow or to sell then never assume its OK, even if the enforcement is currently lax. At least in the US, I'd say if its not legal then be aware of the consequences. That's not to say I approve of those goons, they need to be legislated out of existence.
 

ChesusRice

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Do you put baseball cards in the spokes and make vrooom vrooom sounds when you "ride" ?

I said other bikes are too big for me. Didn't say I couldn't ride them.
I have road sport bikes for 40 years.
If I need something with a trunk ac and a radio I'll drive my car
 

ChesusRice

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Nearly 20 years after California became the first state to legalize the medical use of marijuana, legislators have a plan to impose order on the erratic patchwork of inconsistent policies that currently govern the billion-dollar industry.

“We’re making up for two decades of inaction”, said state senator Mike McGuire, whose district includes the “Emerald Triangle” in Northern California where 60% of the marijuana grown in the US is cultivated. “This legislation brings clarity and desperately needed rules and regulations.”

In the final hours of the legislative session that ended late Friday night, lawmakers passed a trio of bills that create a legal framework that puts the state firmly in control of managing marijuana from “seed to sale” while still leaving local municipalities with the ability to craft their own ordinances and impose taxes, according to state assembly member Ken Cooley, author of one of the bills. The deal was brokered with the assistance of governor Jerry Brown, virtually ensuring it will be signed into law.

Under the plan, a new Bureau of Medical Marijuana Regulation will be created inside the existing Department of Consumer Affairs, charged with managing almost all aspects of marijuana growing, distribution and sale. The bureau would oversee state licenses in these areas, but only if a local license has already been approved.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/calif-creates-medical-marijuana-bureau-to-regulate-industry/ar-AAecQhF?ocid=spartanntp

Cant say I told you so enough
 

Rob Roy

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I said other bikes are too big for me. Didn't say I couldn't ride them.
I have road sport bikes for 40 years.
If I need something with a trunk ac and a radio I'll drive my car
You've been a good sport about my teasing you little fella.

I've had a few bikes over the years too. Survived a totaled bike hit by a truck 35 years ago. When the truck hit it launched me (luckily) before trashing the bike. I landed hard, but was walking again in about six weeks.
 
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