Should the US support Israel forever ?

[Harrekin]

Probably the most right post in this entire thread..

I just read that and thought about it and you're totally right..

Obviously you think of the people of Iraq, the civilians, the Kurds and the people of Syria.. all put in a shitty situation made even shittier by the invasion, occupation, and evacuation by US forces.. a cavity, an empty pocket of power to be taken by the strongest arm.. ISIS.. we leave, they fill the void.. Pretty much an inevitability that every neocon was predicting.. Almost as shocking as Silver's predictions.. Any military analyst could tell you the same thing..

Now here we are.. A journalist gets executed, and likely another innocent one soon enough.. Horrible shit, nobody would disagree with that. But do 2 people warrant another indefinite war in the middle east, fighting an invisible enemy at an unsustainable cost? The potential cost of our country? Is another war worth it? More than $2 billion a month.. worth it? +4,000 soldiers, worth it? .. ask yourself those questions..

Is it worth it to go to war with an enemy thousands of miles away who have no legitimate chance of attacking American soil to bankrupt our country and jeopardize even further the future of American citizens? Is it, really, because a few war mongers in media and politics say so?

Think about it..

ISIS for the most part are operating in a normal occupation type way, out in the open. Send in special forces snipers, Apache gunships, etc

Exterminate them from a distance, their convoys are out in the open.

If the locals arnt hostile (they want America back) you've already gotten most of the way to victory.

 

[earnest_voice]

ISIS for the most part are operating in a normal occupation type way, out in the open. Send in special forces snipers, Apache gunships, etc

Exterminate them from a distance, their convoys are out in the open.

If the locals arnt hostile (they want America back) you've already gotten most of the way to victory.

Not exactly, they seem better networked than the UBL era Al Qaeda. They're controlling parts of Iraq, Syria and Libya - Foley was executed in Syria and the other journalist was taken from Libya. If we didn't side with the Saudis over Assad and went with Iran instead things would be a shitload better.

 

[Harrekin]

Not exactly, they seem better networked than the UBL era Al Qaeda. They're controlling parts of Iraq, Syria and Libya - Foley was executed in Syria and the other journalist was taken from Libya. If we didn't side with the Saudis over Assad and went with Iran instead things would be a shitload better.

They're riding around in pickups with their faces covered and giant ghey black flags on their vehicles.

Which is offensive to me, cos theyre not even pirates.

 

[WORDZofWORDZCRAFT]

fuckin pirates are always getting their culture commandeered

 

[Dr Kynes]

Not exactly, they seem better networked than the UBL era Al Qaeda. They're controlling parts of Iraq, Syria and Libya - Foley was executed in Syria and the other journalist was taken from Libya. If we didn't side with the Saudis over Assad and went with Iran instead things would be a shitload better.

ohh thats hilarious.

the iranians are the good guys, cuz they run hezbollah instead of hamas, two groups which do the same shit, for the same reasons, with the same brutality, but each claims theyre on the side of allah while the other guys are apostates.

it's the definition of Difference Without Distinction

 

[earnest_voice]

ohh thats hilarious.

the iranians are the good guys, cuz they run hezbollah instead of hamas, two groups which do the same shit, for the same reasons, with the same brutality, but each claims theyre on the side of allah while the other guys are apostates.

it's the definition of Difference Without Distinction

Why shouldn't the US get Iran on side? Because of this douche?

On the other hand supporting sunni wahhabists has turned out brilliantly...

 

[fr3d12]

America will support Israel for as long as they need it and as long as the American public swallows the drivel from your pro-Israeli media. The same media has Americans believe Islamic attacks on America are because they hate freedom but in reality it's because of the continuing collaboration with Israel, why hasn't Canada been attacked, their culture and freedoms are almost identical to those of the US.
Helen Thomas was not far wrong when she said, "Congress, the White House, Hollywood and Wall Street are owned by Zionists" and who knows, maybe the great Statesman, war criminal and Nobel peace prize winner Henry Kissinger may be proved right when he said Israel will not exist in 2022.
Perhaps Russia is making room in the Ukraine for the complete evacuation of Israel.

 

[NLXSK1]

America will support Israel for as long as they need it and as long as the American public swallows the drivel from your pro-Israeli media. The same media has Americans believe Islamic attacks on America are because they hate freedom but in reality it's because of the continuing collaboration with Israel, why hasn't Canada been attacked, their culture and freedoms are almost identical to those of the US.
Helen Thomas was not far wrong when she said, "Congress, the White House, Hollywood and Wall Street are owned by Zionists" and who knows, maybe the great Statesman, war criminal and Nobel peace prize winner Henry Kissinger may be proved right when he said Israel will not exist in 2022.
Perhaps Russia is making room in the Ukraine for the complete evacuation of Israel.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/16/irans-anti-canada-rhetoric-has-officials-on-guard-for-possible-ottawa-area-terror-attacks/

 

[Dr Kynes]

Why shouldn't the US get Iran on side? Because of this douche?



On the other hand supporting sunni wahhabists has turned out brilliantly...

because iran's stated position is "The US is the Great Satan" and we must be destroyed, along with israel, and then, the west of the civilized world.

only a fool makes a deal with lunatics, and while the iranians have a hard-on for destroying the wahhabists, The Enemy Of My Enemy Is Still My Enemy.

your thinly veiled implication that all sunnis are wahhabists or extremists is pretty facile.

the house of suad has taken the official position that wahhabis are threats to their government, and the wahhabis have agreed. this would all be much more convincing if the wahhabis actually attacked saudi interests, and if the saudi govt were to stop publishing and distributing wahhabist literature, but their words are sufficient to satisfy the idiots in washington.

opposition to the iranians does NOT equate to friendliness with the saudis, since as previously stated, The Enemy Of My Enemy Is Still My Enemy.

unfortunately our glorious leaders are not that smart, so they seem to believe the saudi official line, for some reason.

this gullibility is not exclusive to Boo0oo0oo0oosh, but extends to Barry Seotoro, who has demonstrated great reverence and considerable deference to these pigs in khaftans

 

[Dr Kynes]

America will support Israel for as long as they need it and as long as the American public swallows the drivel from your pro-Israeli media. The same media has Americans believe Islamic attacks on America are because they hate freedom but in reality it's because of the continuing collaboration with Israel, why hasn't Canada been attacked, their culture and freedoms are almost identical to those of the US.
Helen Thomas was not far wrong when she said, "Congress, the White House, Hollywood and Wall Street are owned by Zionists" and who knows, maybe the great Statesman, war criminal and Nobel peace prize winner Henry Kissinger may be proved right when he said Israel will not exist in 2022.
Perhaps Russia is making room in the Ukraine for the complete evacuation of Israel.

why have the phillipines been attacked so relentlessly for over 120 years?

the french vote against israel every chance they get, why are they attacked?

the germans not only vote against israel every fucking time, but readily support any tin pot dictator in sandland who wants a supergun, nuclear reactor, or a new palace built, plus they exterminated 4.8 million jews, why are the germans still attacked?

what did the buddhists in indonesia do to offend islam?

what did india do to anger the residents of sandland?

what did the US do in the 1790's to cause sandland to engage in rampant piracy, constant attacks, and murders?

what did vienna do in 1529 to cause islam to lay seige

what did spain do in 718 AD to trigger the invasion of the iberian peninusla?

your idiotic assumption that islam is a religion of peace is retarded.

islam is a political force, with a thin candy coating of fake religion, dedicated to building a world wide empire and the destruction of all non-moslem thought.
they dont even hide this shit, it's all out in the open.
being unaware of this fact is inexcusable.

 

[fr3d12]

why have the phillipines been attacked so relentlessly for over 120 years?

the french vote against israel every chance they get, why are they attacked?

the germans not only vote against israel every fucking time, but readily support any tin pot dictator in sandland who wants a supergun, nuclear reactor, or a new palace built, plus they exterminated 4.8 million jews, why are the germans still attacked?

what did the buddhists in indonesia do to offend islam?

what did india do to anger the residents of sandland?

what did the US do in the 1790's to cause sandland to engage in rampant piracy, constant attacks, and murders?

what did vienna do in 1529 to cause islam to lay seige

what did spain do in 718 AD to trigger the invasion of the iberian peninusla?

your idiotic assumption that islam is a religion of peace is retarded.

islam is a political force, with a thin candy coating of fake religion, dedicated to building a world wide empire and the destruction of all non-moslem thought.
they dont even hide this shit, it's all out in the open.
being unaware of this fact is inexcusable.

Like every other Israeli apologist you interpret my criticism of Israel as support for Islam, that could not be further from the truth.
Anyone with an ounce of moral sense should be outraged that 469 children have died in Palestine, unlike Israel they did not choose to live where they are . It's plain to see that the most fervent anti-Semites on this planet are Jewish and their biggest supporter is the US.
Judaism is a political force, with a thin candy coating of fake religion, see how easily interchangeable things can be and still represent fact.
You could ask what did the non-Christian Indians do to the Christian Americans to deserve being almost wiped out?, You could also ask what did the Jews,Muslims and heretics do to the Catholics during the Inquisition?, What did the Catholics in Ireland do to English Protestants that resulted in 800 years of occupation?, Your examples above don't accurately represent the religious hatred that occured across the divide throughout history, religious nut jobs have been knocking the shit out of one another for centuries, it has sweet FA to do with modern policies and relationships and very little to do with the objectives of these ever evolving radicals.
I didn't say Islam was peaceful, I have no time for any organised religious non-sense and ISIS or whatever they call themselves should be annihilated if for no reason than that are worthless to humanity, if they want to live in the 6th century let them do it in heaven but it doesn't change the fact that your country gives a hell of a lot of money directly or indirectly to Israel who incidentally were one of the few countries to come through the financial crisis unscathed but it still must be nice for them to know there's a steady stream of freshly minted US Dollars piling up for a rainy day.
Speaking of religious fanatics, do you guys still have to put those little "Evolution is only a theory" stickers on your kids school books?

 

[Dr Kynes]

Like every other Israeli apologist you interpret my criticism of Israel as support for Islam, that could not be further from the truth.
Anyone with an ounce of moral sense should be outraged that 469 children have died in Palestine, unlike Israel they did not choose to live where they are . It's plain to see that the most fervent anti-Semites on this planet are Jewish and their biggest supporter is the US.
Judaism is a political force, with a thin candy coating of fake religion, see how easily interchangeable things can be and still represent fact.
You could ask what did the non-Christian Indians do to the Christian Americans to deserve being almost wiped out?, You could also ask what did the Jews,Muslims and heretics do to the Catholics during the Inquisition?, What did the Catholics in Ireland do to English Protestants that resulted in 800 years of occupation?, Your examples above don't accurately represent the religious hatred that occured across the divide throughout history, religious nut jobs have been knocking the shit out of one another for centuries, it has sweet FA to do with modern policies and relationships and very little to do with the objectives of these ever evolving radicals.
I didn't say Islam was peaceful, I have no time for any organised religious non-sense and ISIS or whatever they call themselves should be annihilated if for no reason than that are worthless to humanity, if they want to live in the 6th century let them do it in heaven but it doesn't change the fact that your country gives a hell of a lot of money directly or indirectly to Israel who incidentally were one of the few countries to come through the financial crisis unscathed but it still must be nice for them to know there's a steady stream of freshly minted US Dollars piling up for a rainy day.
Speaking of religious fanatics, do you guys still have to put those little "Evolution is only a theory" stickers on your kids school books?

so, lost in that nonsensical screed, which was just a weak and confused restatement of my argument using the classic "I Know You Are Burt What Am I?" retort, you made clear that you dont believe your own claim that the US and isarel are "Askin for it" for opposing moslem hegemony.

it is clear to EVERYONE (even you) that moslem "religion" is just a cover story to conceal their extremists' aggression and dreams of empire.
it is likewise equally clear to everyone (yourself included) that you don have to actually do anything to earn the ire of moslem extremists, simply being non-moslem is sufficient cause for their aggression.

therefore, what solution do you propose?
continued appeasement will avail you naught, since the extremists dont give a rats ass what you do, unless you convert to their precise brand of crazy and join the jihad
hating the jews as much as they do doesnt help, since unless you become one of them, youre still almost as bad as any jew
resistance is clearly futile, since they are so strong brave and mighty, and we are weak, ineffectual and doomed to disappear, thus sayeth their glorious prophet.

so i guess the only solution is that we must all convert, and become jihadjis, any other course of action merely offends their religious beliefs, further enraging them, and justifying even more atrocities.

enjoy your new religion.

 

[NLXSK1]

so, lost in that nonsensical screed, which was just a weak and confused restatement of my argument using the classic "I Know You Are Burt What Am I?" retort, you made clear that you dont believe your own claim that the US and isarel are "Askin for it" for opposing moslem hegemony.

it is clear to EVERYONE (even you) that moslem "religion" is just a cover story to conceal their extremists' aggression and dreams of empire.
it is likewise equally clear to everyone (yourself included) that you don have to actually do anything to earn the ire of moslem extremists, simply being non-moslem is sufficient cause for their aggression.

therefore, what solution do you propose?
continued appeasement will avail you naught, since the extremists dont give a rats ass what you do, unless you convert to their precise brand of crazy and join the jihad
hating the jews as much as they do doesnt help, since unless you become one of them, youre still almost as bad as any jew
resistance is clearly futile, since they are so strong brave and mighty, and we are weak, ineffectual and doomed to disappear, thus sayeth their glorious prophet.

so i guess the only solution is that we must all convert, and become jihadjis, any other course of action merely offends their religious beliefs, further enraging them, and justifying even more atrocities.

enjoy your new religion.

You forgot that once they kill all non-believers the sects will descend upon each other with the same enthusiasm...

 

[UncleBuck]

it is clear to EVERYONE (even you) that christian "religion" is just a cover story to conceal their extremists' aggression and dreams of empire.
it is likewise equally clear to everyone (yourself included) that you don have to actually do anything to earn the ire of christian extremists, simply being non-christian is sufficient cause for their aggression.

i guess you just like to forget history when it's convenient.

thanks, "european cultural superiority".

no dreams of empire there.

 

[Dr Kynes]

i guess you just like to forget history when it's convenient.


thanks, "european cultural superiority".

no dreams of empire there.

put your wifes money where your mouth is, buy some land and give it to the nearest native american tribal group, or prove youre a hypocrite.

 

[UncleBuck]

put your wifes money where your mouth is, buy some land and give it to the nearest native american tribal group, or prove youre a hypocrite.

i'm not the one crying and wailing about muslim aggression while conveniently overlooking the colonialism, empire building, oppression, subjugation, slavery, genocide, relocation, removal, and holocaust courtesy of "european cultural superiority", retard.

 

[Dr Kynes]

i'm not the one crying and wailing about muslim aggression while conveniently overlooking the colonialism, empire building, oppression, subjugation, slavery, genocide, relocation, removal, and holocaust courtesy of "european cultural superiority", retard.

cuz what some people did hundreds of years ago excuses current actions by barbaric sandlandians.

 

[UncleBuck]

cuz what some people did hundreds of years ago excuses current actions by barbaric sandlandians.

hundreds of years ago?

the holocaust was pretty recent.

we're still in violation of countless treaties with the native americans.

the arbitrary lines that those superior europeans drew are still fucking things up to this day.

like i said, you rail against muslims while completely and totally overlooking the horrors generated by all that "european cultural superiority" you love so much.

 

[fr3d12]

so, lost in that nonsensical screed, which was just a weak and confused restatement of my argument using the classic "I Know You Are Burt What Am I?" retort, you made clear that you dont believe your own claim that the US and isarel are "Askin for it" for opposing moslem hegemony.

it is clear to EVERYONE (even you) that moslem "religion" is just a cover story to conceal their extremists' aggression and dreams of empire.
it is likewise equally clear to everyone (yourself included) that you don have to actually do anything to earn the ire of moslem extremists, simply being non-moslem is sufficient cause for their aggression.

therefore, what solution do you propose?
continued appeasement will avail you naught, since the extremists dont give a rats ass what you do, unless you convert to their precise brand of crazy and join the jihad
hating the jews as much as they do doesnt help, since unless you become one of them, youre still almost as bad as any jew
resistance is clearly futile, since they are so strong brave and mighty, and we are weak, ineffectual and doomed to disappear, thus sayeth their glorious prophet.

so i guess the only solution is that we must all convert, and become jihadjis, any other course of action merely offends their religious beliefs, further enraging them, and justifying even more atrocities.

enjoy your new religion.

Again there's a difference between criticising Israel and it's policies and hating Jews but you just want to label everybody that doesn't agree with everything you say.
You may be a little more articulate than the average internet idiot but there's still no mistaking the fact you are as dumb as a bag of rocks.
I know I won't be converting to any religion anytime soon but shame we can't say the same about many of your fellow countrymen once the ISIS internet propaganda machine cranks up a gear or two,this will be a potential problem for many countries , I have no problem admitting that I don't trust the Muslims living here, or more accurately how they will react to future events, already 30 "citizens" have departed for Syria and Iraq yet when there was calls today to revoke citizenship a Muslim group leader was on the news saying that when they return they should be re-educated.
I also don't trust Israel to do the right thing and with the state of the US govt. only incompetence and indecision is expected.
Henry didn't envisage the internet or it's power when he spoke of igniting the 100 year war, not as easy to keep them contained with Sunni Shi'ite sectarian infighting as he thought.

So I'm curious, as an American does it bother you at all that AIPAC who essentially work on behalf of another country has such a strong influence over your politicians and foreign policy?

 

[Dr Kynes]

So I'm curious, as an American does it bother you at all that AIPAC who essentially work on behalf of another country has such a strong influence over your politicians and foreign policy?

no it does not.

we also have lobbyists from the EU, arabia, canada, mexico, china, etc etc etc etc.

your lazerlike focus on Das Juden shows more about what youre really thinking than you believe.