IRON-EYES
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White House Response to The New York Times Editorial Board's Call for Federal Marijuana Legalization
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Dr Kynes
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that is the MEDICAL definition.
the definition used by physicians.
the "broadly" addendum is the common parlance, NOT the medical definition.
under the lame-brained popular definition of addiction, people who cant stop watching "jersey shore" should be rounded up and forced into rehab, and i think that might be a good idea, but it still isnt clinical addiction.
if you want to listen to a "national health service" for your information on cannabis's addictive properties, feel free.
youll be dead ass wrong, sadly misinformed, and duped by propaganda, but you go right ahead.
UncleBuck
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nope.
you gave a definition from merriam-webster.
physicians use the ICD-10.
mental health professionals use the DSM-V.
the word "addiction" is listed nowhere in the diagnostic criteria.
go check for yourself.
Dr Kynes
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anyone with have a brain can see that the definition provided is from the merriam webster MEDICAL DICTIONARY.
the ICD-10 is a world health organization document
it is NOT a medical dictionary, it does NOT explain it's terms or their use, and it is, like all UN documents, a POLITICAL tool. '
and contrary to your claims, it DOES have a lot of shit to say about "addiction" (both real and imaginary) and even the "alcoholism" which you previously insisted was a "made up word"
http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2010/en#/F10.2
icd-10 is an elaborate excel spreadsheet which can only be used to classify "diseases" and group them together for epidemiologic statistical studies, not a diagnostic or treatment tool.
you really are batting 0.0000001
UncleBuck
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lol.
i'm sure doctors are walking around with a copy of that.
not a diagnostic or treatment tool, eh?
http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/terminology/ICD10ClinicalDiagnosis.pdf
Diagnostic guidelines
A definite diagnosis of dependence should usually be made only if three or more of
the following have been present together at some time during the previous year:
(a) a strong desire or sense of compulsion to take the substance;
(b) difficulties in controlling substance-taking behaviour in terms of its onset,
termination, or levels of use;
(c) a physiological withdrawal state (see F1x.3 and F1x.4) when substance use has
ceased or been reduced, as evidenced by: the characteristic withdrawal syndrome
for the substance; or use of the same (or a closely related) substance with the
intention of relieving or avoiding withdrawal symptoms;
(d) evidence of tolerance, such that increased doses of the psychoactive substances
are required in order to achieve effects originally produced by lower doses (clear
examples of this are found in alcohol- and opiate-dependent individuals who may
take daily doses sufficient to incapacitate or kill nontolerant users);
(e) progressive neglect of alternative pleasures or interests because of psychoactive
substance use, increased amount of time necessary to obtain or take the substance
or to recover from its effects;
(f) persisting with substance use despite clear evidence of overtly harmful
consequences, such as harm to the liver through excessive drinking, depressive
mood states consequent to periods of heavy substance use, or drug-related
impairment of cognitive functioning; efforts should be made to determine that the
user was actually, or could be expected to be, aware of the nature and extent of
the harm.
guess it's just another UN flim flam conspiracy, eh?
you are a douche.
Dr Kynes
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it is for EPIDEMIOLOGY (statistics) NOT diagnosis or treatment of diseases.
it is clearly explained in the document itself.
it has no function outside statistical analysis of diseases in a population.
ask any doctor about his library and youll get some surprises.
every physician will have some medical dictionary or other, and the Merriam Webster Medical Dictionary is extremely common.
they will also all have an anatomy volume as well, with "Gray's Anatomy" being the most common. i have a copy of that myself. (not the shitty soap opera)
tomes on drug interactions, Check.
volumes on diseases of the sort they specialize in: Check
various journals: Check
subscriptions to medical journal websites: Check
a copy of the WHO's excel spreadsheet "ICD-10": Nope.
youre fucking silly.
NLXSK1
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He tried to tell me how to be a home inspector previously and got shut down just as completely.
WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDED RELATIVE HUMIDITY OF A HOUSE UNCLE BUCKY??? Dipshit...
Dr Kynes
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huh? every region's humidity is different.
acceptable indoor humidity in south florida would he a sign of a serious problem, like a burst water pipe in the wall in the calif central valley, and the low humidity found in Barstow would be a sure sign of a problem like a malfunctioning AC condenser in Tuscaloosa Mississippi.
to my knowledge there is no set humidity standard for a house.
much as i hate to defend bucky, nobody could answer that question without knowing the ambient humidity in the region at question, and the individual regulations of a particular community.
UncleBuck
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then why do they have diagnostic criteria?
whatever you do, don't ruin your delusion by googling "october 1st 2015 ICD-10".
it'll be worse than the time when you tried to make a virtue out of not knowing how to do 10 raised to the second.
UncleBuck
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you're the one who claimed to be a home inspector but did not know what a proper humidity level for a residence would be.
ginwilly
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Insurance purposes, regulations and reimbursement. You bringing up ICD10 gives me a reason to think you already knew that.
UncleBuck
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why do their diagnostic criteria almost mirror the DSM-V's criteria exactly?
ginwilly
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Standardization and consistency across the board for reimbursement and government aide.
NLXSK1
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Would you enlighten us on the proper humidity level for a residence??
When you figure out there isnt one I will accept your apology...
UncleBuck
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so 85% humidity is acceptable?
is 5% humidity ideal?
why do charts like these exist?
seems like something a home inspector would know, since i know it just as someone who lives in a home.
UncleBuck
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so the diagnostic criteria in the ICD-10 mirrors the diagnostic criteria in the diagnostic and statistic manual of mental disorders. that much is established.
so do you agree with kynes that the ICD-10 is not for the diagnosis of diseases?
NLXSK1
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so 85% humidity is acceptable?
is 5% humidity ideal?
why do charts like these exist?
seems like something a home inspector would know, since i know it just as someone who lives in a home.
You live in a grow room with overflowing cat piss boxes...
I ask you about proper humidity level and you give me a range of 1/3 of the scale??? LOL!!! Bravo genius....
Pro-tip... In Phoenix we are not worried about humidity levels...
I made a couple hundred bucks today off of my opinion... how many beers have you killed already? Gotta have goals!!
ginwilly
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I don't think you are stating this the way you want because no, ICD10 is NOT for diagnosis, it's for coding. Doctor's diagnose, coders and billers rely on ICD10. If a dr gave a diagnosis of borderline social retardation, it's up to the billing department to match the code with the diagnosis. If the doctor happens to know the code, it makes it easier, but it's not mandatory. The code is mandatory to receive reimbursement, the diagnosis means nothing to an insurance company without it.
ICD-10 codes also reflect the treatments I may give as far as therapeutic exercise or electical stimulation, neither of those are diagnosis, but both require the ICD9 code (presently) for me to get my monies. I check the ther ex and e-stim box, the coder reads my notes and applies the correct code.
UncleBuck
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kelly4 and i had a couple beers while talking about what an idiot you are today. so 2.
UncleBuck
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then why the diagnostic criteria that matches the diagnostic criteria in the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders if not for diagnosis?
just sleight of hand? is it to throw us off the trail of agenda 21, the latest sandra fluke conspiracy, or those gay bullies who want to bully cake makers by giving them money to bake cakes?
you tell me.