Should the US support Israel forever ?

Should the US support Israel, no matter what?

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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Dr Kynes said:
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I condemn both sides, the Israeli government and Hamas, you condemn one side, and not even the actual terrorists, Hamas, you blame the Palestinian civilians (women, kids, BIG MAN you are!) for "letting" Hamas set up weapons in populated areas (idiot).

Could you imagine if this line of reasoning worked for anyone else? If you blamed the Iraqi civilians for "letting" Al Qaeda set up weapons in populated areas after we bombed the living fuck out of the area indiscriminately and racked up a whopping 80% civilian casualty rate, the rest of the coalition forces would have immediately quit backing us and the war would have been over in less than a year. But when Israel does it, it's OK..

If anyone is a warmongering racist, coward piece of shit, it's you buddy.. You don't have to directly admit it, your words paint a very clear picture of your unyielding hatred towards all things Islamic.
 
earnest_voice

earnest_voice

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Dr Kynes said:
wait, W Bush was a dual citizen?

REALLY????

prove it dipshit.

i didnt vote for those other clowns, i voted for BUSH.

i didnt vote for Henry Kissinger either, but that didnt stop him form peddling his claptrap in the whitehouse for nearly 50 years

i voted for Clinton in his first run too, does that mean i voted for Canadian Dual Citizen Madeline Albright?

youre an idiot if you think that lame ass bullshit somehow places me in "intellectual checkmate"

Edit: funny how all the people you mentioned are DAS JUDEN!! while you ignore many other persons like Samantha Power (irish and american) Kissinger (german and american) Marco Rubio (cuban and american) etc etc etc
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I never said bush was dual nation Cletus. You voted for the Neo-Con Cabal - the PNAC fuckwits that are obsessed with war and money. Bush' pre election interviews stated as such. IRAQ - IRAQ - IRAQ - DADDY - IRAQ

To quote you "DAS JUDEN" dual nationals rooting for war with muslims countries should set any normal persons bullshit meter going. Not you though, your e-peen pricks up and your ears fall flaccidly to ground like a bloodhounds...

Stupid is a stupid does.
 
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fr3d12

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Dr Kynes said:
right there in your first line:

"I would assume that anybody with the ability of free thinking and a little bit of moral courage would roundly condemn the indiscriminate bombing of little children regardless of what religions their parents follow, clearly you are not capable of the former and possess none of the latter." ~you, just now

the "bombing" in gaza is NOT indiscriminate. the israelis have been busting their asses to minimize actual civilian casualties, as they have since the occupation began, but hamas and hezzbollah put their military emplacements as close as possible to civilians, and often right in their midst.

anyone with a brain in their heads would realize this is not an accident, but rather a calculated plot to generate exactly the kind of casualties they are decrying in the world press.

even the US was not as gentle when taking fire from insurgents in afghanistan or iraq.

just ask dresden about civilian casualties in a war when military operations are deliberately placed in population centers.

now go read some facts, thnk about some shit, and when you have an idea in youre head, come back and try that new shit out.
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So explain to me how the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq can be compared to what is happening in Gaza, the Afghani civilians could leave their villages and run to the mountains, where can the Palestinians go?
What has WW2 got to do with anything, the Germans were highly militarized and had an army, navy and air force, the fight was a lot more even.
Have you forgotten they live in a walled ghetto , ironic but still a fact.
The bombs flying into Gaza may be smart but the bombing is still indiscriminate, killing 20-30 Palestinian civilians to get 1 or 2 Hamas terrorists is not justifiable, bombing children playing soccer on a beach cannot be called collateral damage, surely military technology can help differentiate between adults with weapons and children with a ball, seems not though.
I agree with you on the Hamas tactics but Israel has tactics of it's own, they impose harsh sanctions and operate their own brand of apartheid so as to provoke, then they say see what we have to put up with, we are a peaceful nation, they make us do it.
The eternal victim routine is kinda wearing thin at this stage.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Padawanbater2 said:
I condemn both sides, the Israeli government and Hamas, you condemn one side, and not even the actual terrorists, Hamas, you blame the Palestinian civilians (women, kids, BIG MAN you are!) for "letting" Hamas set up weapons in populated areas (idiot).

Could you imagine if this line of reasoning worked for anyone else? If you blamed the Iraqi civilians for "letting" Al Qaeda set up weapons in populated areas after we bombed the living fuck out of the area indiscriminately and racked up a whopping 80% civilian casualty rate, the rest of the coalition forces would have immediately quit backing us and the war would have been over in less than a year. But when Israel does it, it's OK..

If anyone is a warmongering racist, coward piece of shit, it's you buddy.. You don't have to directly admit it, your words paint a very clear picture of your unyielding hatred towards all things Islamic.
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ohh?? you gonna challenge me to a fight too big boy?

you gonna go all internet toughguy and declare how super tough you are?

you bore me with your endless nonsense.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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fr3d12 said:
So explain to me how the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq can be compared to what is happening in Gaza, the Afghani civilians could leave their villages and run to the mountains, where can the Palestinians go?
What has WW2 got to do with anything, the Germans were highly militarized and had an army, navy and air force, the fight was a lot more even.
Have you forgotten they live in a walled ghetto , ironic but still a fact.
The bombs flying into Gaza may be smart but the bombing is still indiscriminate, killing 20-30 Palestinian civilians to get 1 or 2 Hamas terrorists is not justifiable, bombing children playing soccer on a beach cannot be called collateral damage, surely military technology can help differentiate between adults with weapons and children with a ball, seems not though.
I agree with you on the Hamas tactics but Israel has tactics of it's own, they impose harsh sanctions and operate their own brand of apartheid so as to provoke, then they say see what we have to put up with, we are a peaceful nation, they make us do it.
The eternal victim routine is kinda wearing thin at this stage.
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hmm lemmee see...

they could run into the west bank, they could go to shelters where hamas is NOT setting up rockets, or ideally, the fucking palestinian authority could perform their fucking job and put hamas and hezzbollah in the fucking ground where they belong, but, as everyone with an ounce of sense knows, the palestinian authority IS hamas and hezzbollah

i really dont give a shit if the pallies want to vote for fatah, hamas and hezzbollah. making them their "legitimate leaders" and as a result they get blown up.

the pallies chose their leaders, and now must suffer for that foolishness just as germany did, just as iraq did, and just as afghanistan did.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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earnest_voice said:
I never said bush was dual nation Cletus. You voted for the Neo-Con Cabal - the PNAC fuckwits that are obsessed with war and money. Bush' pre election interviews stated as such. IRAQ - IRAQ - IRAQ - DADDY - IRAQ

To quote you "DAS JUDEN" dual nationals rooting for war with muslims countries should set any normal persons bullshit meter going. Not you though, your e-peen pricks up and your ears fall flaccidly to ground like a bloodhounds...

Stupid is a stupid does.
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i voted for bush cuz his opponent was a dipshit.

i voted for bush again, because as usual, his opponent was a dipshit

i voted for mccain because his opponent was a dipshit

i voted for gary johnson because his ALL his opponents were dipshits

i dotn feel the need to count up how many JEWS are in orbit around a candidate, or how much influence JEWS might have on his opinions, or how many JEWS might be in his cabinet, but apparently thats what really matters to you.

and yes, you ARE an anti-semite, ive said it before and it remains as true as ever.
 
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fr3d12

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Dr Kynes said:
hmm lemmee see...

they could run into the west bank, they could go to shelters where hamas is NOT setting up rockets, or ideally, the fucking palestinian authority could perform their fucking job and pout hamas and hezzbollah in the fucking ground where they belong, but, as everyone with an ounce of sense knows, the palestinian authority IS hamas and hezzbollah

i really dont give a shit if the pallies want to vote for fatah, hamas and hezzbollah. making them their "legitimate leaders" and as a result they get blown up.

the pallies chose their leaders, and now must suffer for that foolishness just as germany did, just as iraq did, and just as afghanistan did.
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On that logic Americans who voted for Bush deserved 9/11, you are saying people who vote in bad leaders deserve everything they get?
 
earnest_voice

earnest_voice

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Dr Kynes said:
hmm lemmee see...

they could run into the west bank, they could go to shelters where hamas is NOT setting up rockets, or ideally, the fucking palestinian authority could perform their fucking job and put hamas and hezzbollah in the fucking ground where they belong, but, as everyone with an ounce of sense knows, the palestinian authority IS hamas and hezzbollah

i really dont give a shit if the pallies want to vote for fatah, hamas and hezzbollah. making them their "legitimate leaders" and as a result they get blown up.

the pallies chose their leaders, and now must suffer for that foolishness just as germany did, just as iraq did, and just as afghanistan did.
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Here are some more "legitimate leaders"...



Responsible for Deir Yasin Massacre. Also awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.



without Deir Yasin there would be no Israel.



Damn Terrorists... Legitimizing their leaders...
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Isn't it interesting, he's the one applauding an 80% civilian casualty rate while calling us anti-semites

I guess if Hamas had an 80% civilian casualty rate and we supported it, he might have an argument...

Funny thing... I condemn Hamas' actions.

So lets recap:

Israel: 64 soldiers killed, 4 civilians killed (6.2%), 80 civilians wounded

Gaza: 417 Hamas members killed, 1,666 civilians killed (80%), 10,482 civilians wounded

Women & kids..

Israel has bombed 2 different known UN refugee camps, so his argument of where they should go for safety is straight up bullshit. There is nowhere in Gaza to go for safety, and the places designated as safe are bombed by IDF, on purpose, even after the UN gives Israel the coordinates of the refugee camps dozens of times.

Kynes believes Israel is being "too soft".

Anyone who reads those numbers and still supports Israel is an immoral monster.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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fr3d12 said:
On that logic Americans who voted for Bush deserved 9/11, you are saying people who vote in bad leaders deserve everything they get?
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al quaeda's platform is only tangentially related to israel, their stated aim is to END ALL NON-MOSLEM THOUGHT and force the world into their fucked up ideology.

as the worlds most powerful nation, america is a target, and always will be.

it doesnt matter what excuses and rationalizations they trot out, the core of their hatred is always the same, Non-Moslems must either become moslems or die.

bin laden was funded by the us, trained by the us, and supported by the us when he was figthing against the soviets, and once that immediate threat was removed, bin laden turned his eyes to the REAL problem in the world, which was of course, america.

pretending that his ideology was somehow driven by american policy in asia minor is retarded, since he was more than willing to accept american interference in asia minor when it suited his goals.

do try to be less facile.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Fungus Gnat said:
Has Israel tried smallpox infected blankets to deal with indigenous inhabitants? It worked for us.
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that is a myth.

a pure fabrication, which ascribes sophisticated knowledge of disease to the US cavalry long before anyone even knew smallpox was a viral disease.

the virus does not survive outside a living host long enough to infect anyone unless they came right off a carrier through close proximity.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Dr Kynes said:
al quaeda's platform is only tangentially related to israel, their stated aim is to END ALL NON-MOSLEM THOUGHT and force the world into their fucked up ideology.

as the worlds most powerful nation, america is a target, and always will be.

it doesnt matter what excuses and rationalizations they trot out, the core of their hatred is always the same, Non-Moslems must either become moslems or die.

bin laden was funded by the us, trained by the us, and supported by the us when he was figthing against the soviets, and once that immediate threat was removed, bin laden turned his eyes to the REAL problem in the world, which was of course, america.

pretending that his ideology was somehow driven by american policy in asia minor is retarded, since he was more than willing to accept american interference in asia minor when it suited his goals.

do try to be less facile.
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"1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,

3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:

5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

-Deuteronomy 17
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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earnest_voice said:
Sideshow bob is you personified. A windbag in love with his own voice who is but a fuck up.

You mad again bro?

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cant make a reasonable argument?
create a new narrative based on some arbitrary assumption, then endlessly repeat it.

you are even less effective than bucklefuckle.
 
earnest_voice

earnest_voice

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Dr Kynes said:
create a new narrative based on some arbitrary assumption, then endlessly repeat it.
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Israel is not committing war crimes 'coz the Pallie population has increased.

Judaism has no end time prophecy.

You are an anti semite.

White European Superiority.

Israel is part of Europe.

BTW, do you even have European blood in you? Because you know nothing of what you speak.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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earnest_voice said:
Israel is not committing war crimes Factual. demonstrated by the lack of any convictions for war crimes.

'coz the Pallie population has increased. Factual. it's hard to claim "genocide" when your population is increasing faster than any other on the planet.

Judaism has no end time prophecy. Factual. judaism has no apocalyptic doomsday scenario, they do have a utopian fantasy at the end of the rainbow, but no "armageddon"

You are an anti semite. Factual. you have demonstrated your hate for Das Juden over and over.

White European Superiority. Bullshit. i never claimed that, but rather, the obvious and undeniable superiority of european culture which is plain to all. if you doubt it, point out something better.

Israel is part of Europe. Bullshit. i never claimed that, but in fact israel is modeled on european societies, not sandland's aboriginal theocracies

BTW, do you even have European blood in you? Because you know nothing of what you speak.
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if i were a native american, or a negro, or an asian, or a persian, or a chicano would my statements be less true?
of course they would, because you are in fact one of the few actual racists in this forum.

bucklefuckle would have made his specious arguments and bullshit claims less transparent.

maybe you should observe him more, to get some pointers.
 
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